Just popping in to say I’m sorry it took me so long to realise that I wouldn’t be able to focus on this game with what’s going on in life.
I officially requested replacement.
The case for Rhand being scum slash the best Day 2 lunch:
- I think a lot of the votes on him (which were me, tom, vezok, Last, Meg, and an intended vote from KK) were from town, but people cried "oh no speed" and decided it was a bad wagon. Meg is a potential busser.
- Gameflow is pretty weird if he's town. As soon as he gets run up to L-2, KK is suddenly in the spotlight.
- I think Rhand is the best lunch for toDay, both because he's likely to be scum, and because if he isn't, it sheds more light on Day 1 votes.
EoD wagon movement just felt very scum-influenced, and I suspect they were pulling away from Rhand. Town!Rhand gets pushed on early, especially when he's busy, and I think if he were actually town he would have ended up being the D1 lunch.
This is not a case.
1) unless scum piles up on 1 wagon, there is always a lot of town on wagons. That is not an argument for anything.
2) As soon as KK was at L-2, Cantrip was suddenly the spotlight. You’re twisting yesterdays eets to fit your narrative.
3) You want me dead regardless my alignment. Ergo, you’re pushing to get us to lylo.
And then why I want Last to claim, or at least confirm his original vezok check. Personally, I think Last is incredibly scummy by behavior. He's super moody, not really solving, prone to being deliberately unhelpful, traits that are very familiar from his play in Modern. He isn't acting like a villager who knows another villager's alignment, he isn't using that information in any meangingful way, he doesn't even seem to want anyone to pay attention to him. Town!Last doesn't need to wait for an invitation to push the game forward. Which is why I want him to be explicitly clear about his vezok check and that it isn't a gambit. If he's telling the truth, sweet, I'm just misreading him and we can move on. And if not, he needs to die, and this whole post/case needs some serious reworking, aside from maybe the Rhand bits since that's sort of in its own independent bubble.
Vaimes knows LW is town.
Seeing as how I seriously shot town in the foot by killing KCC last game, I don't really want to jump the gun in scumreading her. But if I'm right about Emiko and KJ being town, then that only leaves four people, three of which are scum.
Why is Emiko town?
Speaking of Emiko, I think if Rhand were town he would've voiced more concern about her alignment earlier. She quickly gathered a lot of newbtown townreads on D1 and he kind of didn't really address it, but now wants to say she's acting like textbook scum.
With this smear you convinced me completely.
Why would I be questioning Emiko earlier over something he did EOD?!?
@Megs / KCC: what in that post of Vaimes makes you think he’s town?
@Vaimes: tom was 1-shot and I am assuming LW is vanilla apart from the N0 check.
That’s 2 alignment checks of which one can (and did) result in a town death. That in no way means there can’t be another investigative, maybe also with a limitation. And that doesn’t rule out the existence of something like a doc or bodyguard.
Wanting a PR to CC LW is just silly.
@Megs: it’s a low complexity mini. Not exactly a basic but close.
also @Vaimes: if you think megs is scum, then why tell what you didn’t want to share yet when he asks for it?
I only mentioned it to highlight the fact that I still need to read, in case anyone fired off any questions when Day started. And then nobody posted until I went to bed, and I work all day today.
We’re gonna talk through some stuff. I came out with Meg being more likely scum than Cantrip, so I deffo want that hashed out @vezok.
Last being a PR means 1) if there’s another info role, obviously CC, 2) otherwise game is kind of easy if KJ and Emiko are town.
Obviously CC? Why would a N0 cop and another investigative be mutually exclusive?
A N0 cop is basically a weaker version of masons (no chat and only 1-way confirmation)
To me that tell you who your buddies are thing feels very townie.
And that reasoning of putting it in thread instead of just contacting Bur makes sense.
I am convinced on Vaimes though, so I’m probably biased.
The only thing that gives me a bit of pause in my current worldview is a post by Cantrip where he says “If you or Meg flips scum, >rand chance the two of you are buddies.” to Vezok.
When scum posts something like this, there is generally a buddy involved, which wouldn’t be true in a Vaimes / Cantrip / Emiko world.
On Emiko:
He voted Koolkoal, calling it the best wagon, removed himself from the wagon on town when it got close to lynch, then voted Cantrip, saying he prefers him over KoolKoal without providing reasoning while the last time he mentioned Cantrip (354), he calls him ok.
Then he tries to deadline hammer the townie.
That’s scum behavior 101, trying to distance from the town lynch to then hammer it to be sure it goes through.
And would make loads of sense with Cantrip as buddy as that’s where scum like to park their vote.
Something came up and now I’m in town on the phone with my notes on my laptop on the ship... sigh.
The biggest pro I saw in the half iso of Cantrip that I could read before I got called away is that he seems to try to form an opinion on everyone. I haven’t kept tabs on how often he interacts with who, but he seems to have questions for / talks about most everyone.
The biggest con would be his Megs read. His vote and his restatement later of why he voted seem not to match.
If someone could provide quotes for that, that would be awesome. The restatement was in a bigger post, I think as answer to KJ.
There was also something somewhere which made me think that if he’s scum, it has to be woth eother megs or Vezok.
I’m not sure if I’ll be back at my pc before deadline.
I officially requested replacement.
If I don’t manage to invest time in this tomorrow, I will replace out.
This is not a case.
1) unless scum piles up on 1 wagon, there is always a lot of town on wagons. That is not an argument for anything.
2) As soon as KK was at L-2, Cantrip was suddenly the spotlight. You’re twisting yesterdays eets to fit your narrative.
3) You want me dead regardless my alignment. Ergo, you’re pushing to get us to lylo.
Vaimes knows LW is town.
Why is Emiko town?
With this smear you convinced me completely.
Why would I be questioning Emiko earlier over something he did EOD?!?
@Megs / KCC: what in that post of Vaimes makes you think he’s town?
That’s 2 alignment checks of which one can (and did) result in a town death. That in no way means there can’t be another investigative, maybe also with a limitation. And that doesn’t rule out the existence of something like a doc or bodyguard.
Wanting a PR to CC LW is just silly.
@Megs: it’s a low complexity mini. Not exactly a basic but close.
also @Vaimes: if you think megs is scum, then why tell what you didn’t want to share yet when he asks for it?
Obviously CC? Why would a N0 cop and another investigative be mutually exclusive?
A N0 cop is basically a weaker version of masons (no chat and only 1-way confirmation)
And that reasoning of putting it in thread instead of just contacting Bur makes sense.
I am convinced on Vaimes though, so I’m probably biased.
Why not? He has been calling LW scum all Day 1.
Did you read my post on Emiko just above yours?
When scum posts something like this, there is generally a buddy involved, which wouldn’t be true in a Vaimes / Cantrip / Emiko world.
He voted Koolkoal, calling it the best wagon, removed himself from the wagon on town when it got close to lynch, then voted Cantrip, saying he prefers him over KoolKoal without providing reasoning while the last time he mentioned Cantrip (354), he calls him ok.
Then he tries to deadline hammer the townie.
That’s scum behavior 101, trying to distance from the town lynch to then hammer it to be sure it goes through.
And would make loads of sense with Cantrip as buddy as that’s where scum like to park their vote.
You were voting megs yourself, are voting me now, it is tom who started that counterwagon.
Unless your team is exactly me, Megiddo, Cantrip, this post makes no sense at all.
Megiddo (3): Cantripmancer, Killjoy, Vaimes
Cantripmancer (3): tomsloger, Megiddo, EmikoYuriemoto
tomsloger (1): Silvercrys3467
Not Voting (1): KoolKoal
Blue town, light blue townreads, grey nullread, orange scumreads.
Vezok would be grey without LW’s claim.
Not touching Megiddo with a 10 foot pole.
@LW: My read on Vaimes hasn’t changed.
vote Vaimes
@KCC: can you provide a readslist? I went through your iso last Night and you only ever talked about KoolKoal for a very long time.
@KJ: what sounds fake about LW’s post? I’m not seeing that.
I’m thinking Vaimes / Cantrip / Emiko.
I will continue that reread I started yesterDay over the next days.
The biggest pro I saw in the half iso of Cantrip that I could read before I got called away is that he seems to try to form an opinion on everyone. I haven’t kept tabs on how often he interacts with who, but he seems to have questions for / talks about most everyone.
The biggest con would be his Megs read. His vote and his restatement later of why he voted seem not to match.
If someone could provide quotes for that, that would be awesome. The restatement was in a bigger post, I think as answer to KJ.
There was also something somewhere which made me think that if he’s scum, it has to be woth eother megs or Vezok.
I’m not sure if I’ll be back at my pc before deadline.
I'm going to ISO Cantrip instead.