Dominaria. Zendikar. Maybe next we'll see Innistrad, Amonkhet, and Tarkir restored? -granted Nissa has never been to Tarkir.
Innistard would require removing Emrakul and they just shouldn't ever touch that again. Amonkhet would be interesting as it would require working with the existing refuges and probably involve the resurrection of their gods. Tarkir isn't broken, Ugin never died so there is nothing wrong with it. That leaves only one good story thread to follow but they could also encounter countless broken new worlds so it could be explored as in-depth as they want. "Fixing" Alara would probably be way more interesting than any of those other ones as it is more about finding harmony with its new form as trying to return is impossible.
I'm sorry no more eldrazi ever is physically impossible besides it will be a matter of time emrakul comes out of the moon
I'm not against more eldrazi. I am against using any of their walkers as agents to interfere with Emrakul in the Moon. When they want to use that storyline again it should 100% be Emrakul decided it was time and left(or whatever it does). And we see people react to this, not have them instigate it.
Dominaria. Zendikar. Maybe next we'll see Innistrad, Amonkhet, and Tarkir restored? -granted Nissa has never been to Tarkir.
Innistard would require removing Emrakul and they just shouldn't ever touch that again. Amonkhet would be interesting as it would require working with the existing refuges and probably involve the resurrection of their gods. Tarkir isn't broken, Ugin never died so there is nothing wrong with it. That leaves only one good story thread to follow but they could also encounter countless broken new worlds so it could be explored as in-depth as they want. "Fixing" Alara would probably be way more interesting than any of those other ones as it is more about finding harmony with its new form as trying to return is impossible.
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Imagine for second that instead of the Lithoform Core, the MacGuffin Nissa and the others were fight over was the 'One Ring' from LotR? By what argument could Nissa trust this power to heal rather than harm Zendikar? Yes, Nissa 'felt' the object as being a part of Zendikar as opposed to the eldrazi but feelings do not inherently lead one to construct the best possible policy for a problem.
While I can agree with a lot of what you and the person you quoted said this right here feels disingenuous. It isn’t comparable because Nissa does has a special connection to Zendikar. It is almost her entire character.
Its as though your asking a random person to trust the whispers of the one ring vs Sauron(?that's the evil guy right?Saruman?) themselves knowing how to use the ring. Still different as Nissa didn't make the orb but it was made of a piece of her best friend.
The hedrons are not necessarily connected to the Eldrazi only. If I remember correctly, Nahiri had the knowledge of how to create them even before meeting Ugin and Sorin. Ugin learned the lithomancy necessary for it from her and added the draconic symbols to specifically use them as a network for Eldrazi imprisonment, but this implies that hedrons themselves were a thing even before the Eldrazi. Probably used in much lesser capacity by the lithomancy-proficient Kor empire and not used as a Zendikar-spanning network, but still. I don't think there is a direct problem with the worldbuilding here.
While all of this is possible. That is only if they choose to further retcon established lore. The word Hedron came from Ugin when they were building the prisons.
One by one, she pulled carefully crafted stone shapes out of the earth—hedrons, Ugin had called them, and the name had stuck.
Also the story is clearly referencing the plane spanning network of hedrons integrated into the leylines.
The lace of leylines and the hedrons that channeled them might have been touching his skin, he sensed them so keenly.
I'm fine with them saying "the Kor always used strange cryptic patterns in their stone/art work. I am not fine with them saying "The hedrons were built to trap the Eldrazi, the eldrazi came after the fall of the Kor empire. The kor empire had Hedrons."
A little of both tbh. It looks like it was a over sight in the continuity. That said 1) from the article they said the empire was in decline around when the eldrazi where sealed and 1.5) said the last skycaves was taken down by elrazi tentacle when the eldrazi where lured there and 2) Nahiri took 40 year to make all the hedrons and they where likely popping up all over as she was finishing them. So all these together there is a time, pre-eldrazi where you had the Kor empire having hedrons. Yes its bending over backwards some but those elements and the vague timeline means this story could fit, even if they didn't much plan to do so.
They don't give us an exact time line but even their vague timelines doesn't agree with them. The empire/skyclaves fell into ruin over the course of a century. Nahiri built the herdrons over forty years. The last skyclave fell to an eldrazi. Meaning that there were hedrons while the empire fell apart. Except we are given the order the skyclaves fell and this story is talking about the skyclave that fell second. You can twist things significantly and say it isn't definitive that six skyclaves fell in about 10 or 20 years. The time in which Nahiri would have made a ***** ton of them but still enough time for the skyclaves to fall separately and not all at once. But that still means that at the end of this story our protag is just a year away from leading a successful uprising. All of these are unreasonable.
It's far more likely that because they designed zendikar from the ground up as having hedrons they never considered a hedronless zendikar. Its disappointingly likely that no one even noticed that the kor empire should find the hedrons strange and alien which explains the similarities between their designs.
The hedrons are not necessarily connected to the Eldrazi only. If I remember correctly, Nahiri had the knowledge of how to create them even before meeting Ugin and Sorin. Ugin learned the lithomancy necessary for it from her and added the draconic symbols to specifically use them as a network for Eldrazi imprisonment, but this implies that hedrons themselves were a thing even before the Eldrazi. Probably used in much lesser capacity by the lithomancy-proficient Kor empire and not used as a Zendikar-spanning network, but still. I don't think there is a direct problem with the worldbuilding here.
While all of this is possible. That is only if they choose to further retcon established lore. The word Hedron came from Ugin when they were building the prisons.
One by one, she pulled carefully crafted stone shapes out of the earth—hedrons, Ugin had called them, and the name had stuck.
Also the story is clearly referencing the plane spanning network of hedrons integrated into the leylines.
The lace of leylines and the hedrons that channeled them might have been touching his skin, he sensed them so keenly.
I'm fine with them saying "the Kor always used strange cryptic patterns in their stone/art work. I am not fine with them saying "The hedrons were built to trap the Eldrazi, the eldrazi came after the fall of the Kor empire. The kor empire had Hedrons."
I really wish they could be consistent on little details. This story takes place when the kor skyclaves and the kor empire are still a thing. Meaning it is long before the eldrazi. Yet we get multiple mentions of hedrons, which shouldn't exist. Is it really that hard to keep worldbuilding consistent?
@sormaro They mentioned a few times the roil was always apart of Zendikar but the eldrazi presence made go into the out of control and chaotic state it is in now and it might be stuck like this or take while for it to calm down. As Zendikar is a more "alive" than other planes makes sense it always have the, to use thier comparison, an immune system that would act when something was messing with it.
As with far too many things they were annoyingly inconsistent about the Roil when Zendikar first came out. The books specifically say that there was a time in Zendikar's history where there was no Roil and it was the coming of the Eldrazi that started it. While another source from the same time says what you said. The Roil was always there but the Eldrazi made it worse.
One of the key reasons Nissa sets the Eldrazi free is because Anowan tells her it would end the Roil. Sorin says that it wouldn't and they should all stop being stupid children and listen to the only adult around, himself.
At this point the Skyclaves don't feel like they're connected to anything. They're randomly generated video game dungeons where the characters can go to find the new story's MacGuffins. I'd be nice if there was more to them, but my expectations are low. Similarly, the bismuth patterns on some of the weapons seem to be nothing more than a superficial aestethic.
Is that new though? Zendikar was never a particularly deep setting. "Just" a rich one with lots of variety and content. All the places, ruins and so forth were just named dungeons with about a sentence describing their mysteriousness. Which isn't particularly bad for Magic's standards, mind you, but yeah.
I think part of why they feel so disconnected is not so much the lack of connect, but the fact that we know that they were made up for this set. Like, that's how Magic operates, which is fine, but it's become a bit of a sore point in the last years due to the constant retcons and inconsistencies. It killed speculation, and it kills excitement about new content, because the glamer that new content is just something that's always been there, but only just now discovered, has been dispelled. The good-will is gone.
At least, that's how I feel about it.
Not quite. All of the original dungeon diving for Zendikar was based around this mysterious "thing" known as the Eldrazi. It was unclear if they were a civilization, a group of Gods, or something. Just that they left powerful Artifacts and Zendikar wasn't happy about it. So there was this underlying feel of interconnectivity based around "What are/were the Eldrazi" and they can't get that back
Jace has an extremely strange moral view on mind-reading people. Random strangers "no problem", person you actually want to know what they're thinking "only a little but feel bad about it", person who definitely knows exactly what you want to know "No because you already feel bad reading their mind to find out they know what you want to know"
Nissa sounding more and more like a kicked puppy with the occasional mama bear vibe.
Its as though your asking a random person to trust the whispers of the one ring vs Sauron(?that's the evil guy right?Saruman?) themselves knowing how to use the ring. Still different as Nissa didn't make the orb but it was made of a piece of her best friend.
They don't give us an exact time line but even their vague timelines doesn't agree with them. The empire/skyclaves fell into ruin over the course of a century. Nahiri built the herdrons over forty years. The last skyclave fell to an eldrazi. Meaning that there were hedrons while the empire fell apart. Except we are given the order the skyclaves fell and this story is talking about the skyclave that fell second. You can twist things significantly and say it isn't definitive that six skyclaves fell in about 10 or 20 years. The time in which Nahiri would have made a ***** ton of them but still enough time for the skyclaves to fall separately and not all at once. But that still means that at the end of this story our protag is just a year away from leading a successful uprising. All of these are unreasonable.
It's far more likely that because they designed zendikar from the ground up as having hedrons they never considered a hedronless zendikar. Its disappointingly likely that no one even noticed that the kor empire should find the hedrons strange and alien which explains the similarities between their designs.
Also the story is clearly referencing the plane spanning network of hedrons integrated into the leylines.
I'm fine with them saying "the Kor always used strange cryptic patterns in their stone/art work. I am not fine with them saying "The hedrons were built to trap the Eldrazi, the eldrazi came after the fall of the Kor empire. The kor empire had Hedrons."
One of the key reasons Nissa sets the Eldrazi free is because Anowan tells her it would end the Roil. Sorin says that it wouldn't and they should all stop being stupid children and listen to the only adult around, himself.
Next story is up
More of what we already know about Nahiri
Jace has an extremely strange moral view on mind-reading people. Random strangers "no problem", person you actually want to know what they're thinking "only a little but feel bad about it", person who definitely knows exactly what you want to know "No because you already feel bad reading their mind to find out they know what you want to know"
Nissa sounding more and more like a kicked puppy with the occasional mama bear vibe.