Second creature spell for turn is being cast and what if supplier mills a vengevine on its dies trigger I'm wondering does this vengvine see the demon and trigger to come back?
vengevine is a cast trigger so the new vengevine milled from supplier will not trigger because DDG is already been cast.
Turn 1 Stitcher Supplier mill 3 Vengevines xD. Turn 2 Lazotep Reaver. Sac 3 and play Demon of Deaths Gate to trigger Vengevines. That’s the nut draw id think.
with that stitcher's mill then the nut would be a walking ballista for 0 to trigger vengevine T1
hmmm, demon of death's gate looks interesting and i might try jam a few games with it on xmage and i'll surely include lazotep reaver in there. i really like lazotep reaver (you can see it in my latest dredgevine revision, though it's for budget purposes consideration for bloodghast) lazotep + token with cryptbreaker is enough to activate draw card, the token and lazotep itself can be fed to carrion feeder.
i've tried death's shadow before with mainboard thoughtseize and streetwraith to manipulate my lifepoints, my findings at that time is that i'm not progressing my plans as an aggro deck if i play thoughtseize at my early turns and i don't think it would be viable right now because modern is so much faster today: (mono red prowess / phoenix / dredge) and chalice for 1 and blastzone.
hi! you might get some idea with my pre-hogaak list: https://deckstats.net/decks/121773/1200683-dredgevine/en?revision=2.
the X-cmc creature element is still here to enable a faster vengevine trigger, the list is also capable of casting T2 Gurmag Angler and an explosive T2 with multiple vengevines + gurmag is a possiblity. the only missing element here is the evasion ability which hogaak has.
vengevine is a cast trigger so the new vengevine milled from supplier will not trigger because DDG is already been cast.
i've tried death's shadow before with mainboard thoughtseize and streetwraith to manipulate my lifepoints, my findings at that time is that i'm not progressing my plans as an aggro deck if i play thoughtseize at my early turns and i don't think it would be viable right now because modern is so much faster today: (mono red prowess / phoenix / dredge) and chalice for 1 and blastzone.
Edit: here's my decklist from back then when i tried death's shadow: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/established-modern/aggro-tempo/648449-dredgevine?page=70#c2051
the X-cmc creature element is still here to enable a faster vengevine trigger, the list is also capable of casting T2 Gurmag Angler and an explosive T2 with multiple vengevines + gurmag is a possiblity. the only missing element here is the evasion ability which hogaak has.
if you're interested you may also read the long history of dredgevine deck: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/established-modern/aggro-tempo/648449-dredgevine. skaab ruinator was considered along time ago but it proves to be slow back then, not sure if the tools we have today can support it. the cards i'm looking to consider for a sultai build would be: birds of paradise / bazaar trademage.