Big thank you to Grixis (and everyone that contributed) to help make this primer. This single primer has helped me tremendously in creating my MBC deck.
Once again, thank you guys for helping me create this. I really love using this deck, and it functions really well.
If you guys have any pointers, and tips for me with my deck, please feel free to let me know.
EDIT:
Thinking about adding 3 Classic Lilly's. She's 5 cmc, but her abilities are amazing. Discard, plus allowing me to fish for a Titan or Obliterator. I honestly can't see why I would want to use the Veil version, or the Dark Realms version.
I guess it depends on your meta, but I can't afford running that much creatures, I prefer to have them once the board is controlled and the opponent is topdecking...
And I don't like the old liliana, aside from mana cost... we don't need tutoring, since in a control deck(we got plenty of time waiting for them). I personally prefer phyrexian arena for it's continual ability. No list in top 32 use sign in blood.
My usage of liliana of the dark realms is optimal since I technically draw an extra card every turn and can run fewer lands since I'm guaranteed to get them. And I'm strongly thinking of adding 2 Profane Command to abuse her ult (I usually get to 6+ counters quite easily)
With as much creatures as spells, it just seems you're going an Aggro route instead of control.
I guess it depends on your meta, but I can't afford running that much creatures, I prefer to have them once the board is controlled and the opponent is topdecking...
And I don't like the old liliana, aside from mana cost... we don't need tutoring, since in a control deck(we got plenty of time waiting for them). I personally prefer phyrexian arena for it's continual ability. No list in top 32 use sign in blood.
My usage of liliana of the dark realms is optimal since I technically draw an extra card every turn and can run fewer lands since I'm guaranteed to get them. And I'm strongly thinking of adding 2 Profane Command to abuse her ult (I usually get to 6+ counters quite easily)
With as much creatures as spells, it just seems you're going an Aggro route instead of control.
Good call on that Phyrexian Arena. As soon as a got some extra spending money, I'll definety have to replace the Bloods. My card pool knowledge is rather limited, but I'm learning.
Yea the 5 cmc sucks on Lilly, and I guess with Phyrexian Arena, that discard ability on Veil is pretty good know, but that's just a little to far out of price range for me. Maybe if it drops when it rotates out.
Thanks for the tips man. That Arena is really going to be fun.
And you should remember the staples of this deck, Innocent Blood and Hymn to Tourach are really necessary to fight stronger tier 1 decks
So obviously, it depends on your meta. But I guarantee it will be badass.
Sorry for the lack of updates but i've been passing through a lot of personal problems those last months and almost had no time for internet, i'm updating the primer slowly since i'm not having a lot of free time.
Hey buddy any update on your primer? I just traded 3 revised dual lands and interested in building a MBC legacy deck or standard red white black aristo deck....thanks!
Well i built the aristocrats deck anyway. I still would love to build a mono black control deck. I'm thinking of 4 nether spirits? I would like to go a more control route. Any creature suggestions? Is Phyrexian obliterator too aggressive?
Just wanting to repost my new MBC, as always you guys have been great for helping me out with this deck. At the bottom I will post my own concerns, and maybe you guys can help me out there.
So I'm not sure about the Dark Rituals. Part of me thinks I should get rid of them for more draw, maybe Sign in Blood. I'm also not sure which is better for sweeper, the Disc I have in there, or Mutilate. The Disc gets rid of everything no matter what, but also risks getting destroyed before I can use it. As always, any other form of advice is always appreciated. Maybe you think I should be using different removal, draw, and discard. I know the Obliterators are a hot-topic, but I find them so very useful. And any advice on additional land could help me too. But let me know what you think. Thanks!
I will appreciate all suggestions, even though I'm reluctant to buy really expensive cards like Bitterblossom, Liliana of the Veil or Dark Confidant.
Some of my thoughts:
I'd not mind adding another color (without abandoning the black control theme). I think this should be possible to pull off with budget mana base with the help of Arcum's Astrolabe, which also thins the deck down and supports Dead of Winter. Some cards in green or white I would consider are Maelstorm Pulse or Oblivion Ring (to answer threats black usually struggles with) and better win conditions. What do you think would be the best route?
If I could afford to buy two playsets of 3cmc Lilianas I would consider making this a Dark Ritual deck, but in the present build I think there are no cards worth Dark Ritualing into.
I don't really like Fatal Push without fetchlands and other enablers and I think I have too many cheap creatures to run Innocent Blood. This motivates the choice of Defile as my main point removal. I also really love Dead of Winter. Another seemingly sweet possibility would be Gatekeeper of Malakir, but in practice I have been frustrated about not being able to kill threats that really matter, thus I pack extra pieces of point removal instead.
I am hesitant about my choice of win conditions. I would run Phyrexian Obliterators, but for some reason these are rather expensive. Do you have any better ideas?
I considered running Raven's Crime in order to allow myself to completely wreck opponent's hand, but I would need to have some engine to fuel this. Of course the best one is Life from the Loam, but I don't know if I can build a deck which really wants it without buying fetchlands and Wastelands.
Draw spells are quite powerful, but I would not mind having replacing some of them with some efficient filtering. Unfortunately blue cantrips are not available and Sensei's Divining Top is excluded because I don't want to run cards banned in Legacy. Do you have any other ideas what could be used here?
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I guess it depends on your meta, but I can't afford running that much creatures, I prefer to have them once the board is controlled and the opponent is topdecking...
And I don't like the old liliana, aside from mana cost... we don't need tutoring, since in a control deck(we got plenty of time waiting for them). I personally prefer phyrexian arena for it's continual ability. No list in top 32 use sign in blood.
My usage of liliana of the dark realms is optimal since I technically draw an extra card every turn and can run fewer lands since I'm guaranteed to get them. And I'm strongly thinking of adding 2 Profane Command to abuse her ult (I usually get to 6+ counters quite easily)
With as much creatures as spells, it just seems you're going an Aggro route instead of control.
Good call on that Phyrexian Arena. As soon as a got some extra spending money, I'll definety have to replace the Bloods. My card pool knowledge is rather limited, but I'm learning.
Yea the 5 cmc sucks on Lilly, and I guess with Phyrexian Arena, that discard ability on Veil is pretty good know, but that's just a little to far out of price range for me. Maybe if it drops when it rotates out.
Thanks for the tips man. That Arena is really going to be fun.
My Decks:
Life Drain and Gain:symw::symb:
The Firemind:symr::symu:
Grave Power:symg::symb:
Werewolves:symg::symr:
Mono Black Control
Bant Slivers:symw::symg::symu:
Mono Blue Control
So obviously, it depends on your meta. But I guarantee it will be badass.
On DeTora's extra land drop on PT:GTC
On DeTora's extra land drop on PT:GTC
He gets quite potent with a coffers out.
Flying + Shadow + pumpable while being able to take the teeth out of opponents? Love it.
2x Grave Titan
Spells:
4x Innocent Blood
4x Go for the Throat
4x Geth's Verdict
4x Hymn to Tourach
4x Duress
4x Dark Ritual
4x Phyrexian Arena
2x Nevinyrrals's Disc
20x Swamp
4x Cabal Coffers
So I'm not sure about the Dark Rituals. Part of me thinks I should get rid of them for more draw, maybe Sign in Blood. I'm also not sure which is better for sweeper, the Disc I have in there, or Mutilate. The Disc gets rid of everything no matter what, but also risks getting destroyed before I can use it. As always, any other form of advice is always appreciated. Maybe you think I should be using different removal, draw, and discard. I know the Obliterators are a hot-topic, but I find them so very useful. And any advice on additional land could help me too. But let me know what you think. Thanks!
My Decks:
Life Drain and Gain:symw::symb:
The Firemind:symr::symu:
Grave Power:symg::symb:
Werewolves:symg::symr:
Mono Black Control
Bant Slivers:symw::symg::symu:
Mono Blue Control
2 Castle Locthwain
4 Sign in Blood
3 Phyrexian Arena
4 Dead of Winter
1 Go for the Throat
1 Victim of Night
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Duress
3 Gifted Aetherborn
3 Nantuko Shade
4 Demigod of Revenge
I will appreciate all suggestions, even though I'm reluctant to buy really expensive cards like Bitterblossom, Liliana of the Veil or Dark Confidant.
Some of my thoughts: