To fix your mana base add Fabled Passage. I run 3 plus one rugged highlands. I'm also at 24 lands too. Without another untapped r/g land at our disposal, you will probably need 23 lands at least.
My list for bo1 Arena. Seems decent, perhaps not as good as in the last meta. Bonecrusher giant is really good, as is questing beast. I'm not sold on Robber of the Rich yet. I think Zhur-taa Goblin may be better.
Dont understand how Goblin could be better than robber since robber is easier to cast and can net you cards especially late game. It can also block fliers.
These are ideas I had, I've been working on the Midrange version more, have to get more input on superfriends version. Hard thing about the superfriends version is the control matchup and early ramp. Only trouble I have been having with Midrange version is sideboarding. Chandra is hard to fit in.
Also not sure Light Up The Stage makes sense here. Really wondering what other card advantage options we have in Gruul package.
dont like light up the stage or tormenting voice, think there are better ways to draw cards if thats your goal. Why are you thinking about them, whatcha wanna do?
Outside of the Elves thang, is anything glaringly wrong?
I'd consider more mana in the form of more lands in this deck since you're not running elves. At least 24. They can be in the form of Mobilized District, if you like.
Tibalt looks bad but is very good against a lot of the decks right now. Superfriends, Esper, UB, etc. He even makes idiots that block pretty well for 1/1s. The fact that he blocks lifegain from Contempt and Enter the God-Eternals is huge. He's also another body to carry Sarkhan animations -- maybe the strongest part of this deck.
Thorn Lieutenant is good because he's quite the tempo snag against decks rocking cheap removal. He's a bit slower than Zhur-Taa but that guy dies to a sneeze so...
Took this list to the SCG Open Syracuse this weekend.
Ended up 75th, 11 places out of prize. List was ok. Sideboard was bad.
My losses were to:
Bant Oketra x2
Jeskai Superfriends
Bant Flash
Bant Nexus
Esper Midrange
Wins were against:
GR Ramp
Jeskai Superfriends
Esper Midrange x2
Esper Control
UG Mass Manipulation
UR Phoenix x2
Mono Red
Gang, first new set tournament played yesterday with Golgari Stompy, not here to talk about those colors but to encourage you to try God-Eternal Rhonas!!! I only played 1, want to try 2, but it won me quite a few games and the recursion is awesome.
I can only imagine how much better its would be in a deck with fliers!!!
Rhythm of the Wild is better than Domri, Anarch of Bolas as it gives a +1/+1 counter not +1/0 buff so it stays if Rhythm of the Wild is removed from the field. The counter works with proliferate and doesn't have to be triggered to make your creature spells uncounterable. It can't be attacked by creatures. It can give haste if you need that instead of a counter. It just gives you more options than Domri, Anarch of Bolas
Domri buffs ALL of your creatures, not only ones that come into play. Rhythm cant indirectly save you life by having creatures attack it. One is a fair draw after T5, the other is not.
Kiora I do believe is a 3 of, I think for testing though I wanted to see how often it would show up in starting 7. Ideally I feel like you always want to get to turn 2/turn 3 kiora and then play steel leaf/spellbreaker. Untapping that land with an elf out can be helpful. Arynx is a test card, don't think it's playable, triggers kiora and trample helps with rhonas also the mana works out better than phoenix.
I did add in a singleton Domri, Anarch of Bolas I like what this card does, small anthem effect, removal, and adds mana for any spell.
After that just don't have a whole lot of rares to so have to keep grinding till I get em.
I think with the explore and creature searching from planeswalkers. 2 Ilharg would be right and 2 domri would be ok but for testing i'll over load first. Sneaking kraul harpooner into play with dudes in the grave isn't bad. It would be sweet to sneak a jadelight into play multiple times. Maybe -1 Domri and Ilharg for +2 thrash//threat, vivien main or Find//Finality. Sideboard is rough draft of course.
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This card is very similar to Dromoka's Command. It plays great on the play, allowing your 2 drops to push through damage and function very similar to Fleecemane Lion and co. of the past. So what's the draw back here? It's sorcery speed, meaning that you're getting set up to get blown out. You can't realistically play this card into open mana. We're already tight on removal spells and, in a lot of cases, Lava Coil will be just as good if not better.
Isnt threat//thrashing just better?
Still going to test Ilharg, I want him to be good.
Im confused by "Shaman being good against moment of craving" So you bring in shaman against esper and esper sides in or leaves craving in against this deck? How is the card good against wilderness reclamation, or is it just that it is good against the deck? Im pretty sure I get what your saying, just clarifying.
Immolation Shaman is good vs. Moment of Craving because it's an x/3. Esper will often board in Craving or leave them in, depending on their configuration.
It is also good against Wilderness Reclamation if they're trying to Nexus of Fate you. Generally, they have to stick a Search for Azcanta and flip it for a hard lock. That's hard to do without getting Shaman off the table. They have to find a Blink of an Eye to bounce it off the table or kill you with Hydras and looped Nexuses. Basically what you do with the card is make them jump through hoops to kill you. They have a moderately high fail rate when jumping through said hoops.
The Immolation Shaman dealing 1 damage when they activate Search for azcanta as a land is enough to hold it down? I guess my real question is, this only deals damage when activated abilities are used right? I feel like I've seen different wording on cards to mean the same thing, so I'm wondering if this is an oracle update or I'm remembering something improperly.
it can pump for a total of 4... seems ok. question is what do you take out.
Additionally, it's a 2cmc creature that's good against Shock, Fiery Cannonade, and Shivan Fire. I'll bring it in when the games gets removal heavy as it doesn't line up with cheap removal quite like a Kraul Harpooner or others do. It lets you keep your curve low when you're trying to board in attrition-ey cards against midrange removal decks. You don't want a lot 5-6 mana cards. It's good vs. Gruul Midrange with Goblin Chainwhirler since you don't want them gaining tempo advantage with shock.
Shaman won't blow you away. It's not an "I win button" like some people hope their SB cards to be. I just fills the curve when you're sideboarding out bad cards like Kraul Harpooner or Lightning Strike.
Ravager Wurm is good vs. Sultai and other removal midrange decks (I had an opponent really regret trying to Hostage Taker it last night, which was delightful). It's also good in the mirror. Ravenous Chupacabra is good against us so ipso facto. Don't board in expensive creatures against Search for Azcanta decks. They're traps. If the game is about playing to the board, you should bring in Wurm.
I maybe logged 18 hours getting to mythic. There were whole weeks this season where I didn't touch the game. Don't quote me on that though, since I don't log "time played".
Im confused by "Shaman being good against moment of craving" So you bring in shaman against esper and esper sides in or leaves craving in against this deck? How is the card good against wilderness reclamation, or is it just that it is good against the deck? Im pretty sure I get what your saying, just clarifying.
You don't like Rekindling Pheonix over the other 4 drops? Also do you really want 4 Rhythym of the wilds? Seems like you wouldn't want more then one per game usually. Taking 2 turns off of playing creatures isn't something we want to do. Seems like 3 mb would be better.
To be honest I havent played the deck enough to know how many I would want. I figure if I wanted it at all I want 4 to try and ensure I can play it T2/3.
I dont have rekindling Phoenix in paper so its easy not to include. I am really drawn to casting Ghalta with Rhythm in play. I am also attracted to playing Kraul Harpooner with rhythm in play as well, like post sweeper, like harpooner into Ghalta and swing for 20, that sounds so sexy.
If I were to play that style enough to decide that it totally sucks then I might try the Monsters build with PHX and dragon.
Dont understand how Goblin could be better than robber since robber is easier to cast and can net you cards especially late game. It can also block fliers.
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dont like light up the stage or tormenting voice, think there are better ways to draw cards if thats your goal. Why are you thinking about them, whatcha wanna do?
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Was thinking about that, like R/G control, lol, with Sarkhan as a immediate wincon or grind with Nissa. You have acess to Karn and Ugin.
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cool dude! congrats
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I can only imagine how much better its would be in a deck with fliers!!!
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Domri buffs ALL of your creatures, not only ones that come into play. Rhythm cant indirectly save you life by having creatures attack it. One is a fair draw after T5, the other is not.
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Why only 3 Crag? Why Arynx? Why 4 Kiora?
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nice interaction there
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3 Paradise Druid - help justify 22 land and provide more red sources. +3 2 drop for ghalta.
4 Kraul Harpooner
4 Wildgrowth Walker
4 Merfolk Branchwalker
4 Jadelight Ranger
4 Steel Leaf Champion
3 Domri, Chaos Bringer
2 Nullhide Ferox
3 Ilharg, the Raze-boar
3 Ghalta, Primal hunger
14 Forest
4 Stomping Ground
4 Rootbound Crag
4 Cindervines
4 Rekindling Phoenix
4 Lava coil
2 Vivien Reid
1 Find//Finality
I think with the explore and creature searching from planeswalkers. 2 Ilharg would be right and 2 domri would be ok but for testing i'll over load first. Sneaking kraul harpooner into play with dudes in the grave isn't bad. It would be sweet to sneak a jadelight into play multiple times. Maybe -1 Domri and Ilharg for +2 thrash//threat, vivien main or Find//Finality. Sideboard is rough draft of course.
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Isnt threat//thrashing just better?
Still going to test Ilharg, I want him to be good.
4 llanowar elves
3 Paradise Druid
4 Kraul Harpooner
4 Wildgrowth Walker
4 Merfolk Branchwalker
4 Jadelight Ranger
4 Steel leaf Champion
2 Nullhide Ferox
3 Domri, Choas Bringer
3 Ilharg, the Raze-Boar
3 Ghalta, Primal Hunger
14 forest
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4 Stomping Ground
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it can pump for a total of 4... seems ok. question is what do you take out.
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talk to us about the Wurm and shaman
also how long did it take to get up there>?
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To be honest I havent played the deck enough to know how many I would want. I figure if I wanted it at all I want 4 to try and ensure I can play it T2/3.
I dont have rekindling Phoenix in paper so its easy not to include. I am really drawn to casting Ghalta with Rhythm in play. I am also attracted to playing Kraul Harpooner with rhythm in play as well, like post sweeper, like harpooner into Ghalta and swing for 20, that sounds so sexy.
If I were to play that style enough to decide that it totally sucks then I might try the Monsters build with PHX and dragon.
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