Seems to me that it's far more likely that fans of LotR and 40k are more likely to buy the cards that feature their favorite characters, scenes, etc. to collect more of the thing they love rather than learning to play the game that they are featured on. I'm sure many in those fandoms are of the nerdy variety and know Magic exists, likely having seen it played at some point. I don't believe Magic incorporating these franchises will bring in new players, but instead just extra buyers.
This feels more like a quick way to get some cash in the short term while forgoing the long term, I base this on Magic's current personality in the last couple of years. There are FAR more quick FOMO kind of products than ever. This kind of attitude I feel is hurting the game, and based on the bannings and the card power lately that is my evidence.
Exactly.
It is 100% a corporate sellout by Hasbro of the existing player base that wants MtG to be and stay MtG. They don’t give a damn about people who have been invested in the game for a long time, sometimes even 25+ years, as long as they can grab the quick cash from the latest generation of un-invested casuals and the growing group of conformist snowflakes within current MtG player base.
And just to point out, reading the forum of the miniature hobby forum I’m also active at it has become crystal clear most Warhammer 40K players think “Magic has no story anyway so having Space Marines in their universe doesn’t make a difference”. That is the kind of new people that will be attracted to the game and you’ll have sit down with you at a Commander table.
Here's hoping Sol Ring gets printed in the LoTR set as the One Ring. That flavour text would be very suitable.
That actually would be pretty good.
How would that be good?
The One Ring is a unique item. Let’s call it legendary. A Sol Ring is an artifact that three out of four people slap on the table in turn one in the average game of Commander
Exactly. The new guy, or any guy for that matter, needs to understand there is a line to be drawn as far as what we will accept Wizards of the Coast does with our game. If they decide to sell out on what the game has always been and make a flat out mockery out of it then it needs to be clear there are people who will not allow that as opposed to your sheepish conformist mentality of blindly accepting whatever WotC tells you to like. I’m free to think that is having no standard and being weak to the bone.
As opposed to you telling us all what to like and blindly conforming to your vision... That just sounds like trading one master for another.
I'm fine with these crossover cards. More players and diversity of interests is better for everyone. If they have their own little side-format that's fine, as that's no different to UNCommander, cEDH or Commander Draft - it's just format variance.
Don't like the cards, don't buy them. Simple. Not scream at those, in person or online, that might be wanting to learn the mechanics of MTG through something they're already familiar with, or those who get one gifted to them by a loved one because of that other IP, or just Mr Casual, who might actually like giant IP crossovers.
I get the purist mentality, there's nobody stopping you playing a WOTC-Only card list if you want, but nobody is entitled to give out orders on either side of the fence, and expressing someones individuality through their interests - even if that's contrary to yours - isn't 'sheepishness', it's good self-esteem.
Now, where's my Morrigan Aensland with Vampire creature typing - I neeeeedddd thisssss....
It is clear you don’t have a clue about what is going to happen once these cards are released.
First off, don't talk down to me, as it's not only clear I'm your senior in terms of age, but also in terms of the game itself and its associated design.
We are not talking about “just format variance” or little side formats or UNCommander. If that is what it was nobody would mind it. The way WotC is doing this they are forcing EVERYBODY playing Commander games to deal with this garbage because everything is thrown on the same pile. You’ll never again be able to sit down with strangers joining your game without addressing this issue.
Which, as I correctly pointed out, is also true of cEDH, UNCommander and any other 'not to everyones taste' elements of the game. These cards are no different to any other argument, wether it be silver borders, gold borders, proxies, alternate arts or mechanical concepts like land destruction.
That I can speak to that pattern is because I know 'exactly' how this plays out, and I'm all for more diversity and an increased player base, because hopefully it means more players celebrating their collective interests rather than self-entitled, spoilt brats trying to bully others out of enjoying a hobby.
If people wants these other IP’s games then make games for the other IP’s. Not **** up a game that has been there for 25+ years.
Just like the stack, removing mana burn, the introduction of Planeswalkers and ending of Extended was going to kill Magic, I find your rantings less doomsday, and more pompousgrandstanding...
I will talk down on you when you deserve to be talked down on, lmao.
You are not my senior in anything and you have no clue what is going on. If you can’t even understand how the stack, removing mana burn, planeswalkers, etc... all changes WITHIN the game... are of a completely different nature than the crap they are pulling now, then that instantly excludes you from being taken seriously in a conversation. Good stories though buddy
Exactly. The new guy, or any guy for that matter, needs to understand there is a line to be drawn as far as what we will accept Wizards of the Coast does with our game. If they decide to sell out on what the game has always been and make a flat out mockery out of it then it needs to be clear there are people who will not allow that as opposed to your sheepish conformist mentality of blindly accepting whatever WotC tells you to like. I’m free to think that is having no standard and being weak to the bone.
As opposed to you telling us all what to like and blindly conforming to your vision... That just sounds like trading one master for another.
I'm fine with these crossover cards. More players and diversity of interests is better for everyone. If they have their own little side-format that's fine, as that's no different to UNCommander, cEDH or Commander Draft - it's just format variance.
Don't like the cards, don't buy them. Simple. Not scream at those, in person or online, that might be wanting to learn the mechanics of MTG through something they're already familiar with, or those who get one gifted to them by a loved one because of that other IP, or just Mr Casual, who might actually like giant IP crossovers.
I get the purist mentality, there's nobody stopping you playing a WOTC-Only card list if you want, but nobody is entitled to give out orders on either side of the fence, and expressing someones individuality through their interests - even if that's contrary to yours - isn't 'sheepishness', it's good self-esteem.
Now, where's my Morrigan Aensland with Vampire creature typing - I neeeeedddd thisssss....
It is clear you don’t have a clue about what is going to happen once these cards are released.
We are not talking about “just format variance” or little side formats or UNCommander. If that is what it was nobody would mind it. The way WotC is doing this they are forcing EVERYBODY playing Commander games to deal with this garbage because everything is thrown on the same pile. You’ll never again be able to sit down with strangers joining your game without addressing this issue.
If people wants these other IP’s games then make games for the other IP’s. Not **** up a game that has been there for 25+ years.
An honest question for players who object to this based on its chance to ruin one's immersion in the game's story: How does it make you feel when someone plays an altered card that touches on another IP? Is Dr. Doom on a Force of Will similarly jarring? Is the rarity of this enough to make it negligible as a concern?
In my experience it’s too rare to matter.
There once was someone playing decks with naked boob manga girls drawn on all of his basic lands and some other similar stupid alters which he refused to replace. He ended up taking his talents elsewhere because the majority of players simply refused to play him as a result.
The tables I play at and regular playgroup will ban all this universe beyond crap straight away just like TWD. That will suck for people coming to the store with these cards in their deck not being able to get in a game.
Then it sounds like the problem there would stem from your playgroup, no?
Sounds to me like the problem is Wizards making a mockery of the game and creating the false impression that this garbage will actually be accepted by everyone, no?
You better believe there will be a LOT of playgroups who will want to have nothing to do with ‘universe beyond’.
"Sorry new guy, but you can't play with anyone here because we collectively decided to not accept those Warhammer cards that are in your deck. I know it's not fair to you, but Wizards forced us to gatekeep you out of our group, so really it's their fault that you can't play, not ours."
That's more or less what you sound like from my perspective. You're free to disallow anyone with those cards from playing games with you, but I'm free to think that your playgroup is being whiny and immature for doing so.
Exactly. The new guy, or any guy for that matter, needs to understand there is a line to be drawn as far as what we will accept Wizards of the Coast does with our game. If they decide to sell out on what the game has always been and make a flat out mockery out of it then it needs to be clear there are people who will not allow that as opposed to your sheepish conformist mentality of blindly accepting whatever WotC tells you to like. I’m free to think that is having no standard and being weak to the bone.
Its the "real" cards thing. If these were a special supplemental, if THOSE properties want a crossover with Magic, thats cool and they could be sold next to THOSE properties, when it's MTG adding those properties to their line of real playable cards, I just don't like it.
Seems a more money grab in all reality. They saw people making custom art, they decided hey we can SELL custom art. They saw people making custom sets, now they decided hey we SELL custom sets.
I just think its short sighted and will hurt long term.
It would be fine if it was a stand-alone thing playable by itself. Mixing it with real MtG? Hell no.
The tables I play at and regular playgroup will ban all this universe beyond crap straight away just like TWD. That will suck for people coming to the store with these cards in their deck not being able to get in a game.
Then it sounds like the problem there would stem from your playgroup, no?
Sounds to me like the problem is Wizards making a mockery of the game and creating the false impression that this garbage will actually be accepted by everyone, no?
You better believe there will be a LOT of playgroups who will want to have nothing to do with ‘universe beyond’.
The tables I play at and regular playgroup will ban all this universe beyond crap straight away just like TWD. That will suck for people coming to the store with these cards in their deck not being able to get in a game.
LotR is getting an entire set, so there's no way it's like Godzilla. You will now regularly be playing Commander games against Gandalf and Bilbo. Bummer.
I guarantee you right now that I will be playing 0 Commander games against Gandalf and Bilbo.
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Exactly.
It is 100% a corporate sellout by Hasbro of the existing player base that wants MtG to be and stay MtG. They don’t give a damn about people who have been invested in the game for a long time, sometimes even 25+ years, as long as they can grab the quick cash from the latest generation of un-invested casuals and the growing group of conformist snowflakes within current MtG player base.
And just to point out, reading the forum of the miniature hobby forum I’m also active at it has become crystal clear most Warhammer 40K players think “Magic has no story anyway so having Space Marines in their universe doesn’t make a difference”. That is the kind of new people that will be attracted to the game and you’ll have sit down with you at a Commander table.
How would that be good?
The One Ring is a unique item. Let’s call it legendary. A Sol Ring is an artifact that three out of four people slap on the table in turn one in the average game of Commander
I will talk down on you when you deserve to be talked down on, lmao.
You are not my senior in anything and you have no clue what is going on. If you can’t even understand how the stack, removing mana burn, planeswalkers, etc... all changes WITHIN the game... are of a completely different nature than the crap they are pulling now, then that instantly excludes you from being taken seriously in a conversation. Good stories though buddy
It is clear you don’t have a clue about what is going to happen once these cards are released.
We are not talking about “just format variance” or little side formats or UNCommander. If that is what it was nobody would mind it. The way WotC is doing this they are forcing EVERYBODY playing Commander games to deal with this garbage because everything is thrown on the same pile. You’ll never again be able to sit down with strangers joining your game without addressing this issue.
If people wants these other IP’s games then make games for the other IP’s. Not **** up a game that has been there for 25+ years.
In my experience it’s too rare to matter.
There once was someone playing decks with naked boob manga girls drawn on all of his basic lands and some other similar stupid alters which he refused to replace. He ended up taking his talents elsewhere because the majority of players simply refused to play him as a result.
Exactly. The new guy, or any guy for that matter, needs to understand there is a line to be drawn as far as what we will accept Wizards of the Coast does with our game. If they decide to sell out on what the game has always been and make a flat out mockery out of it then it needs to be clear there are people who will not allow that as opposed to your sheepish conformist mentality of blindly accepting whatever WotC tells you to like. I’m free to think that is having no standard and being weak to the bone.
It would be fine if it was a stand-alone thing playable by itself. Mixing it with real MtG? Hell no.
Sounds to me like the problem is Wizards making a mockery of the game and creating the false impression that this garbage will actually be accepted by everyone, no?
You better believe there will be a LOT of playgroups who will want to have nothing to do with ‘universe beyond’.
I guarantee you right now that I will be playing 0 Commander games against Gandalf and Bilbo.