So, normal is, in a world full of Fae, Giants, Elves, etc., there is exactly one black woman who is Queen? That’s out of place. There is no context. Where the hell did she come from? If she was a purple elf, and there were no other elves present, I would be asking the same damn question.
So to reiterate, for those in the back, where the f*** are the rest of the people that share her characteristics? That’s the point. That is what leads me to believe she is only there to check a damn box. In what world is there exactly one person who looks/acts as they do?
Color aside, let’s say she speaks freaking French. Would that make a lick of sense? I’d want to know why.
My question isn’t why is she black, it’s why is she the only black person depicted in this set. That’s normal? There’s what, ~250 cards in this set? It’s normal to reserve 1-3 card slots for art with PoC? By my count, there exactly 3 that clearly depict a PoC in the art. None in crowds.
You people sit up here and bang the drum of “good job wizards”, yet I’m like, ok you could’ve done more. You don’t normalize anything by introducing in small doses. Give this women some staying power here. Give her a reason to exist.
Again, sh***y human beings, all of you. Hell, you judged me and you don’t even know me. That tells me all I need to know about you.
You truly have been on the receiving end of some pretty big injustices here. I'm just sitting here shaking my head at what you had to go through. If there's anything I can do, let me know. You've been through some s****y stuff on this thread page, been judged and whatnot. Shame on all these people. Shame on them.
Thank you, your thinly veiled sarcasm truly adds to this discussion. I mean, by all accounts, you truly are a beacon of support here and we should all learn a thing or two from it.
@gutterstorm makes a valid point, but not in the way they had expected. They could literally be any color, so what is the significance here? Why not a Latino? Asian? Or anything in between? What separates her from her peers?
No actually that’s exactly the point I was making. Her race isn’t relevant. It’s not relevant to her individual character or any tropes she could be portraying. The same way it’s fine to have female knights because gender isn’t relevant to them or the dictions that inspire them. They could be any race, gender or sex and it wouldn’t matter. It’s not like, because she’s dark skinned she’s been through the same thing black people in our world have. I’m not going to go into the ridiculousness of “representation other than to say that if you need someone to look like you in order to empathize with their struggles and journey or to think that you could achieve similarly then that’s a deficiency in you and no one else. Skin color doesn’t matter.
So this makes the point I was making. I’m not saying that she needs a tragic backstory. But, is it not reasonable to ask why she is who she is? She is a legendary creature after all. There has to be a reason they chose a black woman to be the Twins step-mother, meaning she’s queen. Married to a white man. I’m not suggesting there be incredible detail, but you’ve chosen to cross a handful of barriers, there should be a level of significance to it. If you’re cool with checked boxes, that’s fine. But, I can assure you that’s not the same as respresentation.
Must utterly disagree. Part of normalizing things like racial diversity is... you know... not bringing up things like "why was she married to a white man?"
Straight up, pointing out that there simply must be reasons for these details, that there has to be significance to justify its inclusion, flat out continues to other marginalized people. It's very much akin to pointing out that a marriage is interracial or that a couple has a "gay marriage" instead of, you know, just... these two people are married, no more context needed, that continues to highlight them as other, and not simply people who are existing as people doing things people do all the time.
By not explaining it as being something that requires a reason in any way, it's far more inclusive and presented as simply a normal part of this world. Women are knights, a black woman is married to a white man. None of it is explained, because it's all just a normal part of life on Eldraine. You know, like fairies flying around and giants stomping about and food coming to life and having sentience is just a normal part of life on this world.
The wildest part is... guess what virtually never needs an explanation for why it is in stories and worlds like this? Fairies, and giants, and living, sentient food. They're allowed to be just a normal part of this world, to simply exist within the world, without any explanation needed. But gender and racial diversity? Nah. That simply must have an explanation to justify it existing.
Being his wife doesn't necessarily give her the authority of the High King. Really depends on the laws of the land, so it can't be assumed the wife of the High King has the same authority over the five courts as the High King.
It still makes her Queen of the High Court. It also means he is king, both of the High Court and Ardenvale(Hence why he is monowhite with 5 activated abilities not 5 color) Thus, hypothetically, she would have higher authority than the rulership of the other four courts. She could have had either design and it be an accurate portrayal of her character. They wanted her to fit into the ruler cycle and made Kennreth special because he was the BaB. The honest shame is that they didn't put some of the more minor characters on the uncommon legends. I.E. Syr Cato for the White uncommon Knight.
BTW for those who don't mind spoilers or don't intend to read the book you can find a pretty good summary here. (from this guys point of view the book isn't that much more worth a read than the WAR book was.)
This may come as a shock, but a queen, even the highest queen in a realm, often did NOT have all the powers of the king, especially if the king had a living oldest heir (in the real world usually male heir), and especially if she was not the blood mother of the heir(s). Such a queen would act, at best, as a regent, and answerable to the Lords and to the Crown Prince, without anything near the full powers of the monarchy herself. This is not always the case, but often enough. And we do not know what the laws and courtly rules of Eldraine are, so we still cannot say that Linden herself had the same power over the other Courts of Eldraine, simply because she's the High King's wife.
In a huge number of societies, Will and/or Rowan would have the power of the throne, and NOT a stepmother queen. So really, it's not at all unreasonable to think Kennreth's abilities represent his power as the High King alone, and having nothing to do with the knightly quests he and Linden apparently undertook in younger days, nor that anyone who's not the High King would NOT have such abilities.
That being said, is that what the five color-activated abilities on Kennreth for sure represent? Or is that simply supposition?
Because--without reading the novel, granted--it makes 100% perfect sense that the High King of the realms has those five different color-based abilities simply because he is the monarch in control of all five mana-color-based Courts of Eldraine. As in, he quite literally has the political authority over and the power to command the use of all five courts of the realm with his word alone by virtue of being the High King, and those activated abilities represent his bringing to bear the power of a given court and its associated virtue (so loyalty for the white court, knowledge for blue, persistence for black, courage for red, and strength for the green court).
Not because he's undergone all the trials, but simply due to his political position. If the king of another court was the High King, I suspect they, too, would have five colored abilities to represent that authority over the five courts of Eldraine feudalism.
Linden is his wife... sssssoooooooooo.......... yes?
Being his wife doesn't necessarily give her the authority of the High King. Really depends on the laws of the land, so it can't be assumed the wife of the High King has the same authority over the five courts as the High King.
Why is everyone mentioning her "needing" to be four colors? Isn't she quite literally the queen of the White Court of Ardenvale, as opposed to the
Black Court of Lochthwain, the Blue Court of Vantress, the Green Court of Garenbrig, and the Red Court of Embereth? So like... she actually represents the monarchy in control of the literally-white-mana-associated court of loyalty within the feudal structure of Eldraine. Why would she be four colors?
In the book, whilst questing in their youth, Kennreth and Linden sought to acquire knighthoods in all 5 kingdoms. Kennreth achieved this. Linden only got 4. For Kennreth this is reflected in his card having abilities abilites reflecting this. People just want to see such threads carried all the way through.
Ah, okay. That makes some sense, I suppose.
That being said, is that what the five color-activated abilities on Kennreth for sure represent? Or is that simply supposition?
Because--without reading the novel, granted--it makes 100% perfect sense that the High King of the realms has those five different color-based abilities simply because he is the monarch in control of all five mana-color-based Courts of Eldraine. As in, he quite literally has the political authority over and the power to command the use of all five courts of the realm with his word alone by virtue of being the High King, and those activated abilities represent his bringing to bear the power of a given court and its associated virtue (so loyalty for the white court, knowledge for blue, persistence for black, courage for red, and strength for the green court).
Not because he's undergone all the trials, but simply due to his political position. If the king of another court was the High King, I suspect they, too, would have five colored abilities to represent that authority over the five courts of Eldraine feudalism.
i get that she is part of a cycle
but storywise this doesnt fit, right ?
i mean the king is also white with 5 color abilities to mirror his 5 knighthoods. i get that they dont want to make her a cheap copy. so why not make her a 4 color creature instead (like a new atraxa). i am sure they got plenty other legends in the story to fill the role for the white card in the cycle
Why is everyone mentioning her "needing" to be four colors? Isn't she quite literally the queen of the White Court of Ardenvale, as opposed to the
Black Court of Lochthwain, the Blue Court of Vantress, the Green Court of Garenbrig, and the Red Court of Embereth? So like... she actually represents the monarchy in control of the literally-white-mana-associated court of loyalty within the feudal structure of Eldraine. Why would she be four colors?
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Huh, is she? I'm afraid I hadn't noticed that. Nor other people of color mixed in.
Must utterly disagree. Part of normalizing things like racial diversity is... you know... not bringing up things like "why was she married to a white man?"
Straight up, pointing out that there simply must be reasons for these details, that there has to be significance to justify its inclusion, flat out continues to other marginalized people. It's very much akin to pointing out that a marriage is interracial or that a couple has a "gay marriage" instead of, you know, just... these two people are married, no more context needed, that continues to highlight them as other, and not simply people who are existing as people doing things people do all the time.
By not explaining it as being something that requires a reason in any way, it's far more inclusive and presented as simply a normal part of this world. Women are knights, a black woman is married to a white man. None of it is explained, because it's all just a normal part of life on Eldraine. You know, like fairies flying around and giants stomping about and food coming to life and having sentience is just a normal part of life on this world.
The wildest part is... guess what virtually never needs an explanation for why it is in stories and worlds like this? Fairies, and giants, and living, sentient food. They're allowed to be just a normal part of this world, to simply exist within the world, without any explanation needed. But gender and racial diversity? Nah. That simply must have an explanation to justify it existing.
This may come as a shock, but a queen, even the highest queen in a realm, often did NOT have all the powers of the king, especially if the king had a living oldest heir (in the real world usually male heir), and especially if she was not the blood mother of the heir(s). Such a queen would act, at best, as a regent, and answerable to the Lords and to the Crown Prince, without anything near the full powers of the monarchy herself. This is not always the case, but often enough. And we do not know what the laws and courtly rules of Eldraine are, so we still cannot say that Linden herself had the same power over the other Courts of Eldraine, simply because she's the High King's wife.
In a huge number of societies, Will and/or Rowan would have the power of the throne, and NOT a stepmother queen. So really, it's not at all unreasonable to think Kennreth's abilities represent his power as the High King alone, and having nothing to do with the knightly quests he and Linden apparently undertook in younger days, nor that anyone who's not the High King would NOT have such abilities.
Being his wife doesn't necessarily give her the authority of the High King. Really depends on the laws of the land, so it can't be assumed the wife of the High King has the same authority over the five courts as the High King.
Ah, okay. That makes some sense, I suppose.
That being said, is that what the five color-activated abilities on Kennreth for sure represent? Or is that simply supposition?
Because--without reading the novel, granted--it makes 100% perfect sense that the High King of the realms has those five different color-based abilities simply because he is the monarch in control of all five mana-color-based Courts of Eldraine. As in, he quite literally has the political authority over and the power to command the use of all five courts of the realm with his word alone by virtue of being the High King, and those activated abilities represent his bringing to bear the power of a given court and its associated virtue (so loyalty for the white court, knowledge for blue, persistence for black, courage for red, and strength for the green court).
Not because he's undergone all the trials, but simply due to his political position. If the king of another court was the High King, I suspect they, too, would have five colored abilities to represent that authority over the five courts of Eldraine feudalism.
Why is everyone mentioning her "needing" to be four colors? Isn't she quite literally the queen of the White Court of Ardenvale, as opposed to the
Black Court of Lochthwain, the Blue Court of Vantress, the Green Court of Garenbrig, and the Red Court of Embereth? So like... she actually represents the monarchy in control of the literally-white-mana-associated court of loyalty within the feudal structure of Eldraine. Why would she be four colors?