Here’s my thoughts on what you said, this was posted in another thread. By me.
At this point, it’s laughable for anybody not to see the Iona ban for what it really was.
Sheldon went so far as to say himself the banlist is expected to be kept short. Do you really think that it would be in the best interest of the format to ban a metric sh** ton of cards to make the point of “hey, don’t be a dick”? That’s what Iona is. A dick move. She adds absolutely nothing to the games she gets played in. Are there better, easier, more efficient options? Damn Skippy. But, when you’re crafting that deck to take out to some group of friends or to-be acquaintances, you should remember that Iona is banned because she’s a fun-suck. So don’t be a fun-suck. If the people you’ve played with for years don’t care about fun-sucking, or thrive on the sucking of fun, then go ahead, play Winter Orb and Friends. Hell, even ask if you can play Iona herself. There is literally nobody stopping you, not even the RC.
There doesn’t have to be an arms race. We are all out here competing for absolutely nothing. At least the people who the format is catered to, anyways.
It doesn’t address your points directly, but still relevant.
You can apply the same logic to the Paradox Engine ban, though I still believe there are worse offenders(and no, not Dramatic Reversal).
ok but whats the difference between locking the players out of a color temporarily and just removing them from the game in general? 9 mana is a lot and there are other cards that can just end it for people at that amount of mana. Sure after a few turns if she sticks the mono color person will lose but thats true with any other bomb that can end people and not dealt with right away.
Sure if they are mono color they may not be able to cast color spells but are still in the game (can still play lands and other color/colorless spells, attack/block, use ability's). Also Targeting a player with effects is not new. I have been targeted by LD to the point i could not do anything but still in the game, at least with Iona i have a chance of doing things once its removed, with LD if im not drawing land im not doing anything. and even if i am drawing land id be so far behind that id be most likly dead before i get up to speed. whats the difference between blowing up my land and not being able to cast one color
As far as other player's protecting Iona i have yet to see it, and if people are the mono color must have been a threat that they need to be removed/killed.
I get that the card can be strong and even overbearing at times but there are other cards that could just end the players. I find it hard to Ban a card that just dies to removal and dose not end games. As far as Meta's not suited to that card that goes back to adapt/updating your deck or change your power level of the deck to match others around you.
It’s not just oppressive to Mono-Colored decks. You can hit all of the decks at the table, depending on what’s being played. So, beyond just running colorless answers, you’d better have an answer at the table that isn’t the chosen color.
It’s asymmetrical hate that just sucks the fun right out of the table. It doesn’t need any more reason than that. You aren’t actively working to break the symmetry like you do with Stax, or MLD, or whatever else you want to compare it to.
I guess the best way to break it down is this. Would you slot Winter Orb into any deck? JustWinter Orb. Without BS’ing, the answer is going to be a resounding no. Because it doesn’t do nearly enough on its own to justify playing it by itself. Iona, though, does find its way into decklists not designed to be oppressive, like Angel Tribal. Or Ramp decks. Or Reanimator decks. Decks that routinely pop up at low to mid powered tables.
It’s one of the cards that just needs to be a casualty of the format being designed for casual play.
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It doesn’t address your points directly, but still relevant.
You can apply the same logic to the Paradox Engine ban, though I still believe there are worse offenders(and no, not Dramatic Reversal).
It’s not just oppressive to Mono-Colored decks. You can hit all of the decks at the table, depending on what’s being played. So, beyond just running colorless answers, you’d better have an answer at the table that isn’t the chosen color.
It’s asymmetrical hate that just sucks the fun right out of the table. It doesn’t need any more reason than that. You aren’t actively working to break the symmetry like you do with Stax, or MLD, or whatever else you want to compare it to.
I guess the best way to break it down is this. Would you slot Winter Orb into any deck? Just Winter Orb. Without BS’ing, the answer is going to be a resounding no. Because it doesn’t do nearly enough on its own to justify playing it by itself. Iona, though, does find its way into decklists not designed to be oppressive, like Angel Tribal. Or Ramp decks. Or Reanimator decks. Decks that routinely pop up at low to mid powered tables.
It’s one of the cards that just needs to be a casualty of the format being designed for casual play.