I read in the official edh website that the any color mana producers would produce colorless mana in a deck other then a 5 color deck. Is everyone aware of this? I know I wasn't. For instance a darksteel ingot in a 1,2,3 or 4 color deck would produce colorless mana, it would only produce any color in a 5 color deck. This is correct, right ? Would this hold true for city of brass and the many any color lands as well ?
A deck may not generate mana outside its colors; anything which would generate mana of an illegal color generates colorless mana instead.
From the deck threads I've read I think some of us have been playing them as the decks colors or is that an unfair assumption on my part? Both my current decks are all 5 colors so I would have been ok, however I'm in the process of making a u,b,w and was going to use darksteel ingot , coalition relic , spectral searchlight in the deck. That will probably change to signets or obelisks now.
It will let you produce any color, which in a sense says: add one W,U,B,R or G mana to your mana pool. If your general is W and U then if you choose to produce something else it makes colorless, but if you choose W or U it still works.
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I think the confusion comes from the fact that you're reading "generate" as the ability to generate mana, whereas the intended use of the word in the context of that rule is the actual act of generating the mana. In other words, you can always tap your Darksteel Ingot for any color of mana, but if you choose to tap it for R or B in your Treva, the Renewer deck it'll instead produce 1 because red and black are illegal colors in that deck. However, tapping it for U, G, or W would give you U, G, or W, respectively, because those colors are legal in the Treva deck.
I see that, but have any of you read the rules forums in the official website.
What you're saying makes sense to me, however not sure if you are correct. I guess Sheldon Menery would be the person to ask.
Dude, you're making this a lot more complicated than it needs to be.
If you have a mana source (land, artifact, creature, whatever) that could produce "any color" of mana, but the general of the deck is less than 5 colors, the mana source can only produce the colors of that general. That's why, as others have said, you'll find Darksteel Ingot, Coalition Relic, Gilded Lotus and such in nearly every list out there.
You don't need to appeal to some ultimate authority to be assured you get a correct answer to your question. Maybe you should just take the word of the numerous people on this forum that have been playing EDH for years. Keep in mind too, we do have a rules/faq sticky up at the top......good place to ask questions, and it keeps the forum from getting flooded with 'how does this work' threads.
I see that, but have any of you read the rules forums in the official website.
What you're saying makes sense to me, however not sure if you are correct. I guess Sheldon Menery would be the person to ask.
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Seriously tho, the rules says, in layman's terms, if you, as the controller and a mana producing permanent or spell, would produce a color outside of your general's colors(i.e. Black mana, blue mana, red mana or green mana with Isamaru as your general), the source would produce colorless mana instead. Example, you play Izzet Signet and activate it in your GAA4 deck, the signet produces a blue and a colorless mana.
Does it need to be explained any clearer than that?
Seriously tho, the rules says, in layman's terms, if you, as the controller and a mana producing permanent or spell, would produce a color outside of your general's colors(i.e. Black mana, blue mana, red mana or green mana with Isamaru as your general), the source would produce colorless mana instead. Example, you play Izzet Signet and activate it in your GAA4 deck, the signet produces a blue and a colorless mana.
Does it need to be explained any clearer than that?
There's no reason to be condescending; he was just asking a question man.
As for your example, you can't play an Izzet Signet in a Grand Arbiter deck since the signet has a red mana symbol on it.
Do the rules have to be so vague? or clear as mud?
I think it's less about the rules being unclear and more about your understanding of them.
What you seem to think is that when you tap or produce a "mana of any color" that it's some type of prismatic mana that is all colors, when in the rules of Magic, you choose the color of the mana as it is produced.
Really, the rule just exists so that you can never have mana in your mana pool that's illegal to the deck. That's all. If a card can give you mana that's legal in your deck or mana that's illegal in your deck, it'll only give you colorless mana if you try to get illegal mana from it. The only cards that can give you mana of any color that would only be legal in a 5-color deck would be ones that actually say on the card "add G, R, W, B, or U to your mana pool" because those contain the actual symbols (in whatever the correct order should be).
Hey I got it, it,s only illegal if it has a mana symbol not of your general. So like you can use city of brass and grand coliseum to tap for your colors and the artifact mana too as long as the mana symbols aren't on it ! See how easy it is when explained properly!.............lol
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ur skiping a step
1.) You Tap
2.) U select a Color
2.) It generates it
it says "would generate", which would be inbetween step 2 and 3. If you havent selected a color yet, then it cant be at "Would" generate yet.
sorry if thats a weird way to explain it, hope u understand what I mean.
This.
Ingot and Relic wouldn't be used at all if they only mana relevant mana in 5c builds.
Yet they appear in almost every deck.
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What you're saying makes sense to me, however not sure if you are correct. I guess Sheldon Menery would be the person to ask.
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Dude, you're making this a lot more complicated than it needs to be.
If you have a mana source (land, artifact, creature, whatever) that could produce "any color" of mana, but the general of the deck is less than 5 colors, the mana source can only produce the colors of that general. That's why, as others have said, you'll find Darksteel Ingot, Coalition Relic, Gilded Lotus and such in nearly every list out there.
You don't need to appeal to some ultimate authority to be assured you get a correct answer to your question. Maybe you should just take the word of the numerous people on this forum that have been playing EDH for years. Keep in mind too, we do have a rules/faq sticky up at the top......good place to ask questions, and it keeps the forum from getting flooded with 'how does this work' threads.
And the winner for N00b of the Year is...
Seriously tho, the rules says, in layman's terms, if you, as the controller and a mana producing permanent or spell, would produce a color outside of your general's colors(i.e. Black mana, blue mana, red mana or green mana with Isamaru as your general), the source would produce colorless mana instead. Example, you play Izzet Signet and activate it in your GAA4 deck, the signet produces a blue and a colorless mana.
Does it need to be explained any clearer than that?
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There's no reason to be condescending; he was just asking a question man.
As for your example, you can't play an Izzet Signet in a Grand Arbiter deck since the signet has a red mana symbol on it.
I think it's less about the rules being unclear and more about your understanding of them.
What you seem to think is that when you tap or produce a "mana of any color" that it's some type of prismatic mana that is all colors, when in the rules of Magic, you choose the color of the mana as it is produced.
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