Cantrip ;_; you're making this harder than it needs to be x_x
What do you mean?
I was hoping Killjoy would have responded.
I'm actually on for a little bit, if either of you are inclined to realtime. Ask me all the questions.
@Jey: If you're town, you ought to trust your first instincts. Me doing towny things, even if you think they're not as useful/applicable in a 1-day game, are reflective of me being town. Killjoy not doing anything may not be explicitly scummy in a regular game, but in a 1-day game, it's very questionable. I'm *still* not seeing much effort from him.
Actually @Jey,, how many games have you played where you were scum? How many did you win? Did you make it to endgame in any of them?
@Killjoy: Scum!you just has to sit there and wait for Jey to vote me, so I don't expect you to post. This is me calling you out. Town would post, so regardless of your alignment, get back in here and interact.
I'm so sorry. I know we're nearing the end, but I was painting (still!) and moving all day yesterday and more today. I don't know how much availability I'll have tomorrow, so I guess it's time to get some stuff sorted out.
The point of the FOSes was to maintain as close to a standard mafia game as I could. Obviously the mechanics of this game will impose restraints on the players, perhaps limiting our ability to read each other. The most obvious of which was the lack of ability to vote. So I sought to rectify that.
Ok, and like I said, I can see that coming from town, but it seems more likely to come from scum trying to look helpful.
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Also. Hm. @Jey/Cantrip: How do you plan to solve this game?
I'll get back to you on that.
I dislike this. The intent of the question was for you to answer immediately, not giving you time to think of what answer I'd find to be 'correct' but instead answering quickly, and therefore likely honestly. You've taken too long now and therefore the answer probably tells me nothing about your alignment, which annoys me.
I can understand that, and if you're town, I apologize. The way I planned to solve was to set up opportunities that I thought scum might find enticing (but not obviously so) and see how each of you responded to those. It's hard to state that without putting scum on their guard.
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Hm. I kinda like this. You seem to be framing the game in your own reference then using your tools to apply logic to it. It reads as natural. (It also reminds me of a Brady Bunch episode where Jan had trouble with maths, but then when it was reframed in terms of money she was able to do it quickly and awesomely. Sometimes people just need to reframe questions in their own terms to get a handle on them).
Do you find this alignment indicative, or do you just like it?
@Killjoy: Do you think "stream-of-consciousness" posting is more indicative of town or scum? Why?
In a vacuum, town by far. Scum like to filter themselves and that's hard to do while also looking natural while streamposting.
So this was one of my situations (I wouldn't go so far as to call them "traps"; they're more like "mindset checks"). I led off with a line that hinted at Jey's behavior being more scummy than townie ("A slew of sins *could* be hidden behind the defense of 'stream-of-consciousness posting'."), then asked your opinion to see if you parroted my lead-in sentiment or pushed in the other direction. I would have expected scum!Killjoy to parrot (probably lightly and/or with a caveat). I mostly like your response, but I note that there's a caveat ("in a vacuum"). If you're scum, I'd like to know post-game if it was obvious what I was doing.
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Question for you: In the world where scum!Jey exists, what is her game? How is she trying to win as scum?
If she's scum, I see her going the "who, little ol' me" innocence route, with newb card plays, general spewing, and the kind of pure posting that I'm seeing. Pure posting is hard to fake, though.
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Actually, I *did* find it somewhat scummy. I asked a VERY open-ended question ("do you see what I see"), which I think to the average town mindset would ring some alarm bells. He didn't question it, though; instead, he listed two possibly scummy things (playing the newb card, excessive nervousness), then added a caveat. It felt quite possibly like scum thinking they had found an "in" to paint someone scummy (while "following" someone else's lead), but also with a hedge in case the response was poorly received.
I disagree that it should have raised alarm bells, since there was something I did see with the post. I thought you saw it too.
Do you disagree with my assessment of it?
Actually, I saw some fearmongering ("oh gosh, it's going to be so easy to lose/this is going to be so hard").
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New topic (not to say we shouldn't continue the above discussion, too): Which alignment, town or scum, do each of you enjoy playing more? For me, I *love* the challenge of a 3rd party, but out of the two basic alignments, I think I prefer town just a little more. Probably because the victory of sousing out the informed minority when I'm one of the uninformed feels like more of a challenge than being deceitful and fooling the uniformed. But on the flip side, I feel like I have more freedom to be creative when I'm scum, so they're pretty evenly balanced for me.
Town more than scum, third party probably most (though I've had one chance at it). Town tries to solve puzzles while scum has a team to not let down.
This was another mindset check, because I was very much getting a "having fun" vibe from Jey and a "not having fun" vibe from you. It's not a strong indicator for me, but I think this makes it a little more likely you're scum.
To Both of You: I welcome the opportunity to have this filter applied to my own play to see how well it may gauge alignment in general; do you feel I've been excited about this game or more lackluster?
Are you talking about #12, or a different post? If 12, I'd see over-anxiousness and being excessively eager to jump on scumtells as behavior trending toward wanting a vote (any vote). But I disagree that that's the only avenue to finding sucm. I'm not entirely sure that I want to list all my ideas, as I'd rather not map out to the scum how to fool me.
12 and onward. On the contrary, I'd love to map out every possibility scum has to fool us and then dare to see them try it. (Vanilla) Town have nothing to worry about from posting their ideas, because if someone says "If we see this behavior it's bad" and then someone later performs that behavior we can call them out, get a reaction, and determine their intent. I guess maybe the behavior itself isn't a scumtell but everyhting around what happens there can be revealing.
Except for ideas that are dependent on reactions unfiltered by foreknowledge.
Wut? Like, ok, I'm all about the flavor, too, but I can't really see how this is helpful. I guess if it helps frame the situation in your mind...?
...Are you not worried about solving the game at all? Because that's what this sounds like to me.
Seriously? Where do you see "me not worried about solving the game" here? I could set up a hundred "flavor" variations, but it still boils down to the same thing: three entities, two teams, two objectives. I just didn't see how restating it helped (still don't).
So, first thing: votes should probably be FOSes instead. It still allows you to 'vote' as you normally would (allowing the analysis that goes along with that) and doesn't actually lead to anyone's quick and untimely death.
My strategy is just keep talking because someone will say something telling at some point. How do you know it's telling? Look at the intent of the post.
Thank you for doing that. The reason that I asked is that I didn't see anything in those posts (any of his early ones) that accomplished anything. There was plenty of blanket statements to go slow, but he didn't seem like he was trying to solve anything. So "slow and steady" I agree with; "wins the race" I questioned.
I'm not familiar enough with your meta to expect anything out of town!Jey or scum!Jey, but I would have expected scum to a) respond to BOTH negative assertions (newb card, excessive nervousness), and b) be a bit more defensive, especially in this one-shot environment. Your response felt a little more town, given that you didn't bother with the newb card assertion, were fairly casual and understanding as to why the excessive nervousness was aimed at you, and didn't attack Killjoy back.
That was what I wanted actually, more generic!Scum generic!Town since I agree you won't really know my specific meta! But you only answered half of my question. I mean you half did the other answer I guess but I'd like a more 'generic town would do {this}' than pointing out what I did specifically and vaguely hinting it was more town.
I didn't think I was "vaguely" hinting. I felt it was given that I would expect generic!Town to do things similar to what you did.
Because I like playing my cards (and strategies) close to the vest.
Reading this again makes me as unhappy as last time all over again.
Sorry. This is how I play. I know if I had time, I could dig up similar things I've done in other town games.
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Okay. I have a big picture now. I've been feeling pretty bad about Cantrip despite his solid playing all game but from what I could read he seemed like he was definitely playing for town, and Killjoy wasn't really playing at all, but I didn't feel bad about him. Why was that? What was the dissonance here?
I would posit that your lack of feeling bad about Killjoy was in part due to him not doing or saying anything that was alignment indicative (either way) for a good portion of the early game.
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So, I said Cantrip's play felt better. But now i'm realizing there's a problem here. His play feels really good for a Day 1 in a traditional mafia game, but here we only have one day. We're instantly in MyLo, and I think Cantrip's close-to-the-chest play is good for early game but not for a game-winning play. It dawned on me that his play is pretty genius in a scum perspective; it's typical from what you'd expect from a D1 towny but it also lets you not reveal too much unless you need to or it's convenient. In MyLo, there's no more secrets. The only secret left is the last scum.
What Cantrip is doing isn't as condusive to the town as it should be; it's great if he knows he's town but the rest of us would love to know that too, and you aren't giving it to us. We want to know your alignment, Cantrip. That fact that I'm not comfortable about it by now is a bad sign.
*shrug* I don't know how to "demonstrate town" other than how I play. Sometimes it gets me town read; sometimes it goes the other way.
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As for Killjoy, re-reading him gives me the same feeling I have been experiencing all game. There's two big unknowns, one bullet in the chamber, sending it the wrong way is game over. I feel like we have a lot in common: niether of us know how to skin this cat and he's throwing out whatever he can to identify who it is.
Meanwhile Cantrip knows exactly what he's doing because if he's scum, there's nothing to solve. Just push a vote anywhere.
There's plenty to solve; if you're town, you seem to be assuming a) that your way is the best way, and b) because Killjoy seems to be following your path, he's more likely to share your alignment.
So here's where I stand. My teammates have felt for a while that Killjoy is scum, and I pretty much agree. Jey's posts feel innocent in a way that would be hard to fake. Not having as many games under her belt makes me think it's even less likely that she's scum. This recent self-evaluation gives me a little pause, as there's a bit of a chance that she started the game seeing Killjoy as the easier target, but shifted once my participation became more spotty. However, I really don't think so.
On the Killjoy front, his response about stream of consciousness was unexpected, but maybe I was too obvious there. Most of his other responses I haven't liked (including the Brady Bunch response, which felt like a pocket attempt). His early game was a lot of no-content posts. His "how do you attempt to solve this game" question felt like scum fishing for strategies to guard against. His play doesn't feel invested or excited. I'm very much at the point where I think he's the scum.
I should have the opportunity to post again ~6 hours from now (and possibly between now and then), but I unfortunately can't guarantee that I'll be able to after that. So I will likely be voting Killjoy later tonight, and if I lose to Jey, it'll be because she's played a fantastic innocent.
@Jey: If this just makes you feel more like I'm scum, vote me and let's be done with it, but I welcome additional conversation if possible.
I don't have time for a full reply right this moment but I do want to mention that I'm bursting at the seems with your 'cards close to the chest' because I'm the exact opposite in general; I hardly ever have anything to hide and typically lay down what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it. Obviously if I have a PR I'd avoid mentioning it until it was necessary to do so, but other than that I don't really set traps or leave fellow town wondering. Just good ol' fashion 'what you said makes you scum for some reason' (because I can never clearly communicate a reason, it's something I know)
Hmm, interesting. So do you think this makes me more likely to be scum?
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Also for your 'new topic' my gut-reaction to your question is scum because there's fewer unknowns; I hate not knowing anything and I often second guess myself. The only thing I didn't know as scum was how people would react, which is my favorite part of playing the game.
Thanks for the response. I'd like to wait for Killjoy to respond before I follow up on it.
I would also like a full reply from you, of course, as time permits.
So my first attempt at this nonsense was trying to point out how scum would play in hopes they get really self conscious and out themselves or whatever. I feel like I could easily call that out. Nobody wanted to talk to me though. Whatever.
Are you talking about #12, or a different post? If 12, I'd see over-anxiousness and being excessively eager to jump on scumtells as behavior trending toward wanting a vote (any vote). But I disagree that that's the only avenue to finding sucm. I'm not entirely sure that I want to list all my ideas, as I'd rather not map out to the scum how to fool me.
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Another idea: This game might be flavorless, but that's where I excel; My imagination. Let's add some flavor.
We're 3 robbers going on an elaborate, high-stakes heist and we find that our equipment has been tampered with and collectively rule that someone is planning on double cross us. Now, without any physical evidence whatsoever, have to figure out who the double-crosser is and kill them for justice or whatever. How do we do that? So the double-crosser might take two routes, try to be quiet and see if an innocent is suspicious about the other innocent and jump on that wagon, or they could start the discussion and be the first to point a finger and hopes to sway an innocent with influence. There are many inbetweens this scenario has too.
As an innocent, I need to see who is more motivated to get someone killed than someone who is motivated to find out who is screwing their team over. So, there's the factors of the heist itself and its rewards to consider in this hypothetical but not in this mafia game, so I can't appeal to certain emotions of guilt or greed. Maybe I would provoke reactions and analyze them.
Wut? Like, ok, I'm all about the flavor, too, but I can't really see how this is helpful. I guess if it helps frame the situation in your mind...?
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I've been thinking about this and typing bits here and there at work but I have nothing better than "Read what they're saying and point my gun at whoever I feel worse about". That's it. I would need to see some reasoning and see that motivation to find the double-crosser and hope for the best. That seems... so *****ty though. Whoever I feel worse about. That's the best I got.
The more interactivity we have, the better. Not that I've been very good about that myself, but the more questions asked and answered, the closer we get to figuring out who "we feel worse about".
@JeyK: What do you think about Killjoy's assertion that your #6 comes off as excessively nervous? Also, do you think I like or dislike how he responded to my question (about your post #6)? Why/why not?
I disagree I'm excessively nervous, but I was nervous at first and I am dramatic in general, so I don't blame him for making that call.
Ok.
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Okay Cantrip, we can play this game. How would you have expected town!JeY and scum!JeY to reply to that question? The newest one you asked, for clarification.
I'm not familiar enough with your meta to expect anything out of town!Jey or scum!Jey, but I would have expected scum to a) respond to BOTH negative assertions (newb card, excessive nervousness), and b) be a bit more defensive, especially in this one-shot environment. Your response felt a little more town, given that you didn't bother with the newb card assertion, were fairly casual and understanding as to why the excessive nervousness was aimed at you, and didn't attack Killjoy back.
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Why are you waiting to answer Killjoy?
Because I like playing my cards (and strategies) close to the vest.
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I'm not sure who I feel worse about right now. I get better feelings about Cantrip's play so far, for what it's worth.
I disagree that just "X is scummier than Y" is substance. Reasoning helps. WHY do you get better feelings about my play so far?
I think you don't like it, but not in a way that doesn't seem scummy, it just doesn't add too much. He said it's easier for town to do scum than scum to do town, but that should be obvious I think?
Actually, I *did* find it somewhat scummy. I asked a VERY open-ended question ("do you see what I see"), which I think to the average town mindset would ring some alarm bells. He didn't question it, though; instead, he listed two possibly scummy things (playing the newb card, excessive nervousness), then added a caveat. It felt quite possibly like scum thinking they had found an "in" to paint someone scummy (while "following" someone else's lead), but also with a hedge in case the response was poorly received.
New topic (not to say we shouldn't continue the above discussion, too): Which alignment, town or scum, do each of you enjoy playing more? For me, I *love* the challenge of a 3rd party, but out of the two basic alignments, I think I prefer town just a little more. Probably because the victory of sousing out the informed minority when I'm one of the uninformed feels like more of a challenge than being deceitful and fooling the uniformed. But on the flip side, I feel like I have more freedom to be creative when I'm scum, so they're pretty evenly balanced for me.
-I went back and actually counted, I've played 7 games here and 3 games IRL.
Crazy. For some reason I had you in my mind as more experienced. Not that you're a newb or anything, but I thought you were more of a veteran.
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-Another note on my playstyle is 'stream of consciousness', I just fast-finger what I'm thinking. I rarely delete stuff but when I do you can be assured it's absolute garbage. If I had stuff I could actually summarize there you definitely wouldn't have needed to ask about it; it would've been there.
So why mention it?
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-...I read through his posts and honestly that's a good question. Only thing I've gathered is he believes slow and steady will win the race.
FOSes preserve the instinct to vote while at the same time not putting any risk on ending the game accidentally. It's not AS telling as votes but we really can't afford votes. I guess in a game this size it doesn't matter THAT much but still. It's something to consider.
Ok, but...like, let's say I FOS'd you in 17 because I didn't feel like you were contributing much (I *did* feel that way). Then this post I un-FOS you because you contributed (I also feel this way, but I definitely need more from you). Either a) I include my reasoning, in which case my suspicion is already on record and can be pointed back to without relying on FOS's, or b) I don't include my reasoning, in which case my FOS is near worthless. Either way, the FOS itself doesn't actually DO anything.
Your suggestion feels like you're trying to suggest something that sounds townie, but in reality doesn't help. There's a chance that this comes from town, but it makes me raise an eyebrow.
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If Jey had come in with a vote on one of us, I would have been mad because it would either A) End the game if you're scum, B) lead to the stupid endgame where scum and town are crossvoting and one person is confirmed.
A is bad for obvious reasons. B is bad because it's not a game anymore. It's just a slapfight between the two voters about why the other is scum and its just... less fun. Mafia is a social game and this eliminates part of that.
I like this response.
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As far as #6 goes... I see a few things. Newb card despite having played 7 games plus having a chat with experianced players to help with her reads if she needs. Which makes her nervousness a little excessive. I'd like to explore a bit more though because I would prefer a town read on one slot to a scum read. Its harder for scum to do town things than it is town to do scum things.
I'll come back to this.
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Also. Hm. @Jey/Cantrip: How do you plan to solve this game?
I'll get back to you on that.
@JeyK: What do you think about Killjoy's assertion that your #6 comes off as excessively nervous? Also, do you think I like or dislike how he responded to my question (about your post #6)? Why/why not?
Sorry to be the black hole. I'll post when I can. I knew it was going to be tricky playing this when I'm so busy, but couldn't resist giving it a try.
Initial Thoughts:
I'm amused that I'm playing a game with KJ and JK.
@Jey:
• Have you really only played 5 games?
• Trying to decide whether your exuberance is excited town or nervous scum.
• Not sure what to think of the "had a post or something, it got erased" comment. Why would you mention it like that then not summarize or try to recreate it? That doesn't seem helpful; it feels like you are trying to appear like you were being helpful (even before the game began, yo).
• What do you feel Killjoy has contributed to the game so far?
@KJ:
• What analysis do FOS's actually lend themselves to in a game like this? No flips, no wagons...how are you going to use FOS's to determine anything?
• If Jey really *had* come in and voted one of the two of us in their first post, why would that have made you angry?
• Do you see what I see in Jey's #6?
@Eco: Did you realize that your "Feral Octogenarians" announcement listed KJ as being on that team instead of Iso?
Sorry. I was pretty bummed that this didn't fire last Thursday/Friday when I could have contributed some before the weekend. I have literally been painting and doing home repairs since 7pm on Friday, just got home, have work in 6 hours, going to bed, will contribute tomorrow.
Vote Killjoy
I hope I'm right.
I was hoping Killjoy would have responded.
I'm actually on for a little bit, if either of you are inclined to realtime. Ask me all the questions.
@Jey: If you're town, you ought to trust your first instincts. Me doing towny things, even if you think they're not as useful/applicable in a 1-day game, are reflective of me being town. Killjoy not doing anything may not be explicitly scummy in a regular game, but in a 1-day game, it's very questionable. I'm *still* not seeing much effort from him.
Actually @Jey,, how many games have you played where you were scum? How many did you win? Did you make it to endgame in any of them?
@Killjoy: Scum!you just has to sit there and wait for Jey to vote me, so I don't expect you to post. This is me calling you out. Town would post, so regardless of your alignment, get back in here and interact.
Ok, and like I said, I can see that coming from town, but it seems more likely to come from scum trying to look helpful.
I can understand that, and if you're town, I apologize. The way I planned to solve was to set up opportunities that I thought scum might find enticing (but not obviously so) and see how each of you responded to those. It's hard to state that without putting scum on their guard.
So this was one of my situations (I wouldn't go so far as to call them "traps"; they're more like "mindset checks"). I led off with a line that hinted at Jey's behavior being more scummy than townie ("A slew of sins *could* be hidden behind the defense of 'stream-of-consciousness posting'."), then asked your opinion to see if you parroted my lead-in sentiment or pushed in the other direction. I would have expected scum!Killjoy to parrot (probably lightly and/or with a caveat). I mostly like your response, but I note that there's a caveat ("in a vacuum"). If you're scum, I'd like to know post-game if it was obvious what I was doing.
If she's scum, I see her going the "who, little ol' me" innocence route, with newb card plays, general spewing, and the kind of pure posting that I'm seeing. Pure posting is hard to fake, though.
Actually, I saw some fearmongering ("oh gosh, it's going to be so easy to lose/this is going to be so hard").
This was another mindset check, because I was very much getting a "having fun" vibe from Jey and a "not having fun" vibe from you. It's not a strong indicator for me, but I think this makes it a little more likely you're scum.
To Both of You: I welcome the opportunity to have this filter applied to my own play to see how well it may gauge alignment in general; do you feel I've been excited about this game or more lackluster?
Except for ideas that are dependent on reactions unfiltered by foreknowledge.
Seriously? Where do you see "me not worried about solving the game" here? I could set up a hundred "flavor" variations, but it still boils down to the same thing: three entities, two teams, two objectives. I just didn't see how restating it helped (still don't).
FTR, I agree that stream of consciousness is easier to do as town than scum.
Thank you for doing that. The reason that I asked is that I didn't see anything in those posts (any of his early ones) that accomplished anything. There was plenty of blanket statements to go slow, but he didn't seem like he was trying to solve anything. So "slow and steady" I agree with; "wins the race" I questioned.
I didn't think I was "vaguely" hinting. I felt it was given that I would expect generic!Town to do things similar to what you did.
Sorry. This is how I play. I know if I had time, I could dig up similar things I've done in other town games.
I would posit that your lack of feeling bad about Killjoy was in part due to him not doing or saying anything that was alignment indicative (either way) for a good portion of the early game.
*shrug* I don't know how to "demonstrate town" other than how I play. Sometimes it gets me town read; sometimes it goes the other way.
There's plenty to solve; if you're town, you seem to be assuming a) that your way is the best way, and b) because Killjoy seems to be following your path, he's more likely to share your alignment.
So here's where I stand. My teammates have felt for a while that Killjoy is scum, and I pretty much agree. Jey's posts feel innocent in a way that would be hard to fake. Not having as many games under her belt makes me think it's even less likely that she's scum. This recent self-evaluation gives me a little pause, as there's a bit of a chance that she started the game seeing Killjoy as the easier target, but shifted once my participation became more spotty. However, I really don't think so.
On the Killjoy front, his response about stream of consciousness was unexpected, but maybe I was too obvious there. Most of his other responses I haven't liked (including the Brady Bunch response, which felt like a pocket attempt). His early game was a lot of no-content posts. His "how do you attempt to solve this game" question felt like scum fishing for strategies to guard against. His play doesn't feel invested or excited. I'm very much at the point where I think he's the scum.
I should have the opportunity to post again ~6 hours from now (and possibly between now and then), but I unfortunately can't guarantee that I'll be able to after that. So I will likely be voting Killjoy later tonight, and if I lose to Jey, it'll be because she's played a fantastic innocent.
@Jey: If this just makes you feel more like I'm scum, vote me and let's be done with it, but I welcome additional conversation if possible.
@Killjoy: Convince me you're town.
Thanks for the response. I'd like to wait for Killjoy to respond before I follow up on it.
I would also like a full reply from you, of course, as time permits.
Wut? Like, ok, I'm all about the flavor, too, but I can't really see how this is helpful. I guess if it helps frame the situation in your mind...?
The more interactivity we have, the better. Not that I've been very good about that myself, but the more questions asked and answered, the closer we get to figuring out who "we feel worse about".
A slew of sins *could* be hidden behind the defense of "stream-of-consciousness posting".
@Killjoy: Do you think "stream-of-consciousness" posting is more indicative of town or scum? Why?
Actually, it's not. And yes, I'd like you to point to exactly what in his posts makes his mentality "slow and steady wins the race".
Ok.
I'm not familiar enough with your meta to expect anything out of town!Jey or scum!Jey, but I would have expected scum to a) respond to BOTH negative assertions (newb card, excessive nervousness), and b) be a bit more defensive, especially in this one-shot environment. Your response felt a little more town, given that you didn't bother with the newb card assertion, were fairly casual and understanding as to why the excessive nervousness was aimed at you, and didn't attack Killjoy back.
Because I like playing my cards (and strategies) close to the vest.
I disagree that just "X is scummier than Y" is substance. Reasoning helps. WHY do you get better feelings about my play so far?
Actually, I *did* find it somewhat scummy. I asked a VERY open-ended question ("do you see what I see"), which I think to the average town mindset would ring some alarm bells. He didn't question it, though; instead, he listed two possibly scummy things (playing the newb card, excessive nervousness), then added a caveat. It felt quite possibly like scum thinking they had found an "in" to paint someone scummy (while "following" someone else's lead), but also with a hedge in case the response was poorly received.
New topic (not to say we shouldn't continue the above discussion, too): Which alignment, town or scum, do each of you enjoy playing more? For me, I *love* the challenge of a 3rd party, but out of the two basic alignments, I think I prefer town just a little more. Probably because the victory of sousing out the informed minority when I'm one of the uninformed feels like more of a challenge than being deceitful and fooling the uniformed. But on the flip side, I feel like I have more freedom to be creative when I'm scum, so they're pretty evenly balanced for me.
So why mention it?
Where do you see that?
Ok, but...like, let's say I FOS'd you in 17 because I didn't feel like you were contributing much (I *did* feel that way). Then this post I un-FOS you because you contributed (I also feel this way, but I definitely need more from you). Either a) I include my reasoning, in which case my suspicion is already on record and can be pointed back to without relying on FOS's, or b) I don't include my reasoning, in which case my FOS is near worthless. Either way, the FOS itself doesn't actually DO anything.
Your suggestion feels like you're trying to suggest something that sounds townie, but in reality doesn't help. There's a chance that this comes from town, but it makes me raise an eyebrow.
I like this response.
I'll come back to this.
I'll get back to you on that.
@JeyK: What do you think about Killjoy's assertion that your #6 comes off as excessively nervous? Also, do you think I like or dislike how he responded to my question (about your post #6)? Why/why not?
Initial Thoughts:
I'm amused that I'm playing a game with KJ and JK.
@Jey:
• Have you really only played 5 games?
• Trying to decide whether your exuberance is excited town or nervous scum.
• Not sure what to think of the "had a post or something, it got erased" comment. Why would you mention it like that then not summarize or try to recreate it? That doesn't seem helpful; it feels like you are trying to appear like you were being helpful (even before the game began, yo).
• What do you feel Killjoy has contributed to the game so far?
@KJ:
• What analysis do FOS's actually lend themselves to in a game like this? No flips, no wagons...how are you going to use FOS's to determine anything?
• If Jey really *had* come in and voted one of the two of us in their first post, why would that have made you angry?
• Do you see what I see in Jey's #6?
@Eco: Did you realize that your "Feral Octogenarians" announcement listed KJ as being on that team instead of Iso?
/wolfyPop-In