Call me a fool, but I don't think Sheoldred or Avacyn are that great.
I don't think you are a fool, it's just a meta call.
From what i have saw, auto-includes are a thing even in less competitive metas.
The sky isn't falling and my meta won't die for sure, but since, as you said, power creep is a thing, i hope they won't print another sheoldred, avacyn or cyclonic rift in the near future.
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
Honestly, i don't know.
Yeah old cards have some serious ***** in it. Lot of broken horrors: fast&furious mana, absurdly cheap tutors, cards that are really easily broken by combo
Yet if you try to make the fairest deck possible, even if you try to get away from this broken *****, you still get the "deckbuilding fatigue" OP talked about.
In my meta we try to be really fair and durdly and so on. No fast mana, no fast tutors, no 2-card combos... generally we try to not win before turn 7-8.
And still when we are making a deck we are like "this slot should be for card X, it's too good no matter what general/strategy i'm playing".
Sheoldred may not be as broken as ancestral recall, but surely way better than any other similar effects. Bye bye reya dawnbringer and debtors' knell. Everytime i make a black deck, i ask myself "why i am not putting sheoldred in?"
Same for white and avacyn
Same for green and craterhoof
Same for blue and cyclonic rift. Recently some friends of mine builded blue decks. One of them had cyclonic rift. After playing it a couple of times, the other ones are like "we should totally jam this on in" even if they are all completely playing different strategies. Right now the only thing preventing my meta from becoming a cyclonic rift ****-fest is its price tag.
Some cards are just way better than the other. You mention standard getting better version of them but i doubt it. Sheoldred is reanimating every turn + killing creatures every turn + an evasive body. Avacyn is indestructible + everything is indestructible + huge, evasive, vigilant body. They are clearly overloaded. Did they broke stand/modern/legacy/vintage? nope. Are they worse than other old cards? nope. But they are still overloaded and so easily included into any deck... they just promote goodstuffing instead of creative deckbuilding.
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
Most of the never-to-be-surpassed cards existed at the format’s inception.
I don't know. Surely old cards had some really broken ass *****cards. But things like Avacyn, Sheoldred or cyclonic rift looks pretty new to me.
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
Carthage may i ask you what do you think the solution is?
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I don't think you are a fool, it's just a meta call.
From what i have saw, auto-includes are a thing even in less competitive metas.
The sky isn't falling and my meta won't die for sure, but since, as you said, power creep is a thing, i hope they won't print another sheoldred, avacyn or cyclonic rift in the near future.
Honestly, i don't know.
Yeah old cards have some serious ***** in it. Lot of broken horrors: fast&furious mana, absurdly cheap tutors, cards that are really easily broken by combo
Yet if you try to make the fairest deck possible, even if you try to get away from this broken *****, you still get the "deckbuilding fatigue" OP talked about.
In my meta we try to be really fair and durdly and so on. No fast mana, no fast tutors, no 2-card combos... generally we try to not win before turn 7-8.
And still when we are making a deck we are like "this slot should be for card X, it's too good no matter what general/strategy i'm playing".
Sheoldred may not be as broken as ancestral recall, but surely way better than any other similar effects. Bye bye reya dawnbringer and debtors' knell. Everytime i make a black deck, i ask myself "why i am not putting sheoldred in?"
Same for white and avacyn
Same for green and craterhoof
Same for blue and cyclonic rift. Recently some friends of mine builded blue decks. One of them had cyclonic rift. After playing it a couple of times, the other ones are like "we should totally jam this on in" even if they are all completely playing different strategies. Right now the only thing preventing my meta from becoming a cyclonic rift ****-fest is its price tag.
Some cards are just way better than the other. You mention standard getting better version of them but i doubt it. Sheoldred is reanimating every turn + killing creatures every turn + an evasive body. Avacyn is indestructible + everything is indestructible + huge, evasive, vigilant body. They are clearly overloaded. Did they broke stand/modern/legacy/vintage? nope. Are they worse than other old cards? nope. But they are still overloaded and so easily included into any deck... they just promote goodstuffing instead of creative deckbuilding.
I don't know. Surely old cards had some really broken ass *****cards. But things like Avacyn, Sheoldred or cyclonic rift looks pretty new to me.