No, it's not. In the same way "hmm I might be randomly struck by a falling meteor" is not a reason to avoid taking a walk outside. It is so small and inconsequential that it is beyond notice. It is literally a waste of time to even bother considering the merits.
Ergo, if saving 2 bad cards from being banned is the only "reason," I continue to stand by my statement: there is no reason.
Your refusal to acknowledge some cards do things besides get cards from outside the game does not stop that from being an actual reason.
The rule has been around for a while, but so have cards that do something else. (EDIT : 2006)
You are using circular logic, and Wishes won't be banned or allowed to work as written.
A bad reason, in the same way having a rule that says "Effects can't prevent players from drawing cards" because the other half of Leovold, Emissary of Trest is fun is a bad rule.
As for the cards that predate the rule... oh wow a terrible punisher version of Jace's Ingenuity and probably the worst of the large Eldrazi. Cool. I can continue never seeing either of those cards ever played. Good thing the RC carved out a space to protect these two random cards, or else we might have had to make due with real, less awful cards.
What will happen and what should happen are often different. That doesn't change anything.
Also, banning them outright disallows people who do currently enjoy them and blanket legalization foists them upon people who don't wanna worry about super tutors with their own sideboards. Saying they formally do nothing is actually a kind of brilliant; it's hardline enough to keep wishes out of most games, but built on stuff flimsy enough for the people who do really want them to generate conversations and arguments with their lgs or playgroups about letting wishes fly.
Black and white is very clear, but gray stuff can be fine too.
This is literally why they just added Rule 0. If you want to play them you have to houserule them. Them being fake banned or actually banned doesn't change that.
Thats the problem with wishes They are not working how they are supposed to in sanctioned events (Wotc uses a format specific errata as in only sideboard cards) and the RC want to use the same errata whilst having no sideboard.
Why do you want it on the banlist if they don't allow for search all though? You said Fractured Powerstone works as intended but it does not its a special errata for the card that says "In non-Planechase games, Fractured Powerstone’s second ability will have no effect. " because if it works as intended you should be able to roll the planar die anyways since that is exactly what the card says.
The thing that restricts Wishes to only getting cards from your sideboard isn't errata, it's the Tournament Rules. That's it. In any other setting Wishes are, by the rules of the game, allowed to get any card you own from outside the game. Except in EDH, where they have format-specific errata that says they do nothing.
Fractured Powerstone works in the sense that the card does what it's supposed to. It's just that most EDH games don't use Planechase planes, so the second ability is almost always entirely irrelevant. Burning Wish, when cast in any non-tournament setting (i.e. most games of EDH), however, is supposed to allow me to get any sorcery I own from outside the game and put it into my hand. But it doesn't. Because of a format-specific rule that serves no purpose except to prevent Wishes from working. At which point the question becomes "why aren't they just banned?" The RC obviously doesn't want Wishes allowed by default (hence the heavy-handed format errata) but if that's the case shouldn't they just be outright banned? Because the rule certainly wasn't put in place to make sure Karn, the Great Creator is still playable seeing as how he was released... what like a week ago, while the Wish rule was put into place at least a decade ago, if not longer.
Which circles us back around to the original point. If the goal is to make the default option for EDH games "no Wishes allowed" just ban them. It is both simpler and more intuitive to see these cards expressly forbidden than this sort of faux banned state they're in now, in which players are legally allowed to play cards that do nothing despite what the textboxes say.
The simple fact is that the no sideboard rule is a defining format rule, just as other formats have defined sideboards.
You'd think if it was such a defining rule of the format, the word "sideboard" would appear at least once on the Offical Commander Rules website. I certainly couldn't find it. Eh, I'm sure it's not important.
The Problem with that approach is the cards that do more than just wish and that part is fine. You wouldn't wanna ban Fractured Powerstone just because the second ability has no effect , same with Mastermind's Acquisition or Research // Development. So a blanket ban is undesirable. And a specific ban on those who only wish is the single card errata on those that don't. Banning all is only a "clean" solution if you do the same for Fractured Powerstone, draft matters cards.
The only 'real' card that would be hit as collateral is Karn, the Great Creator. The rest are either Wishes, underpowered jank nobody is playing anyways, or have functionally identical counterparts. But all of that is beside the point because this obviously wasn't even a concern for the RC seeing as how most of these cards didn't even exist when they created this rule. Rule 13 is, for all intents and purposes, a ban on Wishes without actually being a ban because that's what it was designed to be.
As for your other suggestions, it's not the same. Fractured Powerstone and draft-matters cards behave exactly how they are supposed to in a game of EDH. Same thing goes with Battle of Wits which people keep mentioning. All of these cards work as the rules say they do. Burning Wish does not. Its rules text has been explicitly removed by the RC. It's essentially format-specific errata, just like Karakas used to have. And we all know what happened there.
A question for everyone complaining about Rule 13 re: Wishes, etc.:
Nothing functionally changed in the rule with this update, so why is everyone getting all argumentative about it now?
Probably because they want wishes to work and this update showed that you guys discussed them and didnt reach a conclusion they liked.
Or, because it continues to be a poor solution. It's the same as if the RC added a hypothetical "Rule 14: Relentless Rats-type effects do not work in Commander." It's an example of the RC going out of their way to remove functionality from cards without actually banning the cards in question because... reasons? It is absurdly close to card-specific errata, and there is simply no reason for it. Either Wishes are fine and should be legal to work how they work, or they're not and they should be banned. There's no middle ground here.
Yet you're quoting a ruling for general unsanctioned play, as defined by WotC. Commander/EDH is still solely in the control of the RC/CAG. WotC just saw a market for it and now makes products for it as another revenue stream.
Please see rules:
4) A Commander deck must contain exactly 100 cards, including the Commander
* to pull cards in from outside the game effectively gives you more than 100 cards, which is against rule 4. Adding a rule to say that wished cards are exiled upon resolution is a less elegant way to handle it. The potential for 101 cards or more in game would violate deck construction and possibly result in a DQ.
13) Abilities which bring card(s) you own from outside the game into the game (such as Wishes; Spawnsire of Ulamog; Karn, the Great Creator) do not function in Commander.
* it now says they don't work to pull cards outside the game, into the game for use.
Seeing as how a large portion of EDH games are unsanctioned pick-up games, I felt it was appropriate to quote the segment about unsanctioned play.
As for the rest of your post, I don't really know what you're getting at. I'm aware that Wishes don't work in EDH, that was the whole reason I spoke up in the first place. I think it makes far more sense to simply outright ban any card that references "outside the game" (even if that means a little bit of collateral damage in the form of "oh no, now I can't play half of Karn, the Great Creator") than to relegate it to the last rule listed which some people may not even see because the only thing they check is if their cards are legal or not. Wishes are, for all intents and purposes, banned. Might as well list them as such.
Paliano, the High City doesn't explain how it doesn't do anything either... Wishes specify outside the game, conspiracy cards specify drafting. I'm seriously not seeing any difference. You're granting that the average EDH player is smart enough to know that draft cards don't work when you don't draft but not that sideboard tutors don't work when there aren't sideboards?
A lot of cards are legal in commander decks that don't have any function. Paliano, the High City is Commander legal but last time I checked I do not draft my Commander deck (even though Commander draft sounds interesting). Don'T put cards in your deck which are bad in the format. It is as simple as that.
Mainly because the card itself should explain that it doesn't function in EDH. Palino (and other draft-matters card) specifically mention being drafted. Wishes don't. As far as I can tell, sideboards aren't mentioned at all on the official commander rules page. The only mention of Wishes not working how one would think they do is tucked away in Rule 13, the last rule, on the "Play" tab. It should be made more clear, either under "Deck Construction" (because it more affects construction than play) or, as I would clearly prefer, under the "Banlist" tab because that's where it makes the most sense.
"Sideboards don't exist in commander, therefore the card does not function."
End of the conversation, there isn't a "no, but" required.
Except the card is legal to play. Why?
It's not even mentioned on the ban list page on the "Official Commander Rules" site. Add a section for cards that reference "outside the game" and list them out real quick. That's all that needs to be done.
Between new Karn and Mastermind's Acquisition, Wizards has shown they're open to printing more effects of this type into the game, so increasing the banlist every time one of these gets printed on day 1 is a far less elegant way than simply denying the function full stop.
It really isn't any more elegant. The fact that I am legally allowed to put a card in my deck, cast that card, and then perform exactly zero game actions is as inelegant as it gets. Wishes are effectively banned, they're just not listed on the ban list. That's inelegant. If a new player asks me "is Burning Wish banned" I shouldn't have to say "no, but..." and then a long-winded explanation. That's inelegant.
It is extremely obvious the RC want the Wishes banned but simply don't want to make the banned list look larger. Just bite the bullet and add them to the list.
We reworked Rule 13 due to some ongoing confusion over the “officialness” of sideboards and wish boards. While (here comes Rule 0 again) we support local groups deciding what’s best for themselves in this regard, we wanted to clarify for the broader audience that no one can force you into letting “outside the game” cards work in a different way.
And this continues to be the worst possible option. If you don't want people to use wishes, simply ban them. Having a dozen or so cards legal but with literally no functional game text is just bonkers. Who exactly is this rule for? Isn't this the literal exact reason ya'll made Rule 0 for in the first place?
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Ergo, if saving 2 bad cards from being banned is the only "reason," I continue to stand by my statement: there is no reason.
As for the cards that predate the rule... oh wow a terrible punisher version of Jace's Ingenuity and probably the worst of the large Eldrazi. Cool. I can continue never seeing either of those cards ever played. Good thing the RC carved out a space to protect these two random cards, or else we might have had to make due with real, less awful cards.
What will happen and what should happen are often different. That doesn't change anything.This is literally why they just added Rule 0. If you want to play them you have to houserule them. Them being fake banned or actually banned doesn't change that.
Fractured Powerstone works in the sense that the card does what it's supposed to. It's just that most EDH games don't use Planechase planes, so the second ability is almost always entirely irrelevant. Burning Wish, when cast in any non-tournament setting (i.e. most games of EDH), however, is supposed to allow me to get any sorcery I own from outside the game and put it into my hand. But it doesn't. Because of a format-specific rule that serves no purpose except to prevent Wishes from working. At which point the question becomes "why aren't they just banned?" The RC obviously doesn't want Wishes allowed by default (hence the heavy-handed format errata) but if that's the case shouldn't they just be outright banned? Because the rule certainly wasn't put in place to make sure Karn, the Great Creator is still playable seeing as how he was released... what like a week ago, while the Wish rule was put into place at least a decade ago, if not longer.
Which circles us back around to the original point. If the goal is to make the default option for EDH games "no Wishes allowed" just ban them. It is both simpler and more intuitive to see these cards expressly forbidden than this sort of faux banned state they're in now, in which players are legally allowed to play cards that do nothing despite what the textboxes say.You'd think if it was such a defining rule of the format, the word "sideboard" would appear at least once on the Offical Commander Rules website. I certainly couldn't find it. Eh, I'm sure it's not important.
As for your other suggestions, it's not the same. Fractured Powerstone and draft-matters cards behave exactly how they are supposed to in a game of EDH. Same thing goes with Battle of Wits which people keep mentioning. All of these cards work as the rules say they do. Burning Wish does not. Its rules text has been explicitly removed by the RC. It's essentially format-specific errata, just like Karakas used to have. And we all know what happened there.
As for the rest of your post, I don't really know what you're getting at. I'm aware that Wishes don't work in EDH, that was the whole reason I spoke up in the first place. I think it makes far more sense to simply outright ban any card that references "outside the game" (even if that means a little bit of collateral damage in the form of "oh no, now I can't play half of Karn, the Great Creator") than to relegate it to the last rule listed which some people may not even see because the only thing they check is if their cards are legal or not. Wishes are, for all intents and purposes, banned. Might as well list them as such.
"In a sanctioned event, a card that’s “outside the game” is one that’s in your sideboard. In an unsanctioned event, you may choose any card from your collection."
Yeah. Weird why I might think that.
It's not even mentioned on the ban list page on the "Official Commander Rules" site. Add a section for cards that reference "outside the game" and list them out real quick. That's all that needs to be done.
It is extremely obvious the RC want the Wishes banned but simply don't want to make the banned list look larger. Just bite the bullet and add them to the list.