I have always believed in the presence of life on other planets, and I have always known in my heart they have been here, and the government is covering it up. I honestly believe this guy is telling the truth, there would be no real reason for him to lie
I think this guy might be losing it? And from my experience the U.S. government is pretty much incapable of keeping a secret for 20 years. So I honestly can’t think the could keep one for 60 years
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they did keep it a secret for 20 years. thats how we have only heard rumors about aliens and we haven't seen any proof. i have always believed in aliens also, so i believe this guy. im not sure if this thread belongs here, it seems like it would be better in a debate thread about if aleins and real or not.
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I have always believed in the presence of life on other planets, and I have always known in my heart they have been here, and the government is covering it up. I honestly believe this guy is telling the truth, there would be no real reason for him to lie
Why?
What possible reason could they have for coming to earth? It would take some massive amount of resources to build a spaceship. They aren't going to spend those resources just because they're curious. They'll want something in return.
Also, we'd be so primitive from a technological standpoint, why would they want to visit? Also, we think they'd advanced technologically. what makes us think they'd be more advanced spiritually?
I can't think of one reason why an alien species would want to, for benign reasons, visit this backwater place.
Think of all the reasons they could have for coming to earth! It would take some massive amount of resources to build a spaceship. They are going to spend those resources just because they're curious. They'll want to learn about us.
Also, we'd be so primitive from a technological standpoint, why wouldn't they want to visit? Also, we think they'd advanced technologically. What makes us think they wouldn't be more advanced spiritually?
I can't think of one reason why an alien species wouldn't want to, for benign reasons, visit this backwater place.
What possible reason could they have for coming to earth? It would take some massive amount of resources to build a spaceship. They aren't going to spend those resources just because they're curious. They'll want something in return.
Also, we'd be so primitive from a technological standpoint, why would they want to visit? Also, we think they'd advanced technologically. what makes us think they'd be more advanced spiritually?
I can't think of one reason why an alien species would want to, for benign reasons, visit this backwater place.
Why would we spend so much money going to the Moon or Mars or sending unmanned probes into deep space?
And who says it costs them all that much in resources to visit us in the first place?
With the right technological advanced, an interstellar trip may not be anywhere near as lengthy or expensive as we would think. Cannot pass the speed of light? True. But that does not exclude the possibilities of wormholes or some form of Quantum teleportation.
If they have the resources to visit us easily, why wouldn't they? I am pretty sure if we had the ability and knowhow to send a manned vessel to the nearest inhabited world (and had data to suggest it may well be inhabitted) and such a trip would take even a few years, that we would do it. It is not so far fetched to imagine another culture would do the same.
Watergate has been kept a secret. But this is just crazy. USA is not the center of EARTH, there are hundreds of other countries that WOULD HAVE to know if aliens existed and what is keeping all of us back from telling? Because they don't exist! This pilot here is probably going crazy or having some fun with his elderly life. My guess is when we contact aliens, our demise will shortly follow after...
My biggest problem with Roswell and other alien visits, is the fact they look like little people. I mean, seriously? The lifeforms indigenous, at least, to another solar system, if not another galaxy, just happens to look vaguely like humans? I mean, the odds of them looking anything like a specific species on this planet is up there already, but why specifically humans? Perhaps because we need this egocentric, masturbatory myth about little grey men to make us feel special. "Look, these advanced species from another planet look like us and are interested in our humble little planet!"
That on top of a medley of other issues...
My guess is when we contact aliens, our demise will shortly follow after...
That, or we contact them. I don't see why they have to be more advanced then us. I'm sure there is a lovely planet out there with some algae blooms* floating around on an ocean and not much else.
*Algae blooms used only for illustrative purposes. I'm not claiming this as fact, just using it as a conceptual device.
Aliens would visit us for the same reason we want to take a trip to Europe. It's fun to explore new places. Is Europe more technologically advanced of the United States? NOOOOOO. Is it some luxurious walk in the park? NOOOOOOOOOO (but according to movies, YES!!!). There's nothing amazing about Europe and every little bit of technology is crazy expensive (even for them). So really, it's the same thing for Aliens.
And, I agree; it would probably cost them next to nothing to visit us. The thing that strikes me is that I don't believe humans would look humanoid.
My biggest problem with Roswell and other alien visits, is the fact they look like little people. I mean, seriously? The lifeforms indigenous, at least, to another solar system, if not another galaxy, just happens to look vaguely like humans? I mean, the odds of them looking anything like a specific species on this planet is up there already, but why specifically humans? Perhaps because we need this egocentric, masturbatory myth about little grey men to make us feel special. "Look, these advanced species from another planet look like us and are interested in our humble little planet!"
That on top of a medley of other issues...
Well good sir, lets take a little introspection as to why that may be...
In order for organic life forms to exist, it needs air, water, and sun. We can only assume these strangers from other worlds (if they exist) have a similar planet to ours, e.i. An atmosphere, self sustaining ecosystems, lots of water, and plenty of phosphorescent life. With that being the case, how far fetched would it be to conclude, under these similar circumstances, that these organisms may evolve into what appears to be some kind of a humanoid race? Monkeys did it...given a few thousand more years (maybe millions) we may see Monkeys living in similar environments as we do now, and we (human race) may be something entirely different (what we stereotype as the typical gray alienoid). :exhale:
That, or we contact them. I don't see why they have to be more advanced then us. I'm sure there is a lovely planet out there with some algae blooms* floating around on an ocean and not much else.
Intelligent* life. Intelligent life is what is at stake here. Contacting inanimate organics is just not as interesting as a 9 foot gray fella with huge eyes and silky smooth body language.
Watergate has been kept a secret. But this is just crazy. USA is not the center of EARTH, there are hundreds of other countries that WOULD HAVE to know if aliens existed and what is keeping all of us back from telling? Because they don't exist!
Well said
rumors about Roswell have been circulating for years if it had actually happened we would have proof by now not just the same rumors still floating around. It is fine to hope that there is life out there, but until a space ship touches down in Times Square and throws open the door and says here we are while it is broadcast on CNN we are alone in the universe.
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Astronomically, there are troubles. We know too much about the planets in our immediate vicinity to think such a technologically advanced civilization exists on any of them. So we have to look beyond our system, but then you get time lag issues. Information has to travel quite far and it takes a very long time to get there.
The argument that it's all too likely for some life to exist somewhere else in all the vastness of the known universe is widely popular, but it doesn't support that life visiting us because, for most all of that space, the information arriving from here to that spot shows nothing of interest; in fact, most all of space has yet to learn that the Earth exists.
At the other end of our little galaxy, an entity that could interpret the light bouncing off our planet would today see it as it existed 100,000 years ago - a good way into the Pleistocene epoch. An entity in the much larger Andromeda galaxy who could do the same would today see this planet towards the end of the Pliocene epoch, and would see the very beginnings of hominins, our evolution.
However, that entity in the Andromeda galaxy arriving today after having traveled at the speed of light would have embarked on that journey learning about our planet as it was at the beginning of that Pliocene epoch - sharks were pretty new at this time.
And this is for Andromeda, 2,500,000 light years away. The observable universe is 97,000,000,000 light years across, and the Earth isn't even 5,000,000,000 years old. Using as a bound that the entity that could travel at the speed of light would only have left after learning that the Earth exists, that gives us 2,500,000,000 light years.
I don't doubt that there is other life somewhere in the universe, but that there is other intelligent life anywhere within traveling distance of Earth seems highly unlikely.
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I don't know if it is entirely improbable to assume that there isn't life of any kind in our immediate vacinity, and by immediate vacinity, I do mean in terms of proportional logic when considering the vastness of space. As humans, we have no idea what other planets on the nearest of galaxies look like or are consumed of. What sucks about space, is that even at speeds of light, it would still take an astronomically (see the pun here?) long time to go to, and from a galaxy to deteremine if life was there. If aliens ever do visit us, it would already be evident or at least it be evident they are on there way. Astronomers can calculate things moving through space, and one can only assume that a self sestaining craft of intelligent life would require an extremely large vessel and generations upon generations (probably in the millions) of alienoid passangers drifting through space. Traveling at the speed of light seems very improbable (to me at least given our current resources and technological barriers) and going beyond the speed of light, say the speed of light or X to the power of itself X^X would still make space travel a lenghty endeavor.
In order for organic life forms to exist, it needs air, water, and sun. We can only assume these strangers from other worlds (if they exist) have a similar planet to ours, e.i. An atmosphere, self sustaining ecosystems, lots of water, and plenty of phosphorescent life. With that being the case, how far fetched would it be to conclude, under these similar circumstances, that these organisms may evolve into what appears to be some kind of a humanoid race? Monkeys did it...given a few thousand more years (maybe millions) we may see Monkeys living in similar environments as we do now, and we (human race) may be something entirely different (what we stereotype as the typical gray alienoid). :exhale:
See, thats the funny thing. We evolved together on the same planet and diverged from the same ancestors. If you go back far enough, your likely able to trace every species on earth to a single micro-organism, or even a whole menagerie of organisms. The point being, all those organism evolved together on the same planet. Just look at the incredible diversity of life we have just on this planet though, kinds of life that just don't have anything in common with others beyond the cellular level.
To imagine that an organism on an entirely different planet would evolve into anything like us, and on top of that, visit us, is just hubris and nothing else. That's not to mention your not considering the possibility that life can exist in forms other than we know it on this planet.
Contacting inanimate organics is just not as interesting as a 9 foot gray fella with huge eyes and silky smooth body language.
THIS is what it really boils down to. 9 foot grey fellas make for much better myth making than something thats likely to exist.
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Sobek I disagree that life on another planet would not evolve into something like us. The basic components of life are alot like ingredients to a mexican dinner...
Organic Life needs:
Water, Air, and Space.
Mexican Dinner needs:
Meat, Cheese, and Beans.
How many different combinations of Mexican dinner can you make? I know that when I go to my favorite Mexican Restaurant and order food they (for the most part) have all the same ingredients as the next item on the menu. I pick what I consider my favorite, which is similarily relative to Survival of the Fittest in terms of evolution on a distant world with the same "ingredients" as Earth.
Humans are the dominant mixture of meat, cheese, and beans so to speak, and have been dominating the Earth for a while now...and from the looks of things for time to come. I just think its very probable that evolution rids itself of lesser organisims in order to make room for the dominant ones. (i.e. The Burrito is Human, and The Taco are Monkeys)
No, that is organic life as we know it. How do you know there isn't a planet on which (for example) life isn't carbon, but nitrogen or sulphur based?
And if, for some strange reason, an alien species only landed in the USA, why would the government cover it up? I mean, the president would love to tell about it. The voters would probably worship him for it.
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The air prerequisite is suspect, even for known life. What do you meant by it? If you mean the chemical composition of our air, absolutely not: anaerobic organisms exist in large quantities. If you mean an atmosphere, then I could agree with that - they stabilize things so well.
Sobek I disagree that life on another planet would not evolve into something like us. The basic components of life are alot like ingredients to a mexican dinner...
Organic Life needs:
Water, Air, and Space.
Mexican Dinner needs:
Meat, Cheese, and Beans.
How many different combinations of Mexican dinner can you make? I know that when I go to my favorite Mexican Restaurant and order food they (for the most part) have all the same ingredients as the next item on the menu. I pick what I consider my favorite, which is similarily relative to Survival of the Fittest in terms of evolution on a distant world with the same "ingredients" as Earth.
Humans are the dominant mixture of meat, cheese, and beans so to speak, and have been dominating the Earth for a while now...and from the looks of things for time to come. I just think its very probable that evolution rids itself of lesser organisims in order to make room for the dominant ones. (i.e. The Burrito is Human, and The Taco are Monkeys)
Are you serious? Like, seriously serious?
You recite the formula "water, air, and space" like it's a foolproof recipe for an organism built along the rather bizarre lines we humans happen to have. But look at all the other organisms this recipe has produced on Earth. Among them, there are a number of very nonhumanoid creatures that are decent candidates for eventual tool users; off the top of my head, there are raccoons, crows, and octopi. All are omnivorous animals with capable manipulative appendages that use mental versatility to survive and display the all-important quality of curiosity. Crows are additionally highly social and vocally communicative. These are very human traits, making this a recipe for a quite humanlike form of intelligence - and, just out of the life on Earth, a freaking blackbird fits the bill! It's a mere accident of evolution that we monkeys developed civilization first. (And, for the record, we haven't been "dominating the Earth" for very long at all in the grand scheme of things: humanity has existed maybe a hundred thousand years, a mere tiny sliver of even just the Age of Mammals, which has lasted 65 million years to date.)
Who knows what alien animals might have these traits? Who knows whether these traits are especially important for the evolution of intelligence? In the nascent field of xenobiology, the only certainty is uncertainty.
For more information on the subject, I recommend the aptly-named What Does a Martian Look Like?, by Jack Cohen and Ian Stewart, a pair of biologists who have the most awesome side-job ever: designing believable aliens for science fiction authors. The bottom line: expect sentient magnetic field patterns before you expect another hominid.
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We'll never know the whole Roswell story because the military has changed the story every five years since 1947. Under the freedom of Information act they declassified dozens of pages of Roswell reports, and it was 80% blacked out, moreso than almost anything else they declassified. Also, this
I could go on and on and on about roswell, its very interesting and a very deep rabbit hole, but its 4:00 in the morning in me-land at the moment
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We'll never know the whole Roswell story because the military has changed the story every five years since 1947.
I'd like to think that we'll be beyond keeping this secret ten generations from now. Or did you mean "we" as in those of us discussing this right now?
But honestly, I doubt it's all that important. I can't imagine anything any body would go through this much trouble over - except a decoy. Any reasonable body, that is...
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Why?
What possible reason could they have for coming to earth? It would take some massive amount of resources to build a spaceship. They aren't going to spend those resources just because they're curious. They'll want something in return.
Also, we'd be so primitive from a technological standpoint, why would they want to visit? Also, we think they'd advanced technologically. what makes us think they'd be more advanced spiritually?
I can't think of one reason why an alien species would want to, for benign reasons, visit this backwater place.
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This guy is old and probably has a grudge against NASA for some reason.
Why would we spend so much money going to the Moon or Mars or sending unmanned probes into deep space?
And who says it costs them all that much in resources to visit us in the first place?
With the right technological advanced, an interstellar trip may not be anywhere near as lengthy or expensive as we would think. Cannot pass the speed of light? True. But that does not exclude the possibilities of wormholes or some form of Quantum teleportation.
If they have the resources to visit us easily, why wouldn't they? I am pretty sure if we had the ability and knowhow to send a manned vessel to the nearest inhabited world (and had data to suggest it may well be inhabitted) and such a trip would take even a few years, that we would do it. It is not so far fetched to imagine another culture would do the same.
That on top of a medley of other issues...
That, or we contact them. I don't see why they have to be more advanced then us. I'm sure there is a lovely planet out there with some algae blooms* floating around on an ocean and not much else.
*Algae blooms used only for illustrative purposes. I'm not claiming this as fact, just using it as a conceptual device.
And, I agree; it would probably cost them next to nothing to visit us. The thing that strikes me is that I don't believe humans would look humanoid.
Well good sir, lets take a little introspection as to why that may be...
In order for organic life forms to exist, it needs air, water, and sun. We can only assume these strangers from other worlds (if they exist) have a similar planet to ours, e.i. An atmosphere, self sustaining ecosystems, lots of water, and plenty of phosphorescent life. With that being the case, how far fetched would it be to conclude, under these similar circumstances, that these organisms may evolve into what appears to be some kind of a humanoid race? Monkeys did it...given a few thousand more years (maybe millions) we may see Monkeys living in similar environments as we do now, and we (human race) may be something entirely different (what we stereotype as the typical gray alienoid). :exhale:
Intelligent* life. Intelligent life is what is at stake here. Contacting inanimate organics is just not as interesting as a 9 foot gray fella with huge eyes and silky smooth body language.
Well said
rumors about Roswell have been circulating for years if it had actually happened we would have proof by now not just the same rumors still floating around. It is fine to hope that there is life out there, but until a space ship touches down in Times Square and throws open the door and says here we are while it is broadcast on CNN we are alone in the universe.
The argument that it's all too likely for some life to exist somewhere else in all the vastness of the known universe is widely popular, but it doesn't support that life visiting us because, for most all of that space, the information arriving from here to that spot shows nothing of interest; in fact, most all of space has yet to learn that the Earth exists.
At the other end of our little galaxy, an entity that could interpret the light bouncing off our planet would today see it as it existed 100,000 years ago - a good way into the Pleistocene epoch. An entity in the much larger Andromeda galaxy who could do the same would today see this planet towards the end of the Pliocene epoch, and would see the very beginnings of hominins, our evolution.
However, that entity in the Andromeda galaxy arriving today after having traveled at the speed of light would have embarked on that journey learning about our planet as it was at the beginning of that Pliocene epoch - sharks were pretty new at this time.
And this is for Andromeda, 2,500,000 light years away. The observable universe is 97,000,000,000 light years across, and the Earth isn't even 5,000,000,000 years old. Using as a bound that the entity that could travel at the speed of light would only have left after learning that the Earth exists, that gives us 2,500,000,000 light years.
I don't doubt that there is other life somewhere in the universe, but that there is other intelligent life anywhere within traveling distance of Earth seems highly unlikely.
See, thats the funny thing. We evolved together on the same planet and diverged from the same ancestors. If you go back far enough, your likely able to trace every species on earth to a single micro-organism, or even a whole menagerie of organisms. The point being, all those organism evolved together on the same planet. Just look at the incredible diversity of life we have just on this planet though, kinds of life that just don't have anything in common with others beyond the cellular level.
To imagine that an organism on an entirely different planet would evolve into anything like us, and on top of that, visit us, is just hubris and nothing else. That's not to mention your not considering the possibility that life can exist in forms other than we know it on this planet.
THIS is what it really boils down to. 9 foot grey fellas make for much better myth making than something thats likely to exist.
Organic Life needs:
Water, Air, and Space.
Mexican Dinner needs:
Meat, Cheese, and Beans.
How many different combinations of Mexican dinner can you make? I know that when I go to my favorite Mexican Restaurant and order food they (for the most part) have all the same ingredients as the next item on the menu. I pick what I consider my favorite, which is similarily relative to Survival of the Fittest in terms of evolution on a distant world with the same "ingredients" as Earth.
Humans are the dominant mixture of meat, cheese, and beans so to speak, and have been dominating the Earth for a while now...and from the looks of things for time to come. I just think its very probable that evolution rids itself of lesser organisims in order to make room for the dominant ones. (i.e. The Burrito is Human, and The Taco are Monkeys)
or take some pills because alzheimers seems to be knocking!
considering teh evolutionary variation , i highly doubt aliens would look at ALL like us
No, that is organic life as we know it. How do you know there isn't a planet on which (for example) life isn't carbon, but nitrogen or sulphur based?
And if, for some strange reason, an alien species only landed in the USA, why would the government cover it up? I mean, the president would love to tell about it. The voters would probably worship him for it.
Or silicon, which is less of a stretch.
Are you serious? Like, seriously serious?
You recite the formula "water, air, and space" like it's a foolproof recipe for an organism built along the rather bizarre lines we humans happen to have. But look at all the other organisms this recipe has produced on Earth. Among them, there are a number of very nonhumanoid creatures that are decent candidates for eventual tool users; off the top of my head, there are raccoons, crows, and octopi. All are omnivorous animals with capable manipulative appendages that use mental versatility to survive and display the all-important quality of curiosity. Crows are additionally highly social and vocally communicative. These are very human traits, making this a recipe for a quite humanlike form of intelligence - and, just out of the life on Earth, a freaking blackbird fits the bill! It's a mere accident of evolution that we monkeys developed civilization first. (And, for the record, we haven't been "dominating the Earth" for very long at all in the grand scheme of things: humanity has existed maybe a hundred thousand years, a mere tiny sliver of even just the Age of Mammals, which has lasted 65 million years to date.)
Who knows what alien animals might have these traits? Who knows whether these traits are especially important for the evolution of intelligence? In the nascent field of xenobiology, the only certainty is uncertainty.
For more information on the subject, I recommend the aptly-named What Does a Martian Look Like?, by Jack Cohen and Ian Stewart, a pair of biologists who have the most awesome side-job ever: designing believable aliens for science fiction authors. The bottom line: expect sentient magnetic field patterns before you expect another hominid.
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I could go on and on and on about roswell, its very interesting and a very deep rabbit hole, but its 4:00 in the morning in me-land at the moment
The internet is like drugs, it can be alot of fun, but most people on it say really stupid stuff
But honestly, I doubt it's all that important. I can't imagine anything any body would go through this much trouble over - except a decoy. Any reasonable body, that is...