I'm in the process of liquidating a huge portion of my loose magic collection, and thought I'd post this thread before I pull the plug. I feel like I have the poor luck of always discovering a new format, archetype, or novel cube idea right after I've dumped a bunch of seemingly worthless cards, so I thought I'd hedge my bets a little bit and reach into the aether...
I'm interested in hearing folks weirdest, darkest cube fantasies; the kinds of cubes you'll never get off the ground or build, but think might be fun if you had the time and resources to spend on one. Now that you have your powered/unpowered/peasant/pauper cube, what are your ideas for that "only once in a while" eccentric cube?
Typically, unconventional cubes are discussed when someone makes a post like "I'm thinking of working on an x-cube," but rarely do these make their way into the cube lists section, as a fully realized lists. I'd like to hear more embryonic cube ideas, strange tribes, strange color balances, themes, etc.
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An idea for a cube that I've put together, that I still think is a blast to play, is an Un-based cube. Its pretty limited by the card pool from Unhinged and Unglued, but it makes for extremely fun games and interactions. Pygmy Giant and Stuffy Doll?
A cube where every creature and spell are errata'd to be a Soldier Merfolk Zombie Goblin Elf.
A cube where no card costs over three mana.
A cube where every nonland card costs over three mana.
Umm... not terribly creative, I know. Maybe you could make a variant pauper cube to ensure the cards you need are actually the ones you have and the ones you have are actually needed?
Specialities about the cube: U tempo, B aggro, R slow-ish are supported. G aggro is not.
Currently trying to support tokens in all colors but blue, in different ways: W pumps them, B sacrifices them, R suicides them, G has decent-sized ones.
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A cube where every creature and spell are errata'd to be a Soldier Merfolk Zombie Goblin Elf.
I've since scraped this idea, but I was seriously working on a <takes breath> mostly green, WURB as support, elf + class tribal, 240-card, multi-player cube. Class based stuff, ala morningtide's class equips + zendikar's allies really appeals to me as a gimmick.
I'll put one up for a mono-blue cube. Let's get dandân the love it deserves!
I'd say with all the aggressive blue creatures wizards has been pushing recently, this wouldn't be too difficult to pull off successfully.
Using that "Grid Draft" variant, mentioned in the recent winston stack thread, a small (180-240) mono colored cube + artifacts might be a viable cube variant! It definitely helps with the signalling issues folks cite as a reason to stay away from atypically color-distributed cubes.
A second tier cube, where the only rule is that the card cannot be in your main cube.
Very doable, but hard to balance. Some key cards will be missing, but making it work is half the fun. It looks like a nice challenge without getting lost in a 'novelty' cube which will lose its appeal after a couple of drafts.
You will have to include a whole new set of mediocre double lands, crappy burn and Cancel-like counters. Finding all the right roll fillers cards will be like looking for hidden gems.
You will have to include a whole new set of mediocre double lands, crappy burn and Cancel-like counters. Finding all the right roll fillers cards will be like looking for hidden gems.
I probably could have done this twice over after I finished my edh cube. I made mine with the intent of using all these cards that were just sitting unused in my collection, but afterward I still had upwards of 1000 left over.
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I wonder if a small, creatureless "lands" cube could be made. 50%+ of the cube should be composed of utility and man lands. The rest is planeswalkers, burn, counters, enchants, and finisher spells.
Creatureless cube sounds interesting. Finishers are manlands, burn, walkers, combos...
There's a cool article somewhere about a crap cube. I think the guy ended up using mostly Homelands cards. Basically just terrible cards that aren't good enough even for casual formats. So my proposal/variant of this:
A second tier cube, where the only rule is that the card cannot be in your main cube.
Very doable, but hard to balance. Some key cards will be missing, but making it work is half the fun. It looks like a nice challenge without getting lost in a 'novelty' cube which will lose its appeal after a couple of drafts.
You will have to include a whole new set of mediocre double lands, crappy burn and Cancel-like counters. Finding all the right roll fillers cards will be like looking for hidden gems.
I've been thinking about this idea forever, I'm always sad to cut something I love from my cube, and having it go to a cube where it will see the light of draft once again (even if it's only a few times a year) would be awesome. The only thing keeping me from doing it is that I don't remember every card in my cube at some point, and gatherer is a very long list
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Let's make a list. 360 Cards. Probably a slightly smaller gold section that usual, as there's hardly enough good cards in some of the color combinations as it is, so not enough to do a full section of the next best ones.
I'm thinking base it on eidolon's cube comparison thread. Don't include anything that's included in 50% or more of the cubes. (argmuents for some other percentage?)
Auramancer's Cube: Enchantments, enchantments EVERYWHERE. Very few spot-removal effects. Everybody is incentivized to Voltron up their favorite creatures with Auras like they loved to do back when they were kids who had never heard the words "card (dis)advantage" before.
Creatureless cube sounds interesting. Finishers are manlands, burn, walkers, combos...
There's a cool article somewhere about a crap cube. I think the guy ended up using mostly Homelands cards. Basically just terrible cards that aren't good enough even for casual formats. So my proposal/variant of this:
I've seen commons cube, commons/uncommons cube, and even the ocassional uncommons cube, but never a Rares only cube.
Most of the staple weenies/counterspells/removal/burn/ramp is common or uncommon, so this would look totally different than most cube. But I think it would be a crazy thing to try.
Worst versions? You have no idea. Scorching Spear and Assert Authority are much, much worse. Shock and Cancel have been Constructed staples.
If you want to go this route, limit yourself to cards with a rating of less than 2 in Gatherer.
Yeah I realize shock and cancel are second tier cards, not the worst. I'm liking the idea of running the second best of everything though. Cards that just barely don't make a normal cube.
A rares only cube would be odd. You lose most removal, most counterspells, most ramp cards...
I was just thinking yesterday about how much fun it might be to have a cube built entirely of "bad rares" - which isn't too different from what some people have already suggested.
The idea would be to take all the cards that you look at and say "when would I ever want to play THAT?" and then throw them together. I'm pretty confident hilarity would ensue.
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I'm in the process of liquidating a huge portion of my loose magic collection, and thought I'd post this thread before I pull the plug. I feel like I have the poor luck of always discovering a new format, archetype, or novel cube idea right after I've dumped a bunch of seemingly worthless cards, so I thought I'd hedge my bets a little bit and reach into the aether...
I'm interested in hearing folks weirdest, darkest cube fantasies; the kinds of cubes you'll never get off the ground or build, but think might be fun if you had the time and resources to spend on one. Now that you have your powered/unpowered/peasant/pauper cube, what are your ideas for that "only once in a while" eccentric cube?
Typically, unconventional cubes are discussed when someone makes a post like "I'm thinking of working on an x-cube," but rarely do these make their way into the cube lists section, as a fully realized lists. I'd like to hear more embryonic cube ideas, strange tribes, strange color balances, themes, etc.
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A cube where no card costs over three mana.
A cube where every nonland card costs over three mana.
Umm... not terribly creative, I know. Maybe you could make a variant pauper cube to ensure the cards you need are actually the ones you have and the ones you have are actually needed?
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Specialities about the cube:
U tempo, B aggro, R slow-ish are supported. G aggro is not.
Currently trying to support tokens in all colors but blue, in different ways: W pumps them, B sacrifices them, R suicides them, G has decent-sized ones.
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*literal C/U definition according to gatherer
**some cards are banned. Library of Alexandria, Land Tax, Sol Ring.
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I've since scraped this idea, but I was seriously working on a <takes breath> mostly green, WURB as support, elf + class tribal, 240-card, multi-player cube. Class based stuff, ala morningtide's class equips + zendikar's allies really appeals to me as a gimmick.
Great stuff so far! Keep em coming!
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I'd say with all the aggressive blue creatures wizards has been pushing recently, this wouldn't be too difficult to pull off successfully.
Using that "Grid Draft" variant, mentioned in the recent winston stack thread, a small (180-240) mono colored cube + artifacts might be a viable cube variant! It definitely helps with the signalling issues folks cite as a reason to stay away from atypically color-distributed cubes.
"Personally I love high-riak, low-reqars gambles. Life's best with a decent amount of riak. And f*** reqars."
Very doable, but hard to balance. Some key cards will be missing, but making it work is half the fun. It looks like a nice challenge without getting lost in a 'novelty' cube which will lose its appeal after a couple of drafts.
You will have to include a whole new set of mediocre double lands, crappy burn and Cancel-like counters. Finding all the right roll fillers cards will be like looking for hidden gems.
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I probably could have done this twice over after I finished my edh cube. I made mine with the intent of using all these cards that were just sitting unused in my collection, but afterward I still had upwards of 1000 left over.
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I wonder if a small, creatureless "lands" cube could be made. 50%+ of the cube should be composed of utility and man lands. The rest is planeswalkers, burn, counters, enchants, and finisher spells.
"Personally I love high-riak, low-reqars gambles. Life's best with a decent amount of riak. And f*** reqars."
There's a cool article somewhere about a crap cube. I think the guy ended up using mostly Homelands cards. Basically just terrible cards that aren't good enough even for casual formats. So my proposal/variant of this:
Run the worst versions of every card. Run Shock instead of Lightning Bolt. Cancel instead of Counterspell. The Slowlands. Run Chimney Imp.
I've been thinking about this idea forever, I'm always sad to cut something I love from my cube, and having it go to a cube where it will see the light of draft once again (even if it's only a few times a year) would be awesome. The only thing keeping me from doing it is that I don't remember every card in my cube at some point, and gatherer is a very long list
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I'm thinking base it on eidolon's cube comparison thread. Don't include anything that's included in 50% or more of the cubes. (argmuents for some other percentage?)
Worst versions? You have no idea. Scorching Spear and Assert Authority are much, much worse. Shock and Cancel have been Constructed staples.
If you want to go this route, limit yourself to cards with a rating of less than 2 in Gatherer.
Most of the staple weenies/counterspells/removal/burn/ramp is common or uncommon, so this would look totally different than most cube. But I think it would be a crazy thing to try.
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Yeah I realize shock and cancel are second tier cards, not the worst. I'm liking the idea of running the second best of everything though. Cards that just barely don't make a normal cube.
A rares only cube would be odd. You lose most removal, most counterspells, most ramp cards...
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The idea would be to take all the cards that you look at and say "when would I ever want to play THAT?" and then throw them together. I'm pretty confident hilarity would ensue.
Basically a format where the only effective decks are "gimmick" draft decks.
Like so many other ideas, it'd be a little low on the power scale I suspect >_>
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