You just went and glossed over what I also said at the end my post:
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Look I'm still going to enjoy her character even if she is a Sue because I'm not going to let that taint what I view of her. Its kind of like the people who get flustered about her being considered a villain, which she clearly is, but associate that as a negative connotation instead of rolling with it and enjoying the character that way. Nahiri is similar to Liliana in being a villain but can still have fans because they are an interesting character.
This has nothing to do with anything. Nobody is interested in whether you're personally invested in her or not, we're discussing her Sueness. And you jumping to that just seems defensive to me. We're supposed to discuss the sueness and you didn't even do the litmus test right. I assume btw that you're using this test, in which case Onering has the better grasp of the situation. It's also telling that you didn't engage with anything he said and instead posted an unrelated comic.
If you care about the OSP video, you should at least have noticed its core point. The common link between Mary Sue archetypes is that the world revolves around them, in service to whatever their traits are, for the reader to live out a power fantasy. Magic: the Gathering does not revolve around Liliana this way, she has just been a prominent main character recently, which is standard faire in writing. Her capabilities and edgy traits are also near mundane in the Magic universe, meaning she's not the centre of the brand at all.
Don't conflate Mary Sues with main characters. Sueness has to do with a whole world being used to serve a character fantasy. Main characters are just the writing's primary object of interest. The two things are different.
This has nothing to do with anything. Nobody is interested in whether you're personally invested in her or not, we're discussing her Sueness. And you jumping to that just seems defensive to me. We're supposed to discuss the sueness and you didn't even do the litmus test right. I assume btw that you're using this test, in which case Onering has the better grasp of the situation. It's also telling that you didn't engage with anything he said and instead posted an unrelated comic.
If you care about the OSP video, you should at least have noticed its core point. The common link between Mary Sue archetypes is that the world revolves around them, in service to whatever their traits are, for the reader to live out a power fantasy. Magic: the Gathering does not revolve around Liliana this way, she has just been a prominent main character recently, which is standard faire in writing. Her capabilities and edgy traits are also near mundane in the Magic universe, meaning she's not the centre of the brand at all.
Don't conflate Mary Sues with main characters. Sueness has to do with a whole world being used to serve a character fantasy. Main characters are just the writing's primary object of interest. The two things are different.
Educate yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2-GIY9RTqU