A bad reason, in the same way having a rule that says "Effects can't prevent players from drawing cards" because the other half of Leovold, Emissary of Trest is fun is a bad rule.
As for the cards that predate the rule... oh wow a terrible punisher version of Jace's Ingenuity and probably the worst of the large Eldrazi. Cool. I can continue never seeing either of those cards ever played. Good thing the RC carved out a space to protect these two random cards, or else we might have had to make due with real, less awful cards..
Great! Quit claiming
Because of a format-specific rule that serves no purpose except to prevent Wishes from working
because that is demonstrably false.
They are not banned for a reason. You don't think that reason matters due to the power of the cards it keeps unbanned. It is still a reason.
Because this specific one doesn’t hold to the declared criteria for banning. Why is this fact being completely ignored, even by the CAD apparently? Every argument in this thread leveled against wishes fails when held to the actual, official reasons for banning. It would make more sense to try out the wishes and then, if any are problematic, ban the offenders. But don’t preban them. The irony of Rule 13 and the apparent hypocrisy that led to it is why I said anything at all. I applaud others in this thread who have done such a superb job of countering emotional arguments with logic and explaining why wishes should be a relevant part of EDH.
They do not fit the ban criteria, thats why they are not banned. I find it hilarious someone is trying to undercut an argument as "emotional" when its about a game. All format specific rules for EDH are subjective, pretending logic is the correct way to determine this is against the whole point. Also there is no irony, its a completely separate set of rules.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
Because of a format-specific rule that serves no purpose except to prevent Wishes from working. At which point the question becomes "why aren't they just banned?" The RC obviously doesn't want Wishes allowed by default (hence the heavy-handed format errata) but if that's the case shouldn't they just be outright banned? Because the rule certainly wasn't put in place to make sure Karn, the Great Creator is still playable seeing as how he was released... what like a week ago, while the Wish rule was put into place at least a decade ago, if not longer.
Your refusal to acknowledge some cards do things besides get cards from outside the game does not stop that from being an actual reason.
The rule has been around for a while, but so have cards that do something else. (EDIT : 2006)
You are using circular logic, and Wishes won't be banned or allowed to work as written.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
Lots of people think Wishes are fun.
Lots of people play them as written without worrying about it.
Lots of people don’t care if they get played.
Any debate involves positing opposing viewpoints but I find this particular list to be subjective to the point of uselessness.
I really enjoy how you cut of the conclusion to the point, then said the post was near pointless. Cool OOC quote
The issue is about the DEFAULT rule. The cleanest, easiest to interpret, most direct to implement should be favored.
The truth is, many people have been using wishboards in EDH for years and I rarely if ever see discussion of it in places like these forums. So it can’t be causing that much trouble.
If you don't see it debated on forums like this, you have not been around much. It comes up all the time, and gets beaten to death no matter how many times the RC says 'wishes do not work', without prearrangement.
That alone argues in favor of making them legal by default, in my opinion.
Because your subjective is better than the opposite subjective? Did I get that right?
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
And would encourage the committee to find fun whereever it can be found. In this case, I think they’ve made a decision out of fear of backlash (and surely convinced themselves it was the smart choice) rather than living up to the spirit of EDH.
The RC has made controversial decisions before, and I have never seen fear be a factor. If anything they take the mantle of 'spirit of EDH' as the basis of the decisions, fear of backlash be darned.
Lots of people don't think Wishes are fun.
Lots of people don't agree on how best to implement them.
Lots of people don't want to be forced to play against them.
If you want to play wishes, its real easy. But that absolutely should not be the baseline rules set for playing with people you do not know.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
EDH has plenty of its own rules that make it unique among formats. Why not one more? One that would be a net positive to the format. Namely, allow the Wishes and Co. to tutor for, oh I don’t know, cards that are outside of the game, just as the OG wish was originally designed for.
Simple rules:
Ask 10 people what those 'simple rules' should be and get 10 different answers.
You want wishes? Get approval before you start, don't force them on the table.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
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They are not banned for a reason. You don't think that reason matters due to the power of the cards it keeps unbanned. It is still a reason.
They do not fit the ban criteria, thats why they are not banned. I find it hilarious someone is trying to undercut an argument as "emotional" when its about a game. All format specific rules for EDH are subjective, pretending logic is the correct way to determine this is against the whole point. Also there is no irony, its a completely separate set of rules.
The rule has been around for a while, but so have cards that do something else. (EDIT : 2006)
You are using circular logic, and Wishes won't be banned or allowed to work as written.
The issue is about the DEFAULT rule. The cleanest, easiest to interpret, most direct to implement should be favored.
If you don't see it debated on forums like this, you have not been around much. It comes up all the time, and gets beaten to death no matter how many times the RC says 'wishes do not work', without prearrangement.
Because your subjective is better than the opposite subjective? Did I get that right?
Lots of people don't think Wishes are fun.
Lots of people don't agree on how best to implement them.
Lots of people don't want to be forced to play against them.
If you want to play wishes, its real easy. But that absolutely should not be the baseline rules set for playing with people you do not know.
You want wishes? Get approval before you start, don't force them on the table.