Can someone cite some rule(s) for this? I did before asking the question consider rule 509.1 and it is what made me confused about it.
As in, the wording of Shinen of life's roar seems to be one requirement that is satisfied if all creatures able to block it does so (because that is what the card says). In that case, it would be valid to block just the bear with the bear that got hunt down (in my example), because both my bears blocking shinen would satisfy 1 requirement (shinens) and blocking the bear with the hunt down bear (no matter what the other bear was doing) would satisfy 1 requirement (the one made by hunt down).
Seemingly, from what everybody are saying (which was also my first thought before I got unsure) Shinen makes multiple requirements even though the text says something else. Which rule does that?
Here's how this situation works per rule 509.1:
- Shinen of Life's Roar's static ability creates a blocking requirement that requires all creatures that are able to block it to do so.
- Hunt Down creates another blocking requirement that one target creature (your bear) must block another target creature (their bear) if able.
- Barring any other blocking restrictions (such as creatures being unable to block, only being able to block if a cost is paid, or being tapped), the only way to satisfy all blocking restrictions in this scenario is for one of your bears to block Shinen of Life's Roar and for the other bear targeted by Hunt Down to block your opponent's bear. Any creatures that can't block simply don't block anything.
- A creature can only block one creature unless that creature has an ability that allows it to block multiple creatures in combat, and none of the creatures in this scenario do, so this is the only legal blocking arrangement based on the board state you presented. If a creature is already blocking a creature, it isn't able to block another creature.
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I am unsure about how many requirements certain cards make.
Say, the relevant cards are an attacking grizzly bears and Shinen of Life's Roar and I have 2 grizzly bears's and I play hunt down (given flash in some arbitrary way, say Teferi, Time raveler) on one of my bears and his bear. If I block the bear with the bear I used hunt down on, can I leave the Shinen unblocked?
The question is in essence whether shinen makes one requirement for each creature or just one global requirement.
The natural reading to me is the latter and in that case I also wondered whether this is consistent with invasion plans. If that is just one requirement, then it seems to me to only be satisfied if you blocked with all creatures, if able. It would always seem to fall into the not able case, because you cant block with your oppeonts creatures.
Shinen of Life's Roar creates a global blocking requirement that requires all creatures able to block it do so. If you managed to flash in a Hunt Down targeting one of your Grizzly Bears and your opponent's Grizzly Bears, your other Grizzly Bears must block the Shinen of Life's Roar to satisfy that blocking requirement - you can't choose to leave it unblocked.
The only creatures that wouldn't be able to block in this situation are creatures that simply "can't block" (e.g. Carrion Feeder or tapped creatures), creatures that can block only if a cost is paid (since you aren't forced to pay the cost, even if something like Invasion Plans is affecting the player declaring blockers). A creature can only block if it can satisfy any blocking requirements without violating any blocking restrictions, and creatures that aren't able to block can't do that.
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Here's how this situation works per rule 509.1:
- Shinen of Life's Roar's static ability creates a blocking requirement that requires all creatures that are able to block it to do so.
- Hunt Down creates another blocking requirement that one target creature (your bear) must block another target creature (their bear) if able.
- Barring any other blocking restrictions (such as creatures being unable to block, only being able to block if a cost is paid, or being tapped), the only way to satisfy all blocking restrictions in this scenario is for one of your bears to block Shinen of Life's Roar and for the other bear targeted by Hunt Down to block your opponent's bear. Any creatures that can't block simply don't block anything.
- A creature can only block one creature unless that creature has an ability that allows it to block multiple creatures in combat, and none of the creatures in this scenario do, so this is the only legal blocking arrangement based on the board state you presented. If a creature is already blocking a creature, it isn't able to block another creature.
Shinen of Life's Roar creates a global blocking requirement that requires all creatures able to block it do so. If you managed to flash in a Hunt Down targeting one of your Grizzly Bears and your opponent's Grizzly Bears, your other Grizzly Bears must block the Shinen of Life's Roar to satisfy that blocking requirement - you can't choose to leave it unblocked.
The only creatures that wouldn't be able to block in this situation are creatures that simply "can't block" (e.g. Carrion Feeder or tapped creatures), creatures that can block only if a cost is paid (since you aren't forced to pay the cost, even if something like Invasion Plans is affecting the player declaring blockers). A creature can only block if it can satisfy any blocking requirements without violating any blocking restrictions, and creatures that aren't able to block can't do that.