Pelt collector is a beast with all of the potential 3 power 2 drop creatures. Nullhide Ferox is great as a second 4 drop. With so few non-creature spells it's non-creature ability doesn't hold us back. If we have 4 mana to play it, we have 4 mana to play a lightning strike if need be.
The deck can struggle a bit with all of the double green cost creatures. I'm considering putting in a Gruul Guildgate in order to help me hit my jadelight rangers and Thrashing brontodon on time. I'm also considering a Merfolk branchwalker to help with this as well.
I went down from 3 Kraul Harpooners to 2 a little while ago. Kraul hasn't been as necessary lately.
I'm beating out most "mirror" matches, definitely mono-red, any kind of merfolk or aristocrat nonsense. Still struggle with esper control although I have been netting some wins there too. Mono-white is the worst match up. Thankfully I'm seeing much less of them these days.
I'm doing the "pay 500 gold" to play bo1 mode in Arena. I've been consistently making it to 5-7 wins with 3 losses. Just mining away here...
Anyone else playing bo1?
There is no good call there on mana, because you have no ramp besides domri, the only thing you can do is go to
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I digress back to my original statement before decklists were posted...
These are ideas I had, I've been working on the Midrange version more, have to get more input on superfriends version. Hard thing about the superfriends version is the control matchup and early ramp. Only trouble I have been having with Midrange version is sideboarding. Chandra is hard to fit in.
Also not sure Light Up The Stage makes sense here. Really wondering what other card advantage options we have in Gruul package.
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These are ideas I had, I've been working on the Midrange version more, have to get more input on superfriends version. Hard thing about the superfriends version is the control matchup and early ramp. Only trouble I have been having with Midrange version is sideboarding. Chandra is hard to fit in.
Also not sure Light Up The Stage makes sense here. Really wondering what other card advantage options we have in Gruul package.
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I can buy that these are bad:
White Weenie
Orzhov
Esper Control
Jeskai/Esper Superfriends
With wraths/hard removal and discard we have our work cut out for us.
I know some decks had brought in Vivien's Arkbow but that was against control, not sure if this what we are looking for or if we have to run a whole different deck to complement that.
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Yes, this deck does not want that card period. This deck has to either lean into Llanowar Elves and Paradise Druid to do Ramp work or it drops that in favor Pelt Collector and other 2 drops.
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Rhythm of the Wild is better than Domri, Anarch of Bolas as it gives a +1/+1 counter not +1/0 buff so it stays if Rhythm of the Wild is removed from the field. The counter works with proliferate and doesn't have to be triggered to make your creature spells uncounterable. It can't be attacked by creatures. It can give haste if you need that instead of a counter. It just gives you more options than Domri, Anarch of Bolas
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Domri is 100x better then Rhythm. Fights and ramps and pumps....no contest.
It doesn't grant haste...
and it's only 2 of, roughly 10 creatures in that deck have riot. Like I get why it's not in the mainboard that's obvious and really steers away from the main point which is sideboarding against matchups we aren't good at because at 1 end of the spectrum we are good, but when this deck fails it fails pretty badly. Neither cards really do much against discard or wrath based decks but, I digress and will drop the topic all together.
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Kiora I do believe is a 3 of, I think for testing though I wanted to see how often it would show up in starting 7. Ideally I feel like you always want to get to turn 2/turn 3 kiora and then play steel leaf/spellbreaker. Untapping that land with an elf out can be helpful. Arynx is a test card, don't think it's playable, triggers kiora and trample helps with rhonas also the mana works out better than phoenix.
I did add in a singleton Domri, Anarch of Bolas I like what this card does, small anthem effect, removal, and adds mana for any spell.
After that just don't have a whole lot of rares to so have to keep grinding till I get em.
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I think with the explore and creature searching from planeswalkers 2 Ilharg would be right and 2 domri would be ok but for testing i'll over load first. Sneaking kraul harpooner into play with dudes in the grave isn't bad. It would be sweet to sneak a jadelight into play multiple times. Maybe -1 Domri and Ilharg for +2 thrash//threat, vivien main or Find//Finality. Sideboard is rough draft of course.
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at best Rhonas is a 2 of, yea it does need somewhat of board, but overall he should check against most other matchups, obviously the esper matchup is a wash but then again the esper matchup was always a joke to begin with...
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Rhonas would have to compete in the 5 drop slot. Though him coming in with Domri or Rhythm in play uncountered would make him really tough to take down. Problem is lack of trample.
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I think kiora is alright, it just can't go in your a-typical stomp deck...
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There is no good call there on mana, because you have no ramp besides domri, the only thing you can do is go to
8 forest
7 mountain
and run 16 forests and 15 mountains which is good enough to hit all the creatures on curve.
I do play some BO1 but really have started to move onto BO3, BO1 is diverse and gotta kill the enemy really early.
Meanwhile I have tweaked the midrange deck.
4 Llanowar Elves
2 Paradise Druid
2 Thorn Lieutenant
4 Growth-Chamber Guardian
3 Rekindling Phoenix
4 Gruul Spellbreaker
Planeswalkers (11)
2 Domri, Anarch of Bolas
3 Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
2 Nissa, Who shakes the world
2 Sarkhan the masterless
1 Chandra, Fire Artisan
2 Banefire
2 Collision // Colossus
2 Lightning Strike
Lands (24)
10 Forest
6 Mountain
4 Stomping Grounds
4 Rootbound Crag
2 Lava Coil
2 Thrashing Brontodon
1 Karn, Scion of Urza
2 Living Twister
1 Carnage Tyrant
1 Ravager Wurm
2 Kraul Harpooner
2 Thrash // Threat
2 Fight with Fire
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These are ideas I had, I've been working on the Midrange version more, have to get more input on superfriends version. Hard thing about the superfriends version is the control matchup and early ramp. Only trouble I have been having with Midrange version is sideboarding. Chandra is hard to fit in.
Also not sure Light Up The Stage makes sense here. Really wondering what other card advantage options we have in Gruul package.
Light up the stage is a real easy cut there.
Superfriends deck needs work but I'm not a control player so have to fail that one a few times before it starts to make sense.
I wonder if Living Twister works...Card seems really insane against white weenie and mono-red.
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Also not sure Light Up The Stage makes sense here. Really wondering what other card advantage options we have in Gruul package.
4 Llanowar Elves
2 Paradise Druid
2 Thorn Lieutenant
4 Growth-Chamber Guardian
3 Rekindling Phoenix
4 Gruul Spellbreaker
Planeswalkers (10)
2 Domri, Anarch of Bolas
3 Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
2 Nissa, Who shakes the world
3 Sarkhan the masterless
2 Banefire
2 Collision // Colossus
2 Lightning Strike
1 Light Up the stage
Lands (24)
10 Forest
6 Mountain
4 Stomping Grounds
4 Rootbound Crag
2 Lava Coil
2 Thrashing Brontodon
3 Cindervines
1 Carnage Tyrant
1 Ravager Wurm
2 Kraul Harpooner
2 Thrash \\ Threat
2 Fight with Fire
4 Llanowar Elves
3 Rekindling Phoenix
4 Burning Prophet
Planeswalkers (16)
2 Domri, Anarch of Bolas
2 Nissa, Who shakes the world
3 Sarkhan the masterless
3 Ugin the ineffable
3 Chandra, Fire Artisan
3 Karn, Scion of Urza
4 Shock
2 Lava Coil
4 Lightning Strike
2 Tormenting Voice
Lands (24)
9 Forest
7 Mountain
4 Stomping Grounds
4 Rootbound Crag
2 Lava Coil
2 Thrashing Brontodon
3 Cindervines
3 Fiery Cannonade
2 Fight with Fire
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I've tried to put one together with
Sarkhan the masterless
Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
Nissa, who shakes the world
Domri, Anarch of Bolas
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White Weenie
Orzhov
Esper Control
Jeskai/Esper Superfriends
With wraths/hard removal and discard we have our work cut out for us.
I know some decks had brought in Vivien's Arkbow but that was against control, not sure if this what we are looking for or if we have to run a whole different deck to complement that.
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Yes, this deck does not want that card period. This deck has to either lean into Llanowar Elves and Paradise Druid to do Ramp work or it drops that in favor Pelt Collector and other 2 drops.
Side note: We no longer need Kraul Harpooner?
Also don't completely get what Bolt Bend is for is this suppose to be for targeted removal and discard?
Do we have a sideboard guide?
and do we know which matchups are bad for us?
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4 Llanowar Elves
4 Pelt Collector
4 Growth-Chamber Guardian
3 Steel Leaf Champion
3 Rekindling Phoenix
4 Gruul Spellbreaker
2 God-Eternal Rhonas
2 Domri, Anarch of Bolas
2 Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
1 Vivien Reid
Spells(8)
1 Banefire
2 Collision // Colossus
3 Lightning Strike
2 Bond of Flourishing
12 Forest
4 Mountain
4 Stomping Grounds
3 Rootbound Crag
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Overall Domri, Anarch of Bolas is better than Rhythm of the Wild, the latter is an awful top deck, it has utility but most of that is corrected by the former.
EDIT:
taking notes of Todd Stevens Gruul deck
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Pelt Collector
4 Growth-Chamber Guardian
2 Ravager Wurm
4 Rekindling Phoenix
4 Gruul Spellbreaker
2 God-Eternal Rhonas
2 Ilharg, the raze-boar
Planeswalkers (6)
2 Domri, Anarch of Bolas
1 Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
1 Chandra, Fire Artisan
2 Vivien Reid
9 Forest
7 Mountain
4 Stomping Grounds
4 Rootbound Crag
Spells (4)
2 Lava Coil
2 Rhythm of the Wild
2 Lava Coil
4 Cindervines
2 Thrashing Brontodon
2 Vivien, Champion of the Wilds
1 Chandra, fire artisan
3 Krual Harpooner
1 Crushing Canopy
He later changed this though and added in Paradise Druid
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It doesn't grant haste...
and it's only 2 of, roughly 10 creatures in that deck have riot. Like I get why it's not in the mainboard that's obvious and really steers away from the main point which is sideboarding against matchups we aren't good at because at 1 end of the spectrum we are good, but when this deck fails it fails pretty badly. Neither cards really do much against discard or wrath based decks but, I digress and will drop the topic all together.
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Kiora I do believe is a 3 of, I think for testing though I wanted to see how often it would show up in starting 7. Ideally I feel like you always want to get to turn 2/turn 3 kiora and then play steel leaf/spellbreaker. Untapping that land with an elf out can be helpful. Arynx is a test card, don't think it's playable, triggers kiora and trample helps with rhonas also the mana works out better than phoenix.
I did add in a singleton Domri, Anarch of Bolas I like what this card does, small anthem effect, removal, and adds mana for any spell.
After that just don't have a whole lot of rares to so have to keep grinding till I get em.
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Kraul Harpooner
2 Thorn Lieutenant
4 Steel Leaf Champion
2 Rekindling Phoenix
3 Gruul Spellbreaker
2 God-Eternal Rhonas
2 Ghalta, Primal Hunger
2 Vivien Reid
1 Domri, Anarch of Bolas
4 Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
Lands (22)
12 Forest
3 Mountain
4 Stomping Grounds
3 Rootbound Crag
3 Bond of Flourishing
3 Thrash // Threat
2 Collision // Colossus
I'm also noting Ross Merriam's aggro list
4 Llanowar Elves
2 Evolution Sage
3 Incubation Druid
4 Krenko-Street Kingpin
4 Rekindling Phoenix
3 Gruul Spellbreaker
4 Zhur-Taa Goblin
3 Skarrgan-Hellkite
4 Domri, Anarch of Bolas
1 Samut, Tyrant Smasher
Lands (24)
8 Forest
8 Mountain
4 Stomping Grounds
4 Rootbound Crag
Spells (4)
2 Thrash // Threat
2 Collision // Colossuss
3 Lava Coil
1 Vivien Reid
2 Carnage Tyrant
2 Kraul Harpooner
1 Chandra, Fire Artisan
2 Rhythm of the Wild
1 Crushing Canopy
3 Shock
So, I'm convinced Rhythm of the Wild should be in the sideboard. Mainboard should be Domri, Anarch of Bolas
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4 Llanowar Elves
4 Kraul Harpooner
2 Thorn Lieutenant
4 Steel Leaf Champion
3 Frenzied Arynx
3 Gruul Spellbreaker
2 God-Eternal Rhonas
2 Ghalta, Primal Hunger
2 Vivien Reid
4 Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
Lands (22)
12 Forest
3 Mountain
4 Stomping Grounds
3 Rootbound Crag
3 Bond of Flourishing
3 Thrash // Threat
2 Collision // Colossus
Going a different direction, deck definitely needs Rekindling Phoenix...though discard Dimir/Grixis seem to be the worst matchups.
There is Tamiyo, Collector of tales could splash temur and shut down discard.
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some people just can't let go of scapeshift...you could just build a lands matter deck and add nissa.
Bringing back the explore package...
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which is why we have sideboarding....
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