ALSO THE NEXT TWO POSTS WHERE HE VOTES YOU AND TOM ARE WEIRD, UNEXPLAINED AND MAKE NO SENSE WITH HIS CLAIMED ROLE.
I TRIED TO QUESTION HIM ABOUT IT. HE EXPLAINED THE VOTES TO BE SOFT TARGETS (PROTECT ME, AND THEN TOM IF I GOT LYNCHED (???)). I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF I GOT ANYTHING OTHER THAN, "IT'S DIAS." MY PROBLEM IS, DIAS HAS A TENDENCY TO DO WACK CLAIMS. EXAMPLE. LAST GAME I WAS IN, HE WAS SCUM, COUNTERCLAIMED HIS OWN BUDDY WHO CLAIMED COP WHEN THEY WERE ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED, AND WHEN THE ROLE COP FLIPPED THE NEXT DAY, HE CLAIMED THAT WAS HIS ROLE (DON'T ASK WHY IT TOOK 3 MORE DAYS TO LYNCH HIM.) BASICALLY, THIS KIND OF CLAIM IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING HE'D DO AS SCUM. BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE SEEN HIS TOWN GAME, SO I'M NOT TOO SURE.
INB4 WE GET 4 DEATHS CAUSE THERE'S AN UNCLAIMED VIG.
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I AM FAIRLY CERTAIN I AM DYING TONIGHT. WHICH IS SAD BECAUSE MY TRACKER ABILITY WOULD WORK IDENTICALLY TO A COP, UNLESS WE'RE DEALING WITH A NINJA.
WHICH IS WHY I ASKED IF CANTRIP WAS LIKELY TO HAVE TARGETED ME, SINCE THAT MEANS I WOULD HAVE BEEN ROLEBLOCKED.
AND NOW I FEEL BAD FOR LYNCHING DAN BECAUSE I DIDN'T READ CANTRIP'S ROLE CLOSELY AND DIDN'T REALIZE HIS ROLE WAS NEARLY A REPEAT OF DAN'S NORMALIZED ROLE, COUPLED WITH THE ROLEBLOCK. YEAH WE SHOULD HAVE LYNCHED DIAS. ESPECIALLY SINCE IF CANTRIP TARGETED ME, NO ONE CAN TARGET ME AND DIAS DOESN'T GET CLEARED. UNLESS MY READS ARE REALLY HORRIBLE AND FINAL SCUM ARE COUNTING ON ME MISLYNCHING TOWN TWO MORE TIMES.
AS FOR GRAPE, I ALSO HAVE PARANOID TENDENCIES TO SUSPECTING TOM, BUT I THINK HE IS TOWN. I'M JUST GONNA PRAY I'M NOT WRONG. SO I GET TINFOILING TOM, THOUGH IT IS A BIT EXCESSIVE. ONE THING THAT KIND OF BUGS ME IS I DON'T THINK GRAPE NEEDED TO CLAIM IMMEDIATELY THAT KPACA DIDN'T USE A NIGHT ABILITY (SINCE IT READS A LITTLE LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT WOULDN'T SCREW HIM OVER LATER ON). MIGHT BE NOTHING.
THERE WAS ALSO A POST FROM DIAS THAT FELT KINDA LIKE A SLIP:
Working on it. The metric of "my not self-hammering" is incredibly sketchy logic, considering it plays against both alignments' win conditions. Making the long post I'm brewing up is much more "fighting to the end" indicative. Manasi's response is very AtE.
I brought it up because I recalled vez defending you based on the logic that you fight to the end as scum. Not using it as reason for you being scum but rather countering vez' logic.
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My guess is the night delay is a scum role, but also 1-shot, and that scum has an additional regular use ability. That's basically worse case scenario.
Best case is it's the scum's only ability, but I kind of doubt that.
And yeah, the single-target delay seems to somewhat overlap with Cantrip's role.
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I'll take a closer look without comparing it to behavior your spoiler text on Dan is persuasive. Arguing that he was white knighting mikey and dias a lot less so. But again must compare to the text.
Why not?
Do you agree with the reasoning he presented in labeling Dias as town? How about Manasi?
(I talked a little D1 why his read on Mikey bothered me. I left it alone because he had meta, but it still felt disconnected with the rest of the thread.)
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(I mean, lack of claim though... Lack of claim...)
Plus, if it is a town role, it seriously overlaps with Manasi's. Feel like they would have come out already because that'll be helpful info to have.
Also, Manasi. I agree with vez that your response is townie. But we also don't know if that ability of yours actually exists, and it'll be hard to prove given we'd need two nights to prove it, and in that time, night kills could interfere.
I do want to use mechanics to narrow down possibilities but the roles seem to be unique in that some have 2 fairly different abilities, so if scum has one of those, they could hide behind their more town-friendly ability claim and still use the scum-oriented one maliciously.
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Sorry Dan for the tunnel/lynch. That + not tracking Kami was a blemish in a rather good game. Should have done those meta dives on you + Kami....
I'M HOPING THE GAME IS THAT EASY AND IT'S DIAS WHO'S SCUM. WISH I WERE MORE CONFIDENT IN MY TOWNREADS. WHICH IS TO SAY I WISH I HAD MORE.
I'M PRETTY SURE OUR REASONS ARE DIFFERENT
BUT THAT'S COOL. GRAPE IS TOWNLEAN MOSTLY FOR TONE AND I ALREADY KNOW THAT'S A BAD IDEA.
GONNA BRING THESE POSTS UP, YEAH.
INB4 WE GET 4 DEATHS CAUSE THERE'S AN UNCLAIMED VIG.
WHICH IS WHY I ASKED IF CANTRIP WAS LIKELY TO HAVE TARGETED ME, SINCE THAT MEANS I WOULD HAVE BEEN ROLEBLOCKED.
AND NOW I FEEL BAD FOR LYNCHING DAN BECAUSE I DIDN'T READ CANTRIP'S ROLE CLOSELY AND DIDN'T REALIZE HIS ROLE WAS NEARLY A REPEAT OF DAN'S NORMALIZED ROLE, COUPLED WITH THE ROLEBLOCK. YEAH WE SHOULD HAVE LYNCHED DIAS. ESPECIALLY SINCE IF CANTRIP TARGETED ME, NO ONE CAN TARGET ME AND DIAS DOESN'T GET CLEARED. UNLESS MY READS ARE REALLY HORRIBLE AND FINAL SCUM ARE COUNTING ON ME MISLYNCHING TOWN TWO MORE TIMES.
AS FOR GRAPE, I ALSO HAVE PARANOID TENDENCIES TO SUSPECTING TOM, BUT I THINK HE IS TOWN. I'M JUST GONNA PRAY I'M NOT WRONG. SO I GET TINFOILING TOM, THOUGH IT IS A BIT EXCESSIVE. ONE THING THAT KIND OF BUGS ME IS I DON'T THINK GRAPE NEEDED TO CLAIM IMMEDIATELY THAT KPACA DIDN'T USE A NIGHT ABILITY (SINCE IT READS A LITTLE LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT WOULDN'T SCREW HIM OVER LATER ON). MIGHT BE NOTHING.
THERE WAS ALSO A POST FROM DIAS THAT FELT KINDA LIKE A SLIP:WHY IS IT FRUSTRATING? MAYBE BECAUSE THE SLOT IS SCUM AND THAT WOULD MAKE HIM WRONG? MIGHT BE NOTHING TOO, THOUGH.
MAYBE THROW IN EVERYONE ELSE IF I'M BEING PICKY.
Best case is it's the scum's only ability, but I kind of doubt that.
And yeah, the single-target delay seems to somewhat overlap with Cantrip's role.
Do you agree with the reasoning he presented in labeling Dias as town? How about Manasi?
(I talked a little D1 why his read on Mikey bothered me. I left it alone because he had meta, but it still felt disconnected with the rest of the thread.)
Also, Manasi. I agree with vez that your response is townie. But we also don't know if that ability of yours actually exists, and it'll be hard to prove given we'd need two nights to prove it, and in that time, night kills could interfere.
I do want to use mechanics to narrow down possibilities but the roles seem to be unique in that some have 2 fairly different abilities, so if scum has one of those, they could hide behind their more town-friendly ability claim and still use the scum-oriented one maliciously.