TBH I should have realized tom was scum. He literally convinced me to go for a no-hang when attacking D_V, which was bad(on my part), and I probably should have noticed that scum like no hangs.
Also I shouldn't have forgotten that tubba existen when choosing who to protect. That was certainly a mistake(The worst part is the next day all I was thinking was "Oh shoot, someone will ask me why I didn't save tubba and the response 'I forgot he existed' is probably going to get me hanged", so I was not playing especially well.)
This game did play to my strength, which is not getting hanged as town.
To be honest, town should have won. But the double no hang was a problem.
Trynna find a reason to say that lynching me isn't a smart idea, but like, I don't have one *shrugs*. I've played terribly. I will argue that I am not scum and lynching me is at best, gonna inform you that I am telling the truth about this, at worst gonna cost the game.
I will say earlier when I switched to D_V over ETR, I was trying to lynch ETR but I didn't think people would vote him, so I tried to manipulate the votes but it didn't work. Eh, it was a bad choice.
I will also try and look over the game to try and work stuff out, but I wouldn't expect much out of me
I really don't like this post. It doesn't sound like something that comes from town, especially with the AtE.
Can you explain your reasoning again? If I'm not scum due to D_V, then what actions have you found scummy?
Also, EtR IS voting me for the bad reason of saying that me and D_V's alignments are not independent of each other. In addition, he deliberately misinterpreted what I was saying; does anyone really believe he thought I claimed scum?
Presumably it means DVs alignment is irrelevant to his?
Which is almost never true its just a matter of how relevant but its a thing people say.
vote zdtsd
Both this and EtR's vote seem pretty weak; I said that we were unrelated. We might have some small correlation between alignment from interactions, but D_V being town doesn't really make me more scummy by any meaningful amount.
Reviewed EtR. Only a few things to note. D1 he was specifically objecting to the Rodemy kill. D2 we had a disagreement about town/scum perspectives - this is probably not that significant, but jumped out because I was directly involved. D3 he was one of several with an argument with DV, but that describes half the game.
EtR: Can you give us a current T/S list?
I'm pretty much where I was the end of yesterday, I think, but let me put one out here:
EtR
tomsloger
Vaimes
Highroller
Rumanshi
vezokpiraka
Silvercrys3467
zdtsd
I still believe that ZD and DV can't be aligned. ZD's story hasn't felt consistent with regards to what his role can do and I still believe FUWA was super scummy. I agree that KA has to go soon though as we don't know his win con. Silver and Vez are no change from yesterday. With the way DV ended yesterday I don't think we are going to get a lot from his wagon, but the Vez hammer felt super greedy. Otherwise, pretty similar to yesterday.
Me and D_V are unrelated in alignment. I don't see the connection
My story is completely consistent. If you actually checked, it would all be continuous.
So the only thing me keeping this secret does is have a chance to prevent Mafia from doing what they want, with no repercussions for town.
The repercussions are verification, or lack thereof. If you claim to have cocooned X, and later X dies and you don't, then we know you were lying.
The problem with this logic is this: Why would I do that? If I do that as town, then town loses a minor advantage. If I do it as scum, then scum loses a minor advantage.
So given that I know my role, doing that is always suboptimal for me, regardless of alignment.
Vezok, if someone cocooned would be NKed, then I die INSTEAD, not in ADDITION. So the only thing me keeping this secret does is have a chance to prevent Mafia from doing what they want, with no repercussions for town.
Prevent mafia from doing... What exactly?
The only thing it does it keep information from the town that might help us.
At this point, with 3 cocoons, there is nearly no information given other than indicating that at least 1/4 of the group is town. However, if I can get the Mafia to kill me rather than the person they want to kill, that gives town a minor advantage.
If people want me to claim my target then I will, but it does minorly disadvantage town.
D_V's actions were erratic, inscrutable, and completely counterproductive to the town, to the point where I - who believed he was mafia - couldn't possibly imagine he was town because how the hell could this guy be town, and vezok - who believed he was town - didn't even care if he was town, because he was that much of a liability.
Vezok, why do you think there are 4 scum? that would require 5 scum total in the game, which is a lot. I didn't protect Tubba because I found my protection target slightly townier.
Assuming you're telling the truth about the second nightkill.
Which, explain this to me, because I want to make sure I have this right: Are you saying that in addition to the nightkill we see each night, there's been an additional nightkill attempt every night so far and you've successfully protected against it? Each night?
Why don't you claim your protection target?
No, I never said that.
None of my protection targets have been targeted by an NK.
Also does ANYBODY understand my role?
Vezok, if someone cocooned would be NKed, then I die INSTEAD, not in ADDITION. So the only thing me keeping this secret does is have a chance to prevent Mafia from doing what they want, with no repercussions for town.
Vezok, why do you think there are 4 scum? that would require 5 scum total in the game, which is a lot. I didn't protect Tubba because I found my protection target slightly townier.
[quote]Anyway I think Ztd didn't get delayed night 1. It was just a misunderstanding from the mod. I might be wrong on this and ztd needs to clarify.
I did get delayed, I was told my ability would resolve at EoD 2, whereas my N2 ability resolved at night. I think it is possible that the second delay N2 was on a VT or Ghostbuster, which would have no effect and they probably wouldn't be told.
I am going to begin this by asking, because I have never played here before: Is this style of play normal for Riku? because I know that in a vacuum he is scummy, but there might be a meta argument for why the short posts and such are not scum. Is there?
Also, D_V's tone right now seems towny to me, so D_V actually looks town. This makes silver the definite most likely scum, probably followed by Riku or Vezok.
>Role isnt likely as claimed, probable protection from ghostbuster kills, possible the delayer with the marshmallow cocoon flavor
>Target n1 doesnt make sense. Fuwa top townreads grape and vaimes.
>Freely claiming targets makes zero sense from any perspective except trying town read. And just a lot of the way hes dribbled out the full claim reeks of "but wait theres more"
>position on rod wagon, just as it became clear that was happening basically. And following what looks like a super awkward distancing attempt and no vote til he got called out on it.
>also spent several posts trying to connect people to rod while not *actually* talking about rod himself
>zdt going all in on dv. Circular reasoning since best point for dv town is zdt being scum but like man look at it in that world and tell me its not scummy af
1. There is no reason that the role should protect from daykills, and it still could, if cantrip didn't say it could to keep them secret.
2. I agree target n1 doesn't make sense. But I can read too; I know who Fuwa TRed, so this is NAI.
3. I didn't "dribble out" the claim; people kept asking me for clarification. Plus, I claimed the targets because it has very limited downside, with potentially lots of upside.
4. No response to this, IDK why fuwa did this
5. same as 4
6. My going all-in on D_V was a case of confirmation bias, but D_V is still scummy.
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Also I shouldn't have forgotten that tubba existen when choosing who to protect. That was certainly a mistake(The worst part is the next day all I was thinking was "Oh shoot, someone will ask me why I didn't save tubba and the response 'I forgot he existed' is probably going to get me hanged", so I was not playing especially well.)
This game did play to my strength, which is not getting hanged as town.
To be honest, town should have won. But the double no hang was a problem.
Deal with it.
I really don't like this post. It doesn't sound like something that comes from town, especially with the AtE.
Deal with it.
Speculating on what Mafia will do in a place Mafia can see it doesn't seem good.
I will target whoever I think needs to be in LyLo, not necessarily Vezok(could be though).
Deal with it.
Can you explain your reasoning again? If I'm not scum due to D_V, then what actions have you found scummy?
Also, EtR IS voting me for the bad reason of saying that me and D_V's alignments are not independent of each other. In addition, he deliberately misinterpreted what I was saying; does anyone really believe he thought I claimed scum?
Deal with it.
Both this and EtR's vote seem pretty weak; I said that we were unrelated. We might have some small correlation between alignment from interactions, but D_V being town doesn't really make me more scummy by any meaningful amount.
Deal with it.
Me and D_V are unrelated in alignment. I don't see the connection
My story is completely consistent. If you actually checked, it would all be continuous.
Well me not saving anyone is mid-low chance.
Not tracking anyone, however, is near 0 chance.
In addition, people (person) want me to reveal who I protected.
I protected Vaimes, because I thought there was no way for vaimes to be scum, while I was not completely sure about tubba.
I still think that both EtR/Silver is scum, and possibly Riku or Kami as the last. Kami in opaprticular seems bad.
I mean, worst case scenario a kami hang kills a 3p.
So Vote: KamikaziArchon because we don't need a 3p around right now.
Deal with it.
You are off by a factor of about 1 alignment.
The problem with this logic is this: Why would I do that? If I do that as town, then town loses a minor advantage. If I do it as scum, then scum loses a minor advantage.
So given that I know my role, doing that is always suboptimal for me, regardless of alignment.
At this point, with 3 cocoons, there is nearly no information given other than indicating that at least 1/4 of the group is town. However, if I can get the Mafia to kill me rather than the person they want to kill, that gives town a minor advantage.
If people want me to claim my target then I will, but it does minorly disadvantage town.
Deal with it.
No, I never said that.
None of my protection targets have been targeted by an NK.
Also does ANYBODY understand my role?
Vezok, if someone cocooned would be NKed, then I die INSTEAD, not in ADDITION. So the only thing me keeping this secret does is have a chance to prevent Mafia from doing what they want, with no repercussions for town.
Deal with it.
Deal with it.
With 3 people already cocooned, the information gained from my death is negligible, so I will only claim if the person is targeted by an NK.
Plus this means scum cannot play around my ability.
Deal with it.
Why was D_V the hang?
I think that both silver and EtR would have been better.
Also does anyone remember what being slimed does?
Deal with it.
I did get delayed, I was told my ability would resolve at EoD 2, whereas my N2 ability resolved at night. I think it is possible that the second delay N2 was on a VT or Ghostbuster, which would have no effect and they probably wouldn't be told.
Deal with it.
Deal with it.
Also, D_V's tone right now seems towny to me, so D_V actually looks town. This makes silver the definite most likely scum, probably followed by Riku or Vezok.
Deal with it.
1. There is no reason that the role should protect from daykills, and it still could, if cantrip didn't say it could to keep them secret.
2. I agree target n1 doesn't make sense. But I can read too; I know who Fuwa TRed, so this is NAI.
3. I didn't "dribble out" the claim; people kept asking me for clarification. Plus, I claimed the targets because it has very limited downside, with potentially lots of upside.
4. No response to this, IDK why fuwa did this
5. same as 4
6. My going all-in on D_V was a case of confirmation bias, but D_V is still scummy.
Deal with it.