I use Sundial as I don't have Tireless Tracker, also don't have Lotus Cobra. I have a set of Primeval Titan but I use them in another deck. Any suggestions for this archetype are welcome!
It's okay, it's not amazeballs, but a few other options have me curious.
The Gitrog Monster, Omnath, Locus of Rage & Tatyova, Benthic Druid.
Gitrog looks like the stronger option here, given that this deck doesn't really ramp, so getting 5cmc seems more plausible, but I'm curious how it actually plays out. I'm thinking that Gitrog together with a small number of Ramunap Excavator would be the only real changes I would need to work with my current deck? So of these three options, which one's do you think are worth pursuing?
Every GSZ/Empath deck should be playing Bane of Progress no questions asked. Your other cards don't matter.
The cards that you listed are all fantastic. The only one that you missed was Titania, Protector of Argoth. She's stupid in the archetype. Ramunap Excavator is also a MUST. That card is utterly bonkers with Fetchlands and things like Krosan Verge.
Don't play things like Overwhelming Stampede that you can't tutor for with GSZ. Play Craterhoof or Kamahl, Fist of Krosa or w/e. If you can't tutor for it then it's worthless. If you can't afford any of the good ones don't bother with a bad one. It's not a reasonable substitute.
Bane of Progress has been in there in the past, and it's strong. It's currently in another deck but should come back.
Yeah I don't like the Sundial's either, just an option I own. I typically play against 3 to 6 opponents, so Compost is definitely an option. Both Gitrog & Tatyova supply draw and can be fetched with GSZ. Given I could easily include both of these creatures and only need to support them with a single Opulent Palace, I think it might be fun to test which I like more.
Stampede is a silly one, you're right, my Kamahl is in another deck, but I think this deck needs him more now I think about.
I don't own Craterhoof Behemoth ....but would love to.
How did Harvester of SOuls get in there? It wasn't even meant to be Soul of the Harvest either... puzzling?!
I think this was Sylvan Primordial or Genesis. I have some of my decks typed out in excel, I blame booze and late nights....
Second Sunrise could be an interesting option if you have multiple lands going to the graveyard on the same turn.
You may as well play World Shaper since GSZ can tutor for it and it's not timing-specific. Splendid Reclamation is also significantly more powerful but stick to the creature.
I'd like to fit Genesis in there, but I'm not certain I actually need it with Emeria Shepherd in there.
One card I've not played with before is Wayward Swordtooth. Looks very good, but I'm not sure I can fit it into the list, seems to be completing with Courser of Kruphix.
Disagree. It's a constant source of Landfall triggers (sac land, grab a fetch, sac fetch to grab another land, etc.) attached to a massive body for a low mana cost. I also nabs bullets like Bojuka Bog and Sejiri Steppe at instant-speed to thwart removal and/or disrupt GY-based strategies. Card is fantastic.
Yeah I disagree here too.
Having played the deck for a while, KotR is the reigning MVP.
I'll almost always mulligan if I don't get KotR or GSZ (to fetch KotR). The card isn't legendary, which matters too. KHE isn't really there for ramp, altho I do use it for that early. It's mainly there for landfall > play something that likes landfall, then *pop!* 4x Burgeoning I tried before. Without some blue filter or crazy draw the card was underwhelming in 'this' deck. In other decks it's F*****G amazing of course.
So I took the deck for a night with the lads and ladies. I like this deck a lot. Gitrog was great, I like this card here a lot. Pavlova (a delicious aussie/kiwi invention) was also pretty good. Pavlova with Courser of Kruphix or Oracle of Mul Daya were quite effective. To be honest, I think I'd like to keep a singleton of both Gitrog & Tatyova in the deck for now.
I've modified my list in post#6 to reflect what I'm currently playing with.
Does your meta have any GY nonsense at all? I'd really like a to see a Bojuka Bog in there. I don't actually like Glacial Chasm in "fair" decks such as these because the life and land hit kinda suck.
Yeah my group does abuse the grave. We don't have many degenerate graveyard decks, your suggestion is a good one.
RE: Glacial Chasm;
The reason I play this is to Fog an alpha strike. Should they attack & pass priority to me to block, I can tap my KotR for GC.
Now that player is open for every one else to take down. I know it's not ideal, but I can fetch it up at instant speed.
In my group, I AM THE THREAT. Even when there are much bigger threats on the table, I always seem to draw attention.
And if I play a swamp or a forest, I can usually bet on at least someone attacking only me for the whole game.
I must have conditioned them. Poor little possums.
You know that feeling right?
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I've been playing a Landfall-based deck for a while now.
It runs just fine, but it's fairly one-paced and predictable.
4 Krosan Verge
2 Sejiri Steppe
4 Evolving Wilds
3 Plains
8 Forest
1 Glacial Chasm
4 Khalni Heart Expedition
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Fierce Empath
2 Courser of Kruphix
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Reclamation Sage
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Worm Harvest
1 Overwhelming Stampede
2 Rampaging Baloths
1 Avenger of Zendikar
2 Emeria Shepherd
1 Harvester of Souls
I use Sundial as I don't have Tireless Tracker, also don't have Lotus Cobra. I have a set of Primeval Titan but I use them in another deck. Any suggestions for this archetype are welcome!
It's okay, it's not amazeballs, but a few other options have me curious.
The Gitrog Monster, Omnath, Locus of Rage & Tatyova, Benthic Druid.
Gitrog looks like the stronger option here, given that this deck doesn't really ramp, so getting 5cmc seems more plausible, but I'm curious how it actually plays out. I'm thinking that Gitrog together with a small number of Ramunap Excavator would be the only real changes I would need to work with my current deck? So of these three options, which one's do you think are worth pursuing?
The cards that you listed are all fantastic. The only one that you missed was Titania, Protector of Argoth. She's stupid in the archetype. Ramunap Excavator is also a MUST. That card is utterly bonkers with Fetchlands and things like Krosan Verge.
Don't play things like Overwhelming Stampede that you can't tutor for with GSZ. Play Craterhoof or Kamahl, Fist of Krosa or w/e. If you can't tutor for it then it's worthless. If you can't afford any of the good ones don't bother with a bad one. It's not a reasonable substitute.
Cut the crappy Seer's Sundials. They're garbage. Also cut 1x Reclamation Sage. Is your meta big or Black? My go-to draw spell is Compost. Otherwise stick to things like Lifecrafter's Bestiary and Harmonize. Or at least play something like Mind's Eye.
Why is Harvester of Souls in there? Card is awful and uncastable? Stick to Tatyova or w/e.
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Oh wow, Titania, Protector of Argoth is great! Makes Omnath, Locus of Rage look like over-costed trash.
Bane of Progress has been in there in the past, and it's strong. It's currently in another deck but should come back.
Yeah I don't like the Sundial's either, just an option I own. I typically play against 3 to 6 opponents, so Compost is definitely an option. Both Gitrog & Tatyova supply draw and can be fetched with GSZ. Given I could easily include both of these creatures and only need to support them with a single Opulent Palace, I think it might be fun to test which I like more.
Stampede is a silly one, you're right, my Kamahl is in another deck, but I think this deck needs him more now I think about.
I don't own Craterhoof Behemoth ....but would love to.
How did Harvester of SOuls get in there? It wasn't even meant to be Soul of the Harvest either... puzzling?!
I think this was Sylvan Primordial or Genesis. I have some of my decks typed out in excel, I blame booze and late nights....
Anyway;
-4 Sundial, -1 Stampede, -1 Sage, -1 Harvester??
+ 4 Draw options (gonna go thru my greenies), +1 Titania, +1 Ramunap, +1 Bane, +1 Kamahl
You may as well play World Shaper since GSZ can tutor for it and it's not timing-specific. Splendid Reclamation is also significantly more powerful but stick to the creature.
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World Shaper is interesting, but this might be more useful for the Scapeshift / Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle kind of build.
3 Krosan Verge
2 Sejiri Steppe
4 Evolving Wilds
1 Mistveil Plains
3 Plains
8 Forest
1 Opulent Palace
1 Glacial Chasm
4 Khalni Heart Expedition
1 Worm Harvest
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Fierce Empath
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Ramunap Excavator
2 Courser of Kruphix
1 Somberwald Sage
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 The Gitrog Monster
1 Tatyova, Benthic Druid
1 Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
1 Bane of Progress
2 Rampaging Baloths
2 Emeria Shepherd
1 Avenger of Zendikar
I'd like to fit Genesis in there, but I'm not certain I actually need it with Emeria Shepherd in there.
One card I've not played with before is Wayward Swordtooth. Looks very good, but I'm not sure I can fit it into the list, seems to be completing with Courser of Kruphix.
Disagree. It's a constant source of Landfall triggers (sac land, grab a fetch, sac fetch to grab another land, etc.) attached to a massive body for a low mana cost. I also nabs bullets like Bojuka Bog and Sejiri Steppe at instant-speed to thwart removal and/or disrupt GY-based strategies. Card is fantastic.
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Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
Yeah I disagree here too.
Having played the deck for a while, KotR is the reigning MVP.
I'll almost always mulligan if I don't get KotR or GSZ (to fetch KotR). The card isn't legendary, which matters too.
KHE isn't really there for ramp, altho I do use it for that early. It's mainly there for landfall > play something that likes landfall, then *pop!* 4x Burgeoning I tried before. Without some blue filter or crazy draw the card was underwhelming in 'this' deck. In other decks it's F*****G amazing of course.
So I took the deck for a night with the lads and ladies. I like this deck a lot.
Gitrog was great, I like this card here a lot. Pavlova (a delicious aussie/kiwi invention) was also pretty good. Pavlova with Courser of Kruphix or Oracle of Mul Daya were quite effective. To be honest, I think I'd like to keep a singleton of both Gitrog & Tatyova in the deck for now.
I've modified my list in post#6 to reflect what I'm currently playing with.
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Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
RE: Glacial Chasm;
The reason I play this is to Fog an alpha strike. Should they attack & pass priority to me to block, I can tap my KotR for GC.
Now that player is open for every one else to take down. I know it's not ideal, but I can fetch it up at instant speed.
Yeah but this is a creature deck, you're casting warm bodies all throughout the game. Who's going to be alpha attacking you?
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Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
In my group, I AM THE THREAT. Even when there are much bigger threats on the table, I always seem to draw attention.
And if I play a swamp or a forest, I can usually bet on at least someone attacking only me for the whole game.
I must have conditioned them. Poor little possums.
You know that feeling right?