MTG Salvation

Alright - so I'm not too sure what strategy I want to go with. Right now, just based on the cards that I have I'm leaning towards more of just a beatdown / some sac outlets and making Kresh huge for a one shot kill. This is the pile I'm working with right now. I think I need to cut 11 cards or so.


Any easy looking cuts? I'm sure there are a lot of things that shouldn't be in there - as well as a lot of cards I'm missing that would be perfect. Please let me know what you think. Thanks!

I may convert this into a more token oriented deck once I build a Stonebrow deck so that I don't have 2 similar beatdown decks. In that case - anyone have a link to a good Kresh token list?

Well, as you say, there's plenty of room for improvement in card selection, but for now, the cuts I'd recommend are:

Drumhunter (slow, unlikely to trigger)
Prowling Pangolin (at BEST, this is a vanilla 6/5 for 5)
Roughshod Mentor (get a terror-proof trample enabler)
Weatherseed Totem (terribly inefficient)
Demonspine Whip (Kresh will be huge without the help)
Ooze Garden (Worst sac outlet ever)
Greater Gargadon (In fact, I'm not sure why you need sac outlets at all)
Wreak Havoc (You're already playing better artifact and land destruction)
Mighty Emergence (insufficient creatures triggering it)
Shattering Spree (access to green? Play something that can hit enchantments too)
Recollect (since you have it listed twice)

More than anything else, I'd actually add even more ramp spells than you have, rather than cut them. They're half the reason to play green in edh - I like to play 36-37 land and 10 fixers, myself (heavy on the basic forest, naturally). As an added bonus, if you use creatures like Sakura Tribe Elder and Yavimaya Elder, they'll work with Kresh, too.

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Out of your ramp, you're missing the two best ones:
Kodama's Reach
Explosive Vegetation
Cards that give you one for one aren't good, so make sure you're getting more cards than you're using. Definitely take out search for tomorrow and Deep Reconnaissance. BTW, what are you getting with Crop Rotation? That's card disadvantage and there's nothing really amazing that you can fetch with it. If you need trample (i.e. Skarrg, the Rage Pits), try Rancor.
I prefer Coalition Relic to Ingot. Gilded Lotus is also an EDH must.
Eternal Witness>Regrowth>Recollect
Nantuko Husk could really make Kresh HUGE!
You made a comment about more basic lands, and I've found that basic lands are better than the fetch lands unless you have Sensi's Divining Top or some reason to shuffle. The Panorama's can definitely go.
Molten Disaster>Earthquake
I'm not a fan of Demonspine Whip or Mage Slayer... however Whip gets better if you have the self-sacrificing creatures like the Elders Maeloke mentioned.

Quote from Maeloke

Well, as you say, there's plenty of room for improvement in card selection, but for now, the cuts I'd recommend are:

Drumhunter (slow, unlikely to trigger)
Prowling Pangolin (at BEST, this is a vanilla 6/5 for 5)
Roughshod Mentor (get a terror-proof trample enabler)
Weatherseed Totem (terribly inefficient)
Demonspine Whip (Kresh will be huge without the help)
Ooze Garden (Worst sac outlet ever)
Greater Gargadon (In fact, I'm not sure why you need sac outlets at all)
Wreak Havoc (You're already playing better artifact and land destruction)
Mighty Emergence (insufficient creatures triggering it)
Shattering Spree (access to green? Play something that can hit enchantments too)
Recollect (since you have it listed twice)

More than anything else, I'd actually add even more ramp spells than you have, rather than cut them. They're half the reason to play green in edh - I like to play 36-37 land and 10 fixers, myself (heavy on the basic forest, naturally). As an added bonus, if you use creatures like Sakura Tribe Elder and Yavimaya Elder, they'll work with Kresh, too.

I strongly agree with using Sakura Tribe Elder and Yavimaya elder, they are practically staples in every deck i have green in for ramping.

However i think Greater Gargadon is fantastic in kresh, the more sac outlets the better. I run Gargadon in my Kresh/Sek'Kuar deck, and he's great.


I'd strongly recommend Genesis, Deadwood Treefolk and a few other recursion spells such as Beacon of Unrest, Zombify, Cauldron Dance (man i love this card), Dread Return.

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Out of your ramp, you're missing the two best ones:
Kodama's Reach
Explosive Vegetation
Cards that give you one for one aren't good, so make sure you're getting more cards than you're using. Definitely take out search for tomorrow and Deep Reconnaissance. BTW, what are you getting with Crop Rotation? That's card disadvantage and there's nothing really amazing that you can fetch with it. If you need trample (i.e. Skarrg, the Rage Pits), try Rancor.
I prefer Coalition Relic to Ingot. Gilded Lotus is also an EDH must.
Eternal Witness>Regrowth>Recollect
Nantuko Husk could really make Kresh HUGE!
You made a comment about more basic lands, and I've found that basic lands are better than the fetch lands unless you have Sensi's Divining Top or some reason to shuffle. The Panorama's can definitely go.
Molten Disaster>Earthquake
I'm not a fan of Demonspine Whip or Mage Slayer... however Whip gets better if you have the self-sacrificing creatures like the Elders Maeloke mentioned.

you may want to consider also things like Demonfire, Lavalanche, Molten Disaster

Oh and may want to consider Stonewood Invocation, if you aren't sure why, its because it basically tells anyone attempting to remove your 30/30 kresh by condeming it/swords to plowshares to shut up :-P and take 35.

I also think Mageblade is suitable if you swing big each time you attempt to wreak havoc.

Oh, before i forget.....toss a Attrition, Grave Pact, Oversold Cementary, and a Fatal Frenzy in there for consideration...

Skimming through, demonspine whip looks bad, as well as Prowling Pangolin. Mighty Emergence is also fairly bad.

All in all, i'd boost up the creature count quite a bit if your playing kresh.

you could also cut the second recollect and second savage twister your apparantly playing =p

Alright - thanks for the suggestions. I'm really having trouble with some of these cuts / changes. The idea that I am going with is:

1. Good Evokers
2. Big guys that do things when they hit the grave
3. Big guys that make tokens
4. Sac outlets and Reanimation

I've got a newer list and some cards that are either on their way to me or that I have and want to try and fit in.

Cards that I'd like to fit in:

• 1 Cauldron of Souls (Seems really good with all the sac effects and such... and protection from sweepers)
  
• 1 Bloodfire Colossus (Clears the board and makes Kresh huge)
  
• 1 Fecundity (Lots of creatures dying - lots of card draw)
  
• 1 Greater Good (Card draw - synergy with Kresh)
  
• 1 Savage Beating (Win with Kresh if he has trample)
  
• 1 Fatal Frenzy (Win with Kresh)
  
• 1 Reiterate (Probably replaces Wild Ricochet?)
  
• 1 Recoup (Maybe don't need this... but seems really good)
  
• 1 Hull Breach (Just good generally)
  
• 1 Necrogenesis (For GY hate and token generation)
  
• 1 Goblin Assault
  
• 1 Liliana Vess
  
• 1 Grave Pact (Yep)
  
• 1 Oversold Cemetery
  
• 1 Void
  
• 1 Whispersilk Cloak
  
• 1 Broodmate Dragon (This probably replaces Flameblast?)
  
• 1 Symbiotic Wurm (Replaces itself when sac'd)
  
• 1 Penumbra Wurm (Replaces itself when sac'd)
  
• 1 Ulasht, the Hate Seed (Tokens / utility)
  
• 1 Brawn
  
• 1 Anger
  
• 1 Worldly Tutor
  
• 1 Reprocess (With some Tokens - seems good)
  
• 1 Goblin Bombardment
  
• 1 Kodama's Reach
  
• 1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
  
• 1 Yavimaya Elder
  

That is a lot of cards... and I don't know really what I'd take out. Maybe some of the generally good cards for cards that fit the idea of the deck a bit better. Suggestions?