So some friends did some digging. This is directly from the commander forums and was posted just after partial paris went away.
...anyone claiming this method has anything to do with cheating has zero ground to stand on.
The problem is, while so many know of and use this rule, there is no mention of it in the official magic the gathering rules pdf, and there has been minimal coverage on wotc's website (again just a few blurbs)
So, maybe step down from the "its cheating pedastal" and examine it for what it is, and that it has been a pushed recommendation that apparently isnt known any more because of wotc/rules committee being less formal... thus causing conflict when two groups of players collide
Not for nothing but i cant help but feel as if ya'll have grossly misinterpret what we do for mulligans
"Mulligans are now just the "Vancouver mulligan." While taking a free seven-card redraw and setting aside a hand to simply draw a new one are still recommended, the old "partial Paris" and other mulligan rules are gone. Just mulligan and draw one less card each time, then scry 1 when you keep your hand!"
Thats what we do, thats taken directly from an article wotc posted when you google commander mulligan rules. Theres no cheating involved based on that.
The only real difference is you can use that recommendation, or the standard approach,
Its not a new or different system, and i do find several forum posts and articles talking about it being an option as an approach. There however is no mention of it in any official rules capacity, which is what this guy had such issue with.
we've long done them one of two ways. there's the typical vancouver mulligan option, which creates a lot of shuffling and can be a time waster but it usually balances out. alternatively we'll allow for the same style mulligan where you instead just set aside that hand and draw, utilizing the vancouver rules without all the damn shuffling to speed things up.
we've had new people show up for years and do exactly this style of mulligan.
tonight we had a dude show up who, after winning several games in a row, threw the biggest fit over how mulligans were handled. he insisted it wasn't the way anyone does mulligans anywhere. he claimed we were "not playing commander", "doing commander wrong" and that "we all need to be on the same page with mulligans" (despite everyone else being on that page, including a guy who had never played at the store prior to tonight). guy wanted it in writing that we were doing it an accepted way. no one could find anything other than a mention that its an unofficial recommended way to save time as per the rule committee. it was extremely frustrating.
it got the gears turning though, and now i'm wondering how other people handle mulligans. despite so many over the years coming into our group and handling mulligans the exact way that we have been, has everyone in my region been wrong?
given this guy's deck, and attitude, at one point refusing to adhere to a missed mandatory trigger that the table agreed to acknowledge... i'm more inclined to believe he had difficulty with his playgroup and was forced into finding a new one, but it never hurts to get alternative perspectives on rules and perceived norms.
so, how do you all do mulligans, and is there anything in writing that we can utilize?
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So some friends did some digging. This is directly from the commander forums and was posted just after partial paris went away.
...anyone claiming this method has anything to do with cheating has zero ground to stand on.
The problem is, while so many know of and use this rule, there is no mention of it in the official magic the gathering rules pdf, and there has been minimal coverage on wotc's website (again just a few blurbs)
So, maybe step down from the "its cheating pedastal" and examine it for what it is, and that it has been a pushed recommendation that apparently isnt known any more because of wotc/rules committee being less formal... thus causing conflict when two groups of players collide
"Mulligans are now just the "Vancouver mulligan." While taking a free seven-card redraw and setting aside a hand to simply draw a new one are still recommended, the old "partial Paris" and other mulligan rules are gone. Just mulligan and draw one less card each time, then scry 1 when you keep your hand!"
Thats what we do, thats taken directly from an article wotc posted when you google commander mulligan rules. Theres no cheating involved based on that.
The only real difference is you can use that recommendation, or the standard approach,
Its not a new or different system, and i do find several forum posts and articles talking about it being an option as an approach. There however is no mention of it in any official rules capacity, which is what this guy had such issue with.
we've long done them one of two ways. there's the typical vancouver mulligan option, which creates a lot of shuffling and can be a time waster but it usually balances out. alternatively we'll allow for the same style mulligan where you instead just set aside that hand and draw, utilizing the vancouver rules without all the damn shuffling to speed things up.
we've had new people show up for years and do exactly this style of mulligan.
tonight we had a dude show up who, after winning several games in a row, threw the biggest fit over how mulligans were handled. he insisted it wasn't the way anyone does mulligans anywhere. he claimed we were "not playing commander", "doing commander wrong" and that "we all need to be on the same page with mulligans" (despite everyone else being on that page, including a guy who had never played at the store prior to tonight). guy wanted it in writing that we were doing it an accepted way. no one could find anything other than a mention that its an unofficial recommended way to save time as per the rule committee. it was extremely frustrating.
it got the gears turning though, and now i'm wondering how other people handle mulligans. despite so many over the years coming into our group and handling mulligans the exact way that we have been, has everyone in my region been wrong?
given this guy's deck, and attitude, at one point refusing to adhere to a missed mandatory trigger that the table agreed to acknowledge... i'm more inclined to believe he had difficulty with his playgroup and was forced into finding a new one, but it never hurts to get alternative perspectives on rules and perceived norms.
so, how do you all do mulligans, and is there anything in writing that we can utilize?