I feel like Oubliette's out of color pie for black. A white version would fit the color pie much better.
Definitely, especially the part where it’s an enchantment. But Wizards does need to serve the player base that loves old, quirky cards. Part of eternal formats is exploiting the variations in design technology over the lifespan of the game.
I still think too many people are getting carried away with the notion that the cards in the set will be largely relevant. I expect the clear majority of cards to be filler (makes it a good limited format, don’t ya know!) as with every other set ever printed. We probably have room for three dozen impactful cards at best.
The problem is the original swords are all too powerful for Standard, so if we wanted to get the other half through Standard, they would be weaker. Most people want a compete cycle of similar strength, so this is a much better way to deliver on that request.
Edit: also worth noting that Mirrodin is now New Phyrexia.
Not really too powerful for Standard. A card like Abrade in the format is more than enough to keep them in check. Any time someone spends 5 mana on them just to have the creature removed at instant speed is a significant set back.
War and Peace was the sword for that Standard. Early on, people liked Feast and Famine, but the Squadron Hawk and especially the Delver decks evolved into using mostly War and Peace in their final form. Body and Mind wasn’t used at all.
I hope not. As much as swords are cool for commander/casual 'wasting' 5 mythic slots for cards that are not quite modern playable would be a shame. They're better off being left for an equipment matters commander precon or a battlebond style product
Bear in mind there is no realistic chance that a majority of the set is strong in modern, even at Mythic rarity. That is simply not how Magic sets work. Nobody is playing Balefire Dragon in Modern just because it was a Mythic Rare in Ultimate Masters.
So it wound't hurt to reprint them to modern then. Also Legacy is diferent from Modern so who knows what could happen.
100% agree. I didn’t intend to imply otherwise. I only meant it may be hard to really help Goblins. If they’re underpowered either way, it may not be very satisfying to get those reprints. But they definitely can print them, and in fact underpowered reprints are likely to be the bulk of a set. There isn’t a single set newer than Legends where the cards aren’t mostly bulk priced. This will be no different. So we can expect lots of niche cards and outright garbage (hello, Mon’s Goblin Raiders!).
I would like cards that could help tier 2 or lower moderm decks like for example the goblin decks. Reprinting Goblin Lackey, Goblin Matron and/or Goblin Ringleader would be great for the goblin decks without breaking it.
Goblins is hard to save. It’s not much of a thing in Legacy anymore, right? I don’t follow Legacy closely, but I do look at tournament results from time to time and I haven’t seen much Merfolk or Goblins since Delver became a thing years ago. It’s just the better small creature agro-tempo plan and the same will be true in Modern, I assume.
Would True-Name Nemesis be ok in Moderm? Curious at the candidates for that spot of the strongest blue card.
If you look back over this thread, you will see a lot of predictions both for and against TNN. I’m in the “no” camp, with my biggest reason being the recent Gavin Verhey interview where he stated very clearly that the card never should have been printed. I don’t think they want it anywhere near Modern.
I think a good way to look at Legacy material being in MH1 is to compare cards to the banlist. IfDark Ritualwas on the Modern banlist, would Wizards be ok to unban it ? The answer is obviously NO, and the most superficial reason is that a similar card, Rite of Flame, is on that banlist (of course you can analyse the card and its impact on the format). Check out all the powerful cards this way and you get a quick answer to your expectations.
Unless this set signals a paradigm shift. I think there’s a very real chance they’re aiming to bring Modern more in line with Legacy and they could use this product to raise the power level across the board.
However, how is WOTC planning to address the elephant in the room, ie, the manabases, Modern is pretty much a fetchland+shockland format, Tron notwithstanding. What is a Goblin deck going to do against those manabases?
Ruination could be backbreaking for Modern. In fact, I fear that might make monored too good. We might start seeing more Sacred Ground and Terra Eternal to prevent utter blowouts.
I strongly suspect Wizards will use this entire paradigm shift as a way to make Modern more like Legacy but without the things they don’t want in Magic any more. On very recent Drive to Work podcasts (“Designing Counterspells”), MaRo has talked about the fact that the three things that players least enjoy are counterspells, discard and land destruction. All three are things that entirely prevent the opponent from playing when they get too effective, and that doesn’t make for interesting gameplay.
For this reason, I don’t think we will see Ruination. I also don’t think Hymn to Tourach is likely.
Counterspells are the trickiest, but I’m guessing we won’t see the entire Legacy suite of counters dumped in at once. I like the prediction of Counterspell itself but I’d bet against Daze and Force of Will making an appearance in this first Modern expansion set. Maybe later, depending how things evolve. I doubt we will ever see Mana Drain added to Modern.
It said there’s 249 new cards and there’s 254 total my lad
249 new to Modern, which includes pre-8th edition reprints. The extra five are the basic lands.
Honestly, I think the new cards will be fairly limited in number and there will be a ton of chaff reprints at all rarities under the guise of making it a good limited format.
I don’t think they care about keeping old formats “separate” feeling. This product is essentially the formalized death of Legacy. Wizards already did virtually nothing at all to support it and this is their moment to build Modern into a true Legacy ver 2.0 without the pitfalls of the Reserved List.
You’re the third or fourth person to bring up True Name Nemesis, but just a couple of weeks ago (in the Tolarian Community College interview), Gavin Verhey said they never should have printed the card. I don’t think he would say that just before a high profile set is announced that includes it.
I’m a hard “no way” on whether TNN is in this set.
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Definitely, especially the part where it’s an enchantment. But Wizards does need to serve the player base that loves old, quirky cards. Part of eternal formats is exploiting the variations in design technology over the lifespan of the game.
Not really too powerful for Standard. A card like Abrade in the format is more than enough to keep them in check. Any time someone spends 5 mana on them just to have the creature removed at instant speed is a significant set back.
War and Peace was the sword for that Standard. Early on, people liked Feast and Famine, but the Squadron Hawk and especially the Delver decks evolved into using mostly War and Peace in their final form. Body and Mind wasn’t used at all.
Bear in mind there is no realistic chance that a majority of the set is strong in modern, even at Mythic rarity. That is simply not how Magic sets work. Nobody is playing Balefire Dragon in Modern just because it was a Mythic Rare in Ultimate Masters.
We already have the mill sword in Sword of Body and Mind!
100% agree. I didn’t intend to imply otherwise. I only meant it may be hard to really help Goblins. If they’re underpowered either way, it may not be very satisfying to get those reprints. But they definitely can print them, and in fact underpowered reprints are likely to be the bulk of a set. There isn’t a single set newer than Legends where the cards aren’t mostly bulk priced. This will be no different. So we can expect lots of niche cards and outright garbage (hello, Mon’s Goblin Raiders!).
Goblins is hard to save. It’s not much of a thing in Legacy anymore, right? I don’t follow Legacy closely, but I do look at tournament results from time to time and I haven’t seen much Merfolk or Goblins since Delver became a thing years ago. It’s just the better small creature agro-tempo plan and the same will be true in Modern, I assume.
If you look back over this thread, you will see a lot of predictions both for and against TNN. I’m in the “no” camp, with my biggest reason being the recent Gavin Verhey interview where he stated very clearly that the card never should have been printed. I don’t think they want it anywhere near Modern.
Unless this set signals a paradigm shift. I think there’s a very real chance they’re aiming to bring Modern more in line with Legacy and they could use this product to raise the power level across the board.
I strongly suspect Wizards will use this entire paradigm shift as a way to make Modern more like Legacy but without the things they don’t want in Magic any more. On very recent Drive to Work podcasts (“Designing Counterspells”), MaRo has talked about the fact that the three things that players least enjoy are counterspells, discard and land destruction. All three are things that entirely prevent the opponent from playing when they get too effective, and that doesn’t make for interesting gameplay.
For this reason, I don’t think we will see Ruination. I also don’t think Hymn to Tourach is likely.
Counterspells are the trickiest, but I’m guessing we won’t see the entire Legacy suite of counters dumped in at once. I like the prediction of Counterspell itself but I’d bet against Daze and Force of Will making an appearance in this first Modern expansion set. Maybe later, depending how things evolve. I doubt we will ever see Mana Drain added to Modern.
249 new to Modern, which includes pre-8th edition reprints. The extra five are the basic lands.
Honestly, I think the new cards will be fairly limited in number and there will be a ton of chaff reprints at all rarities under the guise of making it a good limited format.
I don’t think they care about keeping old formats “separate” feeling. This product is essentially the formalized death of Legacy. Wizards already did virtually nothing at all to support it and this is their moment to build Modern into a true Legacy ver 2.0 without the pitfalls of the Reserved List.
You’re the third or fourth person to bring up True Name Nemesis, but just a couple of weeks ago (in the Tolarian Community College interview), Gavin Verhey said they never should have printed the card. I don’t think he would say that just before a high profile set is announced that includes it.
I’m a hard “no way” on whether TNN is in this set.