People have already started buying up cards for the format. Siege Rhino went from $1 to $4 two days after the announcement. A lot of high volume buyout gambling is happening right now. Makes me not want to even bother with the format. At this point they can print Pioneer Masters in Summer 2020 or just forget about the format. I also don't feel like playing against Siege Rhino anymore. Everyone was trilled when it was gone.
prices will stabilize, but i absolutely agree. people in this very thread have complained about the cost to get into modern, and this will be no different in very short order. they can't just go and reprint tons of stuff without adversely effecting standard so they forced themselves yet again into a corner where they won't do anything about the secondary market but it consistently causes a problem because of their approach to reprints
Every card in pioneer is also in modern. Once they do another modern masters they can reprint pioneer stuff.
The only cards that I think need banning are probably Dig through time and Deathrite Shaman. There isn't a single format where those two cards should exist.
No Fetchs = DRS is just a Grim Lavamancer that can't kill creatures. In RTR Standard it hardly saw any play, even in the mono B devotion decks. Why DRS was good in legacy? It was a birds of paradise (fetchs) that could attack + be a answear to Snapcaster mage + be a answear to vengevine+phoenix(hsrdly)+reanimator strategies. From my point of view DRS is just a bad card in pioneer. No, really in RTR standard it was just a sideboard card (that saw play in modern and legacy) it was hardly a main deck card. People need to see more the reassons for bans.
Over time, we've seen a reduction in diversity of blue-based non-combo decks, with what were once more differentiated aggressive, midrange, and controlling archetypes condensing into a similar core of the strongest cards. Deathrite Shaman's powerful mana-fixing capability allows these decks to commonly play up to four colors, choosing from the most efficient cards in the environment. Its flexible abilities allow the decks to easily switch between aggressive and controlling stances, making them difficult to attack. Additionally, the incidental graveyard hate provided by Deathrite Shaman's abilities automatically protect against offbeat strategies like Dredge and Reanimator without requiring deck-building concessions against the rest of the metagame.
Different flavors of black-green decks have recently been among the best-performing decks in Modern. These decks play many very efficient ways to trade cards one for one with their opponents, such as Thoughtseize, Inquisition of Kozilek, and Abrupt Decay. Strong mana acceleration helps these decks trade one for one efficiently enough that they can keep up with the other decks in a large format such as Modern, but normally playing mana acceleration comes at the cost of playing cards that are less powerful in the late game. Deathrite Shaman, however, is powerful at all stages of the game. Having a strong attrition-based deck as a large portion of the metagame makes it difficult for decks that are based on synergies between cards instead of individually powerful cards. We believe that removing Deathrite Shaman from the format will leave more room for future innovation.
From all these the strong mana acceleration factor comes from a turn 1 DRS into turn 2 with a fetch in the graveyard (soo you can add a mana) turning into a "bird of paradise" that has some value late game. Without fetchs you will hardly have extra mana on turn 2, looking at it this way DRS is worse than gilded goose early game, and outside of having a easy time with graveyard strategies (mostly reanimator and phoenix like cards)(as long as you keep your mana open) the goose is more relevant if you look at all stages of the game.
For DTT i would fear both DTT and TC (Treasure Cruise). Maybe TC has way more chances to be banned (and add another format to its long ban list xD) and i will add that if they ban it it will be due to a strong blue-red tempo deck using it (again). The only good thing about delver in the format is (again) the lack of fetchs but even soo people will still play those cards even if they will only play them on turn 5+.
Over the past several months, the strategic diversity of Legacy has been diminished. Blue decks using Dig Through Time and various combo decks have occupied a greater portion of the metagame, pushing a lot of other decks out of the competitive scene. The problem is that other strategies tend to lose to the blue decks too frequently; they used to be more competitive, but now they fall behind when the blue decks reload for two mana using Dig Through Time. Dig Through Time is banned.
Decks playing the powerful card drawers have been winning a lot, and pushing a lot of other decks down in competitive play. Blue-Red Delver decks, playing efficient creatures, card drawers, burn, and some permission spells have been the most successful. Also, decks focused on more burn, or combination decks using Jeskai Ascendancy, have done well. However, as these decks have occupied a large portion of the competitive metagame, the overall variety of successful decks has been suppressed. It is imbalanced enough that Wizards of the Coast has decided to act. In Modern, these cards are easy replacements for one another—while a Delver deck might use Treasure Cruise over Dig Through Time, banning one but not the other would do little to change the deck. Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise are banned.
Blue-Red Delver decks have been so successful at tournament play that they are hurting the diversity of the format. While other decks can have some success, the diversity is significantly less than it had been. Treasure Cruise is banned.
Well with Delve+DRS+Shocks(and the fear of good stuff 4+ colors) i think it is easy to say we will not get fetchlands (originals) in return to return to zendikar, otherwise people must be ready to move their Treasure Cruise+Dig Through Time+DRS...
Well the format will have oficial suport and will be fun to play and brew for a while until the meta is solved, after that it is just another non rotating format with its tier decks, and it is fine. The first 2-3 years this format will be really good.
If we had rotation but a large pool of cards (like a big extended) brewing in the formart would be constant and staples from standard would always be a potential staple of the format even if in the first 1-2 years it saw no play.
I understand that the non rotation aspect is more to alow mtg arena staff to not be overburden of adding cards to the game (pioneer is modern without +- 8 years worth of sets) but as soon as the meta is solved we have to ask "why play this over modern?" and the price tag will probably be very diferent than most of the tier decks of modern.
Lets hope that most of the LGS can profit from this new format.
I would like it as a new extended. Modern is now a "new legacy" but every legal card can be reprinted. This is just a Modern without lots of cards that defined it, it is like a "hey lets do a modern format without the "good cards" from modern"... It is not that it is bad but id hope that the format had more changes than just be a new modern. How about rotation- like a big extended (lots of years), it would be nice to have a 8 years worth of cards format that rotated, this way wizards would always have a "flesh" format to show off as a new modern. Non rotation will only make new staples be discovered and soon after 3-4 years the format be almost like modern is today.
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Every card in pioneer is also in modern. Once they do another modern masters they can reprint pioneer stuff.
No Fetchs = DRS is just a Grim Lavamancer that can't kill creatures. In RTR Standard it hardly saw any play, even in the mono B devotion decks. Why DRS was good in legacy? It was a birds of paradise (fetchs) that could attack + be a answear to Snapcaster mage + be a answear to vengevine+phoenix(hsrdly)+reanimator strategies. From my point of view DRS is just a bad card in pioneer. No, really in RTR standard it was just a sideboard card (that saw play in modern and legacy) it was hardly a main deck card. People need to see more the reassons for bans.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/july-2-2018-banned-and-restricted-update-2018-07-02
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/top-decks/february-3-2014-dci-banned-restricted-list-announcement-2014-02-03
From all these the strong mana acceleration factor comes from a turn 1 DRS into turn 2 with a fetch in the graveyard (soo you can add a mana) turning into a "bird of paradise" that has some value late game. Without fetchs you will hardly have extra mana on turn 2, looking at it this way DRS is worse than gilded goose early game, and outside of having a easy time with graveyard strategies (mostly reanimator and phoenix like cards)(as long as you keep your mana open) the goose is more relevant if you look at all stages of the game.
For DTT i would fear both DTT and TC (Treasure Cruise). Maybe TC has way more chances to be banned (and add another format to its long ban list xD) and i will add that if they ban it it will be due to a strong blue-red tempo deck using it (again). The only good thing about delver in the format is (again) the lack of fetchs but even soo people will still play those cards even if they will only play them on turn 5+.
legacy
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/september-28-2015-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2015-09-28
modern
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/banned-and-restricted-announcement-2015-01-19
Legacy Treasure Cruise (almost 3 8m prior to the ban of DTT in legacy)
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/banned-and-restricted-announcement-2015-01-19
If we had rotation but a large pool of cards (like a big extended) brewing in the formart would be constant and staples from standard would always be a potential staple of the format even if in the first 1-2 years it saw no play.
I understand that the non rotation aspect is more to alow mtg arena staff to not be overburden of adding cards to the game (pioneer is modern without +- 8 years worth of sets) but as soon as the meta is solved we have to ask "why play this over modern?" and the price tag will probably be very diferent than most of the tier decks of modern.
Lets hope that most of the LGS can profit from this new format.