Kink and fetish deserve appropriate limits and spaces conductive to consent, public health, and the emancipation of human life and expression. They are NOT the celebration of forcibly and prematurely ending any of these, or the failure to take precautions that would limit undue risk and permanent harm. True Freedom therefore requires a level of self-restraint and likewise accountability for one's actions. There's no reason why nontraditional relationships cannot be both fun, spicy and conductive towards self- and other's preservation/lives.
Jeez dude. It's just a forum for the (increasingly *****ty) story in a children's card game.
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1. MTG is actually marketed to a maturer audience than kids, hence why they can push the boundaries a lil with more mature content.
2. You cared enough about the game that you made an account, and cared enough about the story to comment on the story forum, so What’s your point?
The issue doesn’t matter to you, that’s fine. But if that’s the point you’re trying to make you’re gonna waste a lot of your time telling people why the stuff they care about doesn’t matter instead of doing what stuff you enjoy and care about.
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Wizards. listen. The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
I'm not saying its a reflection of things that are part of our normal. I'm saying that in a fantasy setting, in which we have Demons part of 'normal' society, well considering our own history, I just dont have much difficulty making that leap?
In the latest story, the Azorius were doing everything in their power to arrest Rakdos cultists for even the most trivial crimes, like graffiti. And they were very quick to crack down on more serious crimes like the production, sale, and usage of blight paper (as much as the protagonists view it as a harmless prank, it is a form of torture). Yet they don't do anything to shut down the actual shows or arrest the performers, despite the fact that those shows feature things you'd expect would be illegal (people being burned, flayed, impaled, and so forth). So the performances themselves must be legal, which seems strange but it was probably one of the conditions of the original Guildpact. Presumably there must be some kind of consent on behalf of the victims, even if it's as broad and specious as "anyone entering the performance zone automatically consents to anything the performers may do to them."
I think these are both good points, in that the Cult of Rakdos as an institution (strangely, it qualifies) likely enjoys some measure of cultural and legal protection that defines where and when the spectacles are deemed 'appropriate' andwith an understanding that even attending an event may remove certain liabilities.
But as others mentioned/hinted and as I previously said: I think I can empathize with people like Tajic who'd rather see the Cult severely curtailed or even destroyed.
Kink and fetish deserve appropriate limits and spaces conductive to consent, public health, and the emancipation of human life and expression. They are NOT the celebration of forcibly and prematurely ending any of these, or the failure to take precautions that would limit undue risk and permanent harm. True Freedom therefore requires a level of self-restraint and likewise accountability for one's actions. There's no reason why nontraditional relationships cannot be both fun, spicy and conductive towards self- and other's preservation/lives.
Do/Have you participated in any kind of contact or combat sport?
Yeah I have. While I haven't done anything at a high level, I do enjoy watching some of the more contact heavy sports like MMA fighting. I just can't equate the rakdos to that though. There is no sportsmanship in how they're depicted imo.
No, but go back a bit, to the early stuff in Brazil, dog/**** fights, bare knuckle even today. There are shows of masochistic stuff, and it goes on and on. It's not unheard of.
I can understand the necessity of a healthy kink and fetish community, and as someone who loves to safely and consensually display dominance, as well as combative and aggressive behavior, I think I can safely say that the Cult of Rakdos does not represent well, normalize nor remove the false stereotypes associated with BDSM, extreme sports or combat sports.
There's not much consent hinted at in much of the Rakdos artwork or flavour text in reference to their audience and crowd 'participants', and even for the cult members, I'm not convinced one can consent to some of the things they do, or have done to themselves or others.
Safe, Sane, and Consensual are not bywords that seem to matter to the Rakdos, so while I accept that this is a fantasy world and that the Cult likely grew out from the enculturation of the Guilds and protection of the guildpact.
Risk Aware and Consensual might fit at least the membership participants themselves better but I question one's ability to really accept such terms, then again I'm the guy who thinks an afterlife spent repaying your debt through gaurd-duty and guild-service is appropriate so there could exist arguments that the membership's paticipation somehow could be ok though it still makes me sick.
People ought not get killed prematurely for pleasure, not thier own or for the pleasure of others. -Also a public health hazaard
Back to current storyline people, that's what this thread is about, my bad. Don't get distracted by my (admittedly) ranting. Ultimately, much of what may cause some to like or dislike the interventionism of oldwalkers, certain interpretations of colour combinations and certain planeswalkers may tie into our various political alignments, cultures and ideologies.
Certainly my love for Abzan and Orzhov as colour combos stem partly from this. I shamelessly admit that. Moderate Canadian Tory, Elitist, with a slightly-crass mockery towards social conservatism all the way.
We are all different.
Oh look over there, is that a War of the Spark!?! I bet there's some surprises coming our way in both game mechanics and story points despite most of us being confidence that the 'power of friendship' will 'win'.
On the main plotline revealed by RNA's cards so far, I realized I was in the right guild for me when my first reaction to Kaya's Ethereal Absolution of the indentured Orzhov spirits was TO REEL BACK IN HORROR!!
It was perhaps the moral thing to do, but not very strategic for the guild's overall wellbeing, Without debt, consequences, and the power that the dead provide for the guild, the Syndicate has lost a lot of power. While I'm all for reforming the guild and making the indentured living and dead's repayment easier and more ennobling, even a shallow understanding of economics points to negative externalities when market forces are so blatantly ignored.
Wasn't this basically Teysa's reaction as well?
Personally I like a change to the guilds (and planes in general, nothing is more boring than stagnancy). I just hope they won't do a 180 next return to Ravnica and say "oh while we were gone the Orzhov got spirits back complete with a new Obzedat, lol".
I think that was her reaction? I'm unsure. Sometimes there's differences between the cards and the actual story but I hope that Wizards has the sense to show complex repercussions of even arguably ethical choices. Complexity in storyline is important, but to be honest, they've tried so hard to make the story approachable and grokable (good things) that the nuance and complexity sometimes just isn't there. Dovin Baan and Azorious the Sphinx's treatment as cardboard villains are cases in point. As is the entire Ixalan Block. I miss my Innistrad with it's Nahiri and Sorin.
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Wizards. listen. The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
Not a Moderator (please don't kill me) but I figured we deserved this Thread.
As we are not expecting main plotline stories for Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) set anymore than we did GRN, and because much of the War of the Spark (WAR) set's story will be revealed on paperback and through online stories, I figured we could consolidate them no?
On the main plotline revealed by RNA's cards so far, I realized I was in the right guild for me when my first reaction to Kaya's Ethereal Absolution of the indentured Orzhov spirits was TO REEL BACK IN HORROR!!
It was perhaps the moral thing to do, but not very strategic for the guild's overall wellbeing, Without debt, consequences, and the power that the dead provide for the guild, the Syndicate has lost a lot of power. While I'm all for reforming the guild and making the indentured living and dead's repayment easier and more ennobling, even a shallow understanding of economics points to negative externalities when market forces are so blatantly ignored.
And maybe as someone in another thread pointed out, this was Bolas's plan all along. Mass inflation to increase the chaos of the plane. I believe Kaya is onto something and her ethics bears a point but even ethical action can have dangerous, and negative consequences. Road to hell is paved by good intentions.
Edit: This is a fantasy game. If people willingly sell their souls in a fantasy setting, or neglect to read, or accepts the fine print of undertaking a huge debt, there should be consequences. Duty in the afterlife does not necessarily to be equated to real-world slavery. It is the fulfilment of an obligation, and if our real world is recalcitrant to overly-idealistic conceptions of 'fairness', do not expect these fantasy worlds to be either. The Orzhov need reform, I can get behind that, but there are always costs.
I may not be an Alt-Right or an Alt-Left queer but I'm a queer whose sick and tired of people 'Evilizing' other people and opinions they don't like. Regardless as to their identities or ideology.
1. MTG is actually marketed to a maturer audience than kids, hence why they can push the boundaries a lil with more mature content.
2. You cared enough about the game that you made an account, and cared enough about the story to comment on the story forum, so What’s your point?
The issue doesn’t matter to you, that’s fine. But if that’s the point you’re trying to make you’re gonna waste a lot of your time telling people why the stuff they care about doesn’t matter instead of doing what stuff you enjoy and care about.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
I think these are both good points, in that the Cult of Rakdos as an institution (strangely, it qualifies) likely enjoys some measure of cultural and legal protection that defines where and when the spectacles are deemed 'appropriate' andwith an understanding that even attending an event may remove certain liabilities.
But as others mentioned/hinted and as I previously said: I think I can empathize with people like Tajic who'd rather see the Cult severely curtailed or even destroyed.
Kink and fetish deserve appropriate limits and spaces conductive to consent, public health, and the emancipation of human life and expression. They are NOT the celebration of forcibly and prematurely ending any of these, or the failure to take precautions that would limit undue risk and permanent harm. True Freedom therefore requires a level of self-restraint and likewise accountability for one's actions. There's no reason why nontraditional relationships cannot be both fun, spicy and conductive towards self- and other's preservation/lives.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
I can understand the necessity of a healthy kink and fetish community, and as someone who loves to safely and consensually display dominance, as well as combative and aggressive behavior, I think I can safely say that the Cult of Rakdos does not represent well, normalize nor remove the false stereotypes associated with BDSM, extreme sports or combat sports.
There's not much consent hinted at in much of the Rakdos artwork or flavour text in reference to their audience and crowd 'participants', and even for the cult members, I'm not convinced one can consent to some of the things they do, or have done to themselves or others.
Safe, Sane, and Consensual are not bywords that seem to matter to the Rakdos, so while I accept that this is a fantasy world and that the Cult likely grew out from the enculturation of the Guilds and protection of the guildpact.
Risk Aware and Consensual might fit at least the membership participants themselves better but I question one's ability to really accept such terms, then again I'm the guy who thinks an afterlife spent repaying your debt through gaurd-duty and guild-service is appropriate so there could exist arguments that the membership's paticipation somehow could be ok though it still makes me sick.
People ought not get killed prematurely for pleasure, not thier own or for the pleasure of others. -Also a public health hazaard
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
Certainly my love for Abzan and Orzhov as colour combos stem partly from this. I shamelessly admit that. Moderate Canadian Tory, Elitist, with a slightly-crass mockery towards social conservatism all the way.
We are all different.
Oh look over there, is that a War of the Spark!?! I bet there's some surprises coming our way in both game mechanics and story points despite most of us being confidence that the 'power of friendship' will 'win'.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
I think that was her reaction? I'm unsure. Sometimes there's differences between the cards and the actual story but I hope that Wizards has the sense to show complex repercussions of even arguably ethical choices. Complexity in storyline is important, but to be honest, they've tried so hard to make the story approachable and grokable (good things) that the nuance and complexity sometimes just isn't there. Dovin Baan and Azorious the Sphinx's treatment as cardboard villains are cases in point. As is the entire Ixalan Block. I miss my Innistrad with it's Nahiri and Sorin.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi
As we are not expecting main plotline stories for Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) set anymore than we did GRN, and because much of the War of the Spark (WAR) set's story will be revealed on paperback and through online stories, I figured we could consolidate them no?
On the main plotline revealed by RNA's cards so far, I realized I was in the right guild for me when my first reaction to Kaya's Ethereal Absolution of the indentured Orzhov spirits was TO REEL BACK IN HORROR!!
It was perhaps the moral thing to do, but not very strategic for the guild's overall wellbeing, Without debt, consequences, and the power that the dead provide for the guild, the Syndicate has lost a lot of power. While I'm all for reforming the guild and making the indentured living and dead's repayment easier and more ennobling, even a shallow understanding of economics points to negative externalities when market forces are so blatantly ignored.
And maybe as someone in another thread pointed out, this was Bolas's plan all along. Mass inflation to increase the chaos of the plane. I believe Kaya is onto something and her ethics bears a point but even ethical action can have dangerous, and negative consequences. Road to hell is paved by good intentions.
Edit: This is a fantasy game. If people willingly sell their souls in a fantasy setting, or neglect to read, or accepts the fine print of undertaking a huge debt, there should be consequences. Duty in the afterlife does not necessarily to be equated to real-world slavery. It is the fulfilment of an obligation, and if our real world is recalcitrant to overly-idealistic conceptions of 'fairness', do not expect these fantasy worlds to be either. The Orzhov need reform, I can get behind that, but there are always costs.
I may not be an Alt-Right or an Alt-Left queer but I'm a queer whose sick and tired of people 'Evilizing' other people and opinions they don't like. Regardless as to their identities or ideology.
The Vorthos community will await the consequences of the Eldrazi Titans' deaths/sealing. We will keep the watch.
“The wind whispers, ‘come home,’ but I cannot.”
— Teferi