It gives your creatures lifelink. The best part of old Sorin, and he does it for free. And he returns creatures the turn he comes in. What is not to like? It is a very good 4 mana resurection spell that leaves behind a walker and some life. It protect itself, witch you need in a good walker.
Think of it as a modular spell with lifegain and reanimate.
The last deck in the primer from 2005 has some gifts ungiven packages. But I can not see what you tutor for. Do anybody know? As far as I can see you can do duress, eternal witnes, cabal therapy and at least be safe to see 2 cards in their hand. I am a bit uncertain.
One thing I do not like about my bellow rock is how vunerable it is to gravyeard hate. While at the same time not really using the gravyeard all that much.
Goyf, Ooze, Liliane of the Last hope, traverse the ulvenwalden do not like seing rest in piece etc. I feel a lot of decks are packing A+ gravyeard hate because of the meta.
Is it possible to buid the deck so the gravyeard is not quite such a problem?
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I have run 2 in the main when I run flayers. They are supricingly relevant, and it opens up slots in the sifeboard. I no flayer rock I think they sound a bit worse.
Although Sol Maka played mishras baubles, so you never know.
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@akalah I to have been experimenting with rock and eldrazies before. I did try some weard lists. Matter reshaper/kitchen finks/eternal witnes into edlrict evolution for smasher or TKS. My general takeaway was that it was hard to balance the mana. I was heavy into planes walkers. I do notvthink such a deck can support double green and black. Should I run birds? Who knows.
All I know is that TKS is the pinacle of what GBx wants to do. Remove hands and apply preasure. In the end I could not make it work. Adding a 4th colour demands a lott of mana. Perhaps FoR could help out? Also, warping wail is a cool one of.
But enough about that. How do people feel about tasigurs over bobs?
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FlyingDelver I do belive it was a stock list I used when I found the list running 2 sword of fire and ice.
As I said the list was a very different beast then what we are seeing now.
If I rememver correctly it must have been something like:
4 Bop
4 Wall of Blossoms
4 Eternal Witnes
4 Ravenus Ballots
1 Geneis
1 Kokusho, the Evening Star
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Vampyric Tutor
4 Pernicius Deed
2 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Reacurring Nightmare
1 Cranial Extraction
x amount of spot removal
1 Volraths Stronghold
4 Treetop Village
4 Wasteland (?)
1 Dustbowl
x amount of lands
I bring this up to debate Sword of Fire and Ice. As you can see the deck is an entierly different beast. Most notably Cabal Terapy is very good with Birds, Wall of Blossom and Eternal Witnes as they all rebuy resources, allow you to rebuy Cabal Therapy or flash it back. If the first terapy gets a hit, you can garantee that the second one gets a hit, if you are lucky enough to get 2 hits on one you are so far ahead on the resources. This foundation means that it justefies mana dorks. In that configuration Sword of Fire and Ice represents such good controll vs midrange decks, and card draw in grindy situations.
But that deck was absurd.
Also note that 2 Vampyric Tutor + Cranial Extraction or Haunting Echoes means you can mostly take out linear combo decks by removing a key piece. This deck was absurd. Eternal Witnes + Volraths Stronghold is absurd. Eternal Witnes + Genesis is Absurd. Eternal Witnes or Wall of Blossoms with Reacurring Nightmare is absurd.
Pernicius Deed was also so good. You popped it down, and then you can sweep when ever you want. And you can divide the mana over 2 turns, something we can not do with Gaze of Granite.
But Sword of Fire and Ice was also good with Treetop Village. With 5 lands you can stil trigger it. In these modern days Sword of Life and Death could also be cool. Unfortunatly I do not think it is very good as you need mana dorks to run them probably, and modern Rock can not support them. That being said both of them are good at grinding.
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This primer ia very well done. I only came 1/3 of the way before I realised I need to sett of time to read it propperly. Good job so far, I will get back to it if there is anything.
One thing, very minor, the format does not work on mobile phone. Do not swett it though, the decklist where fine and visible.
Some minor things. Around extended period rock, many lists ran sword of fire and ice. It is not mentioned. Mind you they ran bird so you could gi bird t1, sword 2, discard + equip attack turn 3. Mind you thise decks where chocked full of legacy style cards. (Cabal, tutor, stronghold and reacurring.)
Also, under gravyeard hate, could you list Ravrnous Trap. It is good vs dredge. And unlike leyline you do not have to draw it directly.
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Think of it as a modular spell with lifegain and reanimate.
Good with fulminator mage.
Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord
I think this can be good in a Traverse list. You hope to connect once to get something back ocne you have sett up a grind situasion.
4 Windswept Heath
2 Polluted Delta
2 Yavimaya Coast
1 Watery Grave
1 Temple Garden
1 Swamp
1 Plains
1 Island
5 Forest
4 Overgrown Tomb
Creatures [16]
4 Birds of Paradise
3 Eternal Witness
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Withered Wretch
1 Ravenous Baloth
1 Loxodon Hierarch
1 Genesis
1 Carven Caryatid
4 Putrefy
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Gifts Ungiven
3 Smother
3 Living Wish
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Duress
1 Haunting Echoes
1 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Withered Wretch
2 Naturalize
2 Duress
1 Carven Caryatid
1 Dimir House Guard
1 Eternal Witness
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Loxodon Hierarch
1 Meloku the Clouded Mirror
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Stabilizer
1 Llanowar Wastes
Goyf, Ooze, Liliane of the Last hope, traverse the ulvenwalden do not like seing rest in piece etc. I feel a lot of decks are packing A+ gravyeard hate because of the meta.
Is it possible to buid the deck so the gravyeard is not quite such a problem?
Although Sol Maka played mishras baubles, so you never know.
All I know is that TKS is the pinacle of what GBx wants to do. Remove hands and apply preasure. In the end I could not make it work. Adding a 4th colour demands a lott of mana. Perhaps FoR could help out? Also, warping wail is a cool one of.
But enough about that. How do people feel about tasigurs over bobs?
As I said the list was a very different beast then what we are seeing now.
If I rememver correctly it must have been something like:
4 Bop
4 Wall of Blossoms
4 Eternal Witnes
4 Ravenus Ballots
1 Geneis
1 Kokusho, the Evening Star
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Vampyric Tutor
4 Pernicius Deed
2 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Reacurring Nightmare
1 Cranial Extraction
x amount of spot removal
1 Volraths Stronghold
4 Treetop Village
4 Wasteland (?)
1 Dustbowl
x amount of lands
I bring this up to debate Sword of Fire and Ice. As you can see the deck is an entierly different beast. Most notably Cabal Terapy is very good with Birds, Wall of Blossom and Eternal Witnes as they all rebuy resources, allow you to rebuy Cabal Therapy or flash it back. If the first terapy gets a hit, you can garantee that the second one gets a hit, if you are lucky enough to get 2 hits on one you are so far ahead on the resources. This foundation means that it justefies mana dorks. In that configuration Sword of Fire and Ice represents such good controll vs midrange decks, and card draw in grindy situations.
But that deck was absurd.
Also note that 2 Vampyric Tutor + Cranial Extraction or Haunting Echoes means you can mostly take out linear combo decks by removing a key piece. This deck was absurd. Eternal Witnes + Volraths Stronghold is absurd. Eternal Witnes + Genesis is Absurd. Eternal Witnes or Wall of Blossoms with Reacurring Nightmare is absurd.
Pernicius Deed was also so good. You popped it down, and then you can sweep when ever you want. And you can divide the mana over 2 turns, something we can not do with Gaze of Granite.
But Sword of Fire and Ice was also good with Treetop Village. With 5 lands you can stil trigger it. In these modern days Sword of Life and Death could also be cool. Unfortunatly I do not think it is very good as you need mana dorks to run them probably, and modern Rock can not support them. That being said both of them are good at grinding.
One thing, very minor, the format does not work on mobile phone. Do not swett it though, the decklist where fine and visible.
Some minor things. Around extended period rock, many lists ran sword of fire and ice. It is not mentioned. Mind you they ran bird so you could gi bird t1, sword 2, discard + equip attack turn 3. Mind you thise decks where chocked full of legacy style cards. (Cabal, tutor, stronghold and reacurring.)
Also, under gravyeard hate, could you list Ravrnous Trap. It is good vs dredge. And unlike leyline you do not have to draw it directly.