I just now discovered the existance of youtube tags. Not realizing they existed immediately makes me the LVP. This game would have been worlds different with embedded waiting videos...
I definitely am not deserving of MVP this game. I think it's a tossup between Shadow and Cantrip for MVP. Shadow was all over it D2 and had the Kill blocked. But I'd lean towards Cantrip for leading a scum lynch on D1 and earning a ton of strong town reads on himself.
@Cether you claiming the tracker/watcher would have been just about a slam dunk here. You can never be 100% sure but in a 7 player game an alignment cop and a watcher/tracker is probably too much even with the RPS mechanic diluting them. Your instinct to protect your role was solid though. In your shoes I would have claimed but staying quietly skeptical of Ruma's claim and pushing him is entirely valid. Not confirming my claim of visiting Cantrip was definitely the right thing to do.
Hope you enjoyed your first game here in quite a while!
It definitely wasn't a bad claim. Had me clamoring to give you another day. You just needed to have "thoughts" on people's alignments if you're going to play the "I claimed the vanilla'izer half first to generate reactions" card. You just didn't have anything on D2 other than no kill speculation and theory.
Granted after D1 you were in an awful position and it probably wasn't salvageable but your lack of thoughts didn't help your case.
Also, shadow. The activity is never an indicator of my alignment. It's the content of the posts in general.
Grape noticed that I was trying to copy my town style, but... there was something missing.
If I may I think the follow up gusto was what was missing. You had the initial part down but you never really took a strong stance. If you'd been able to follow up the "I claimed Vanilla-izer as a cop to generate reactions and I saw x, y, z" it might have been more convincing. To me at least. Shadow was probably always going to be at your throat after the RPS game went the way it did.
@Shadow I don't understand why you of all people isn't worried about a no kill I guess. You keeping saying you and Ruma are the next two lynches locked in, but there really isn't any reason to suspect you over Manasi or Cether if Ruma flips town here. You've pulled the exact play that could be happening here before. Why couldn't Manasi or Cether have pulled a no kill here?
My argument is not really based on his behavior at all at this stage. He's objectively the most likely to be scum at this juncture. It's that he's claimed alignment cop and we can force him to hard clear his needed mislynch (you).
Ruma never survives this game. He just doesn't. But I don't want to go to a final 4 of (cantrip/me), you, Cether, Manasi. It's a low percentage world but from this spot I think we lose in that world a decent % of time.
I get the desire for a perfect game. And I don't hate yolo'ing it but if we're all wrong (which is unlikely) tomorrow is going to suck.
If we no lynch, we throw away the opportunity of gaining a lynch by stopping another kill. And that’s if Ruma is even town, which he’s just not.
I completely understand what you're saying and Ruma's play today screams scum to me. But mechanically he's trapped tomorrow by this. He has no outs if we play it this way.
And we don't need another lynch. This route gives us two lynches and two question marks unless you're worried about Cantrip.
No lynching here leads to 3 clears (if we're counting Cantrip) and two questions. Those numbers always win.
It's not about salvaging pride on a bad read, it's about covering all the bases.
It probably is just Ruma, but I'm just confused as to why you're so resistant to taking a safer route to victory. I don't see any way that this can lose but I can see routes where lynching Ruma today does.
I'm not really protected from scum!Shadow by lynching him tomorrow as there isn't a strong reason to think it's sucm shadow vs scum Manasi or Ruma. And I only get 1 more lynch if we lynch Ruma now and go into tomorrow with multiple question marks. I don't love the crap shoot of having to sort out you/Manasi/Cether without a ton of reliable info tomorrow.
On your second point you could just be lying about your role all together. Scum you skipped a kill last night in that world and you have an unrelated role like a role cop or something unprovable.
Third why does Ruma do anything? It's not an alignment indicative thing in my eyes.
Like I get that it's probably just me refusing to see things because I want to be right about Ruma, but Shadow's mechanical arguments are weak here. I'd rather not rush it and take things as carefully as possible.
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Hope you enjoyed your first game here in quite a while!
Was there a scum chat?
Granted after D1 you were in an awful position and it probably wasn't salvageable but your lack of thoughts didn't help your case.
If I may I think the follow up gusto was what was missing. You had the initial part down but you never really took a strong stance. If you'd been able to follow up the "I claimed Vanilla-izer as a cop to generate reactions and I saw x, y, z" it might have been more convincing. To me at least. Shadow was probably always going to be at your throat after the RPS game went the way it did.
Nothing to worry about. Ruma was obvious scum today really. I just got too excited trying to break the game mechanically.
@Cether who did you target N1?
This is the wrong way to do it but it's probably right regardless.
Vote: Ruma
My argument is not really based on his behavior at all at this stage. He's objectively the most likely to be scum at this juncture. It's that he's claimed alignment cop and we can force him to hard clear his needed mislynch (you).
Ruma never survives this game. He just doesn't. But I don't want to go to a final 4 of (cantrip/me), you, Cether, Manasi. It's a low percentage world but from this spot I think we lose in that world a decent % of time.
I get the desire for a perfect game. And I don't hate yolo'ing it but if we're all wrong (which is unlikely) tomorrow is going to suck.
I completely understand what you're saying and Ruma's play today screams scum to me. But mechanically he's trapped tomorrow by this. He has no outs if we play it this way.
And we don't need another lynch. This route gives us two lynches and two question marks unless you're worried about Cantrip.
No lynching here leads to 3 clears (if we're counting Cantrip) and two questions. Those numbers always win.
It's not about salvaging pride on a bad read, it's about covering all the bases.
I'm not really protected from scum!Shadow by lynching him tomorrow as there isn't a strong reason to think it's sucm shadow vs scum Manasi or Ruma. And I only get 1 more lynch if we lynch Ruma now and go into tomorrow with multiple question marks. I don't love the crap shoot of having to sort out you/Manasi/Cether without a ton of reliable info tomorrow.
On your second point you could just be lying about your role all together. Scum you skipped a kill last night in that world and you have an unrelated role like a role cop or something unprovable.
Third why does Ruma do anything? It's not an alignment indicative thing in my eyes.
Like I get that it's probably just me refusing to see things because I want to be right about Ruma, but Shadow's mechanical arguments are weak here. I'd rather not rush it and take things as carefully as possible.