Oh god, thank goodness that's over. I hate being scum. I hated myself for bussing Silver, I hated lynching Ruma, I felt so insincere trying to push Meteor and when I reread, I would have lynched myself.
Thanks everyone! Good Job Meteor and GJ, you got me.
Yeah GJ. I town read you soooo hard that I decide to claim you were green, when I really got red. You guys got me. I really hope you’re being sarcastic
I didn't think so either, but meteor was so hard on it and I couldn't get a clear answer when I tried to reread it, that I was trying to get you to clarify.
Ill try to get some questions for you two later.
I didn't read it like you asked GJ.
I read it as JT scumslipping. Then JT explained what he meant and his explanation made no sense to me at all.
In fact I still don't understand what was the point of the comment, thats why I am suspicious of him trying to cover the scumslip I saw originally.
Well, I guess we are at a standstill because I'm struggling to see how you think it's a scum slim. It looks like a desperate case to me.
Yeah GJ. I town read you soooo hard that I decide to claim you were green, when I really got red. You guys got me. I really hope you’re being sarcastic
We already went over the reason why you decided to do that. See #489. Don't act like you just saw my post about you claiming Cop on GJ and also the post from GJ that followed it. You obviously read it before and it was part of the reason you decided to claim cop on GJ and not scum.
Regarding the scumslip, stop walking around the subject. I am saying again - humor me. Walk me through on what you were trying to say with that comment. Be specific.
I JUST DID! You're grasping so hard. Stop wasting my time and especially GJ's.
So JT is the mafia?
Damn, now I am glad I am not the kingmaker because I'm pretty sure I would have voted for GJ. wow I got played bad lol.
I can't think of any scenario that you are mafia GJ, but I will wait for JT to bring his scummy ass here and clear you before I vote for him just in case I am missing something crazy here.
So I kinda feel like we are screwed.. I basically said the mafia is clear myself yesterday based on his interactions with Silver (clearly I was wrong and Ruma was right lol)..
GJ you have any questions for me? Want some online interaction? Anything that might help me prove I'm a cop?
So JT is the mafia?
Damn, now I am glad I am not the kingmaker because I'm pretty sure I would have voted for GJ. wow I got played bad lol.
I can't think of any scenario that you are mafia GJ, but I will wait for JT to bring his scummy ass here and clear you before I vote for him just in case I am missing something crazy here.
So I kinda feel like we are screwed.. I basically said the mafia is clear myself yesterday based on his interactions with Silver (clearly I was wrong and Ruma was right lol)..
GJ you have any questions for me? Want some online interaction? Anything that might help me prove I'm a cop?
You seem pretty sure JT is going to come back green on me.
I didn't think there is any benefit for mafia in any scenario where everyone claims red check. Based on your reaction I am assuming there is a benefit that I missed? At the middle of work so can't really proccess it all right now.
I didn't think there is any benefit for mafia in any scenario where everyone claims red check. Based on your reaction I am assuming there is a benefit that I missed? At the middle of work so can't really proccess it all right now.
When Tiger asked if he saw a problem, that was what I thought he meant without saying anything: If Terry is the last wolf, what is stopping Terry from coming in and saying he got a red check on me? Hell, if he is town, and you are a wolf, what would have stopped you from saying you had a red check on Terry (knowing you framed me). You know how Terry would enter, because as a framer, you would know who is going to be the false red. That was the issue I found out with the claims. What is stopping the last wolf from lying about his check? If I were a wolf, I just frame Terry, and claim red on you. Terry would be red on me, and you'd be red on Terry. Try and figure out whose lying.
So you are saying if there are 3 scum checks, even though we have two town players who are saying the truth about their investigation, we still won't have any contradiction between two of the three players that comfirms one town? F***. I hope you are wrong and missing something or our chances are lower than I thought.
Which, now that I think about it, is pretty interesting because that implies that he KNEW what my result would have been.
I also meant that the benefit of claiming cop on GJ is huge as mafia because now you have an action that doesn't make sense to do as mafia on your resume which seperates you from myself. The fact you immediately pointed out as your first point as your main defence shows that shows you are also aware how much benefit it gains you, so you didn't ask the question genuinely, you already knew the answer and just wanted to point out how much of a cop it makes you in the first chance you got.
Regarding the miller claim I made a mistake and forgot to take the miller into account when I was analyzing.
Ok, you are talking about "The Benefit of Claiming Cop", which I respond to with...
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The benefit claiming green is giving GJ real information to work with. The fact that I addressed it, was just that it was a topic of discussion when I came into the Day. It's all WIFOM at this point which is why I said that it doesn't mean anything coming from me.
It's very clear that I'm responding to your post talking about what I've claimed on GJ. I was simply continuing the conversation and making a edgy response about actually providing truthful/helpful information to GJ instead of filling his head with lies, which is what you are doing. I seriously can't believe this is the best you've got.
I addressed the posts leading up to this. There was really very little there for a case. So you’re wrong about me not defending myself. GJ and I are the only town left in this game so it’s our game to lose. Your word screwing is endless isn’t it?
I can’t believe I have to even respond to this but I will anyway. Switching to laptop
YES! This is why online interactions are so important. Best chance to find the slipping mafia. There is literally no way town!JT even bothers to make that comment why sharing his true night result is beneficial. He would have said "No, I got town result on GJ because I am a cop so I obviously shared it because the game is solved for me, I know Meteor is scum and of course to clear GJ in the process"
Here's a fun game. Let's compare what you say town!JT would say with what I actually said:
Well, you’ll have to flip a coin anyways. I have a green on GJ. So I know Meteor is the framer. I can build a big case on why he’s scum and I’m not tonight. I feel like this has already been touched on, but if I were scum I would have just said red on GJ on had a fair shot, but I’m town and hopefully real information helps GJ make a better choice.
YES! This is why online interactions are so important. Best chance to find the slipping mafia. There is literally no way town!JT even bothers to make that comment why sharing his true night result is beneficial. He would have said "No, I got town result on GJ because I am a cop so I obviously shared it because the game is solved for me, I know Meteor is scum and of course to clear GJ in the process"
Oh please, the topic being discussed was the pro and cons of how scum could have played this game going into today. I will laugh so hard if that's how GJ and I lose this game. Seriously, that's all you have for a case on me is a flimsy "scum slip case". It must be hard fabricating a real case then.
None of JT responses address the main point I was making..
JT, I am saying that the posts you chosed to "mindmeld" with Vaimes are forced and you wouldn't choose them as examples if you were a town with a true read of Vaimes.
I also meant that the benefit of claiming cop on GJ is huge as mafia because now you have an action that doesn't make sense to do as mafia on your resume which seperates you from myself. The fact you immediately pointed out as your first point as your main defence shows that shows you are also aware how much benefit it gains you, so you didn't ask the question genuinely, you already knew the answer and just wanted to point out how much of a cop it makes you in the first chance you got.
Regarding the miller claim I made a mistake and forgot to take the miller into account when I was analyzing.
Go back and reread my interactions with Vaimes, I explained several times pretty clearly why I town read him and I have no idea how this has to do with a case for me being scum.
The benefit claiming green is giving GJ real information to work with. The fact that I addressed it, was just that it was a topic of discussion when I came into the Day. It's all WIFOM at this point which is why I said that it doesn't mean anything coming from me.
Also, digging back through this game, I noticed I spent the first two pages confused about what the framer did and now I being accused of being the framer.
I also noticed, that when even asked explicitly by GJ to vote Abu/Silver, Meteor refuses and votes Ruma instead. I even call out the Silver/Abu-Meteor connection in detail in post #163.
Then me and silver fight for most of Page 4.
Metoer's post #205, starts off very similar to the post that got me going on Abu, "I see some suspicion about me" and continues on about not catching up or really reading.
I also was explicitly handed the opportunity to hammer Meteor and did not, instead I eventually hammer Scum-Silver. How does that make sense as scum!?
Post #219 really rubs me the wrong way with the "Riku now that you realize I am town, please answer", like what was the point of that. That's a guilty subconscious phrasing.
I mean, if it's Vaimes or GJ I probably lose to them.
If it isn't Meteor it has to be two in [you / Ruma / Tiger].
I don't think he's a wolf, but at this point I don't think I'm going to convince anyone else of it and I don't think we can let him into LyLo, he's a mislynch waiting to happen.
I'd like to get a few thoughts about my Meteor read and how valid/invalid it is before I commit, but I'm not opposed to lynching him, I guess.
Speaking of, what do you think about Meteor's lack of a guilty mindset?
This post seems super soft on Meteor, even a bit protective.
Meteor, with all due respect, 4 players voted for Godfather. Every one of the four votes, including yours, may be a scum buddy distancing. In fact, in my opinion, the least likely to distance is JT, who hammered when the vote with Riku was tied and could have gone either way. But again, not impossible.
And I am not saying I am concerned about you, I still have other people way higher on my suspect list, but I was uncomfortable with you being the last person to share, that's it. No need to get too defensive about it.
scum!JT hammering when the vote can swing makes even less sense, yet you hold him high on your scum list, it seems.
Just putting this up here to back up my points
Posts #350 and #352 felt a bit mud slingy to me and GJ points them out as opportunistic which is a bit of a better word for it. I need to go back and look at claim order for Day 2. I feel like Meteor also claimed like the second or third town check on Tiger, which seems pretty suspicious too, considering the Miller died Night 1.
@Tiger your suggestion sounds like something that would help mafia more than town. Please explain your rational.
Tiger was precisely right. Are best chance at hard-catching scum was a miller contradiction. The number 1 enemy for scum would have been the Miller. Scum have to fake claim results, so if they fake a green on a Miller it's game over. So right off the bat you are arguing for a Miller claim which is not beneficial for catching scum.
JT is doing here an ISO of Ruma setting him up as a mafia read, but restricts it with a Miller concern. Then in his next post JT suddently is fine with voting Ruma without any mention of the "nagging feeling" of him being the Miller and carry on to vote Ruma until flipping to hammer Silver without any word about the miller situation. A town player would never discard the thought of lynching the Miller - either they won't vote them or they will vote them and try to force them a claim if they really are the Miller but JT just ignores it completely. For example, Tiger #118 and GJ #132 are good examples to a townie reaction to a concern that Ruma is the miller.
. YEs, I had a nagging feeling that Ruma was the Miller. I also was very clear that the Miller was an ace in the hole and could nail scum. Did I vote Ruma later? Yes. Was I sure he was the Miller? No. Did I Lynch Ruma that day? No. Did I Lynch the Mafia Godfather? Yes. Yes I did. Was it clear that Silver was not the Miller? Yes.
I don't even understand how this is a case.
You wouldn't becuse you are scum. If you are town you would realize its not about actions but rather about motivation. Yes, you flipped from Ruma to Silver which is townie but WHY you did it was not related to the concern he is the miller which is scummy. If a feeling just disappears right after you have it, then its wasn't really a nagging feeling you genuinely had, is it?
The good news we got the comfirmed town! Congrats GJ!
The bad news I am the cop between JT and myself so we are screwed even more. I would vote myself right now if I didn't know my role PM. Well played JT, but I am not gonna let you get this win easy. More than I have up until now, at least.
First, point to address, which means nothing coming out of my mouth, but where is the benefit of claiming green on GJ if I were scum, I basically would have just cut my Lynch pool in half. You miss played this one. Frankly I don't know why you would frame me and claim on me, but I that makes more sense than me just straight up cutting my chances to win in half if I were scum.
I think the fact that's your main case for being town, the thing you feel is MOST important to note on why GJ should lynch me over you answers yout question.
What? I don't even understand this comment.
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Thanks everyone! Good Job Meteor and GJ, you got me.
Then to wrap this up:
If I were scum, why would I halve my Lynch pool, and when my "target" says he's screwed (see above) if I claim red, come in and claim GREEN on him.
Ok, that aside. Back to the skewing of words that Meteor has resorted to.
Ok, you are talking about "The Benefit of Claiming Cop", which I respond to with...
It's very clear that I'm responding to your post talking about what I've claimed on GJ. I was simply continuing the conversation and making a edgy response about actually providing truthful/helpful information to GJ instead of filling his head with lies, which is what you are doing. I seriously can't believe this is the best you've got.
I can’t believe I have to even respond to this but I will anyway. Switching to laptop
Here's a fun game. Let's compare what you say town!JT would say with what I actually said:
The benefit claiming green is giving GJ real information to work with. The fact that I addressed it, was just that it was a topic of discussion when I came into the Day. It's all WIFOM at this point which is why I said that it doesn't mean anything coming from me.
I also noticed, that when even asked explicitly by GJ to vote Abu/Silver, Meteor refuses and votes Ruma instead. I even call out the Silver/Abu-Meteor connection in detail in post #163.
Then me and silver fight for most of Page 4.
Metoer's post #205, starts off very similar to the post that got me going on Abu, "I see some suspicion about me" and continues on about not catching up or really reading.
I also was explicitly handed the opportunity to hammer Meteor and did not, instead I eventually hammer Scum-Silver. How does that make sense as scum!?
Post #219 really rubs me the wrong way with the "Riku now that you realize I am town, please answer", like what was the point of that. That's a guilty subconscious phrasing.
This post seems super soft on Meteor, even a bit protective.
Just putting this up here to back up my points
Posts #350 and #352 felt a bit mud slingy to me and GJ points them out as opportunistic which is a bit of a better word for it. I need to go back and look at claim order for Day 2. I feel like Meteor also claimed like the second or third town check on Tiger, which seems pretty suspicious too, considering the Miller died Night 1.