@osie, @D_V: Tell me why you are town and should not be on the receiving end of the scalpel?
(NOT why the other should be killed)
Cause I'm town?
I refuse to answer this question any more. Its reductive.
Tell me why you are town bur.
Since I'm not actively lurking?
Since I'm trying to interact with people instead of going with the flow?
Since I'm actually interested in game state and trying to make sense of you and osie?
Bur is my pick for somebody who might be scum, but nobody would suspect him. His questions feel scripted instead of actually trying to solve the game, but that's just my gut talking and I have nothing concrete.
I'm probably wrong and Bur is town, but I felt I had to put it out there.
Shhh, don't ruin my secret plan of being somewhat townread, killing all the more townier people, making it to final 3, forcing people to my own plan and winning the game as deep wolf
But, in all seriousness: Feel free to take a look at me and my posts and convince others of what you see. And, if you have questions directed to me or at some point you don't understand what I'm after, ask away! I'll gladly answer any and all of your questions.
@osie: I don't think you ever followed up your #204: How does Shinichi flipping town make me or shadow more suspicious in your eyes?
What are your reads on non-Shinichi people right now and why?
If you could murder someone right now, who'd you kill (and why)?
Because you'd move down in POE, though at the moment it's more you and DoTA than you and Shadow. Worlds are pretty limited for me at this time; I'm still thinking pretty individually.
But I can go over everyone else I guess.
I'd probably shoot DV because he seems like he's either a not-very-helpful town or the other scum besides Shinichi. He's come into the thread after doing next to nothing, chosen town, and then made up reads on them. I might want to see Shadow's flip at that point for the sole reason that I could be pocketed by him this game, but primarily if not DV, then moving up on reads would be you or DoTA. Picking out of the two of you is pretty hard since I see town elements (good questions) and non-town elements on both of you. A lot of what you're saying is very global, very "Give me your impression," without "X specific detail." But you also have some of the latter, such as your questioning of Kami in #161. DoTA similarly is kinda just "What are your thoughts," though he also had the very specific question of Vezok in #105. Out of the two of you, I like fewer of DoTA's posts, but the posts I do like, I like more. You average out to about the same, though. I figured I'd be able to better decide after Shinichi's flip. Interaction analysis might happen today if I'm not too busy.
Okay, let me rephrase my earlier question. How does Shinichi flipping town -> Bur/DoTA being lower on PoE.
I'm not seeing this link between Shinichi flipping town and me/DoTA specifically being lower on your PoE, compared to others like vezok.
I'd like you to explain this to throughoutly, so that even a random drunkard from the street who has never played a game of mafia would understand it.
Like this:
I don't understand where osie is coming from with his town!Shinichi -> more likely scum!Bur or scum!DoTA
I asked osie about it and didn't really get anything out of it, besides some vague answers.
Scum fake reads, town make genuinely reads
If asked about reads, people with genuine reads can elaborate and explain how they got there.
Fake reads are much harder to be elaborated and explained and might contain some discrepancies.
If asked about reads and asked person gives you a good, elaborate explanation with concrete examples -> More likely town.
If asked about reads and asked person gives you a vague answer that doesn't really explain the reads -> More likely scum.
Which leads to: osie is asked about his "town!Shinichi PoE" and doesn't really answer your question properly -> More likely scum.
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@osie: I don't think you ever followed up your #204: How does Shinichi flipping town make me or shadow more suspicious in your eyes?
What are your reads on non-Shinichi people right now and why?
If you could murder someone right now, who'd you kill (and why)?
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On other news, I realised that town has kinda way to force themselves to victory if they ever end up in 3-man LyLo.
It requires town putting their trust on one person not being scum and town not acting out of line.
I'll elaborate: Let's say we have Apple, Banana and Cherry.
Apple is considered be really likely town and scum to be between Banana and Cherry.
Apple doesn't do anything with their scalpel. Banana and Cherry shoot each other, leaving only Apple alive. Town wins if Apple wasn't deed wolf.
If either of them (let's say Banana) acts out of line and shoot Apple, Apple shoots Banana back (and I guess Cherry could stop Banana's scalpel).
This results in Banana (and Apple) dead, leaving only Cherry alive. Assuming that Banana wasn't a town who acted out of line, Banana is the last scum who is now dead. Town wins.
Though, like I said, all of these fail if we have deep wolf/we don't have someone we can trust enough not to be deep wolf/non-Apple town decides to act out of line and shoots Apple.
But, that's just what came to me earlier today during my walk. What are your thoughts?
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I think Bur is town. I'm willing to shoot first if Bur is willing to holster.
This A gives Bur approval of my shot and B I doubt Bur has come to a town read on me yet so this speeds things up.
Bur give me your top 3? Members to shoot.
Mine at this point are
Osie
Osie
Osie
Yes, I'm willing to holster. I don't feel comfortable enough to shoot, leaving only you holding an knife, especially since it can mean town loss if both Shinichi/whoever I'd shoot were town and you were scum.
My top 3 to shoot right now:
Kami
DV
Osie?
I still don't feel good about Kami, and DV still worries me.
Though, I admit that willing to shoot first alleviated my worries a bit, but still.
Anyways, I have a day off tomorrow, so I'll actually be able to take a look at this game then, before DL.
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It bothers me that Shinichi hasn't done anything with their shot yet.
I'm currently holding it as a block till I see what Shinichi does.
Then I'm shooting either Shadow, Bur or Osie.
All three of them have shoved me into their "Worried about DV reads". I've been busy seems forced to me.
Osie at least had me in neutral then forced me into scum by town reading people. IDK that seems forced still, but Shadow seems intent on scum reading me.
IDK though Osie sort of just picked two stupid things to talk about then ignored the rest of what I said. Seems like he was just throwing shade at me.
I'm really wondering were you expecting being high on everyone's T/S list after being most of the D1 MIA, only player below modline and without really any contribution.
But, talk to me about your reads. Who are you town reading and why? (And same for scum reads, por favor).
What do you think about Shinichi?
What are your thoughts about "let's kill two people today" plan?
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I kinda feel nothing wrt shin. Like, nothing. I don’t care if he dies or gets saved.
I’m kind of worried about DV, he’s been far too much in the background for my liking.
/barn
@Shinichi: What do you think about Kami shooting at you?
Considering that you can't protect yourself, what are you going to do with your knife?
Also, could you give me a short reads list with some reasoning.
What are you going to do now that there's only few more hours until you die and only me and DV are capable of doing anything about?
What worries me right now is that the only people besides me holding knifes are Shin and DV both of who I don't trust at all (DV especially).
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Now that you are not actively dying, could you please tell me in detail why you switched from osie to Shinichi in such a quick succession?
In a span of 2½ hours you went from "I'm planning on striking osie" to striking Shinichi. This interests me.
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I was kinda sad since I was expecting a deep analysis about Kami and his interactions and all I got was "no one is opposing him dying", which is an okay argument I guess, but I was expecting more from shadow.
Shadow, if your buddy were under some pressure and everyone else seemed being fine with them dying, would you really go out all the way to save your buddy?
What are your thoughts on Kami expressing his intention to shoot osie, only to switch it to Shinichi at the last moment?
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Were you scum, DV?
Ninja Strike: D_V
I'll shoot if we get down to 1 minute, but I said I'd rather let you do the killing, since I don't trust you enough.
...?
I said I'd be willing to holster since I'm not feeling comfortable shooting while you still have your scalpel remaining.
Or what are you talking about?
Since I'm not actively lurking?
Since I'm trying to interact with people instead of going with the flow?
Since I'm actually interested in game state and trying to make sense of you and osie?
Why is the question reductive?
Thank you for your contribution.
Do you have any thoughts about our impending deadline and still having ways to get second person killed before DL?
@osie, @D_V: Tell me why you are town and should not be on the receiving end of the scalpel?
(NOT why the other should be killed)
Sigh, I guess it's time for me to re-read you, DV and Kami.
Shhh, don't ruin my secret plan of being somewhat townread, killing all the more townier people, making it to final 3, forcing people to my own plan and winning the game as deep wolf
But, in all seriousness: Feel free to take a look at me and my posts and convince others of what you see. And, if you have questions directed to me or at some point you don't understand what I'm after, ask away! I'll gladly answer any and all of your questions.
Okay, let me rephrase my earlier question. How does Shinichi flipping town -> Bur/DoTA being lower on PoE.
I'm not seeing this link between Shinichi flipping town and me/DoTA specifically being lower on your PoE, compared to others like vezok.
I'd like you to explain this to throughoutly, so that even a random drunkard from the street who has never played a game of mafia would understand it.
Like this:
I don't understand where osie is coming from with his town!Shinichi -> more likely scum!Bur or scum!DoTA
I asked osie about it and didn't really get anything out of it, besides some vague answers.
Scum fake reads, town make genuinely reads
If asked about reads, people with genuine reads can elaborate and explain how they got there.
Fake reads are much harder to be elaborated and explained and might contain some discrepancies.
If asked about reads and asked person gives you a good, elaborate explanation with concrete examples -> More likely town.
If asked about reads and asked person gives you a vague answer that doesn't really explain the reads -> More likely scum.
Which leads to: osie is asked about his "town!Shinichi PoE" and doesn't really answer your question properly -> More likely scum.
What are your reads on non-Shinichi people right now and why?
If you could murder someone right now, who'd you kill (and why)?
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On other news, I realised that town has kinda way to force themselves to victory if they ever end up in 3-man LyLo.
It requires town putting their trust on one person not being scum and town not acting out of line.
I'll elaborate: Let's say we have Apple, Banana and Cherry.
Apple is considered be really likely town and scum to be between Banana and Cherry.
Apple doesn't do anything with their scalpel. Banana and Cherry shoot each other, leaving only Apple alive. Town wins if Apple wasn't deed wolf.
If either of them (let's say Banana) acts out of line and shoot Apple, Apple shoots Banana back (and I guess Cherry could stop Banana's scalpel).
This results in Banana (and Apple) dead, leaving only Cherry alive. Assuming that Banana wasn't a town who acted out of line, Banana is the last scum who is now dead. Town wins.
Though, like I said, all of these fail if we have deep wolf/we don't have someone we can trust enough not to be deep wolf/non-Apple town decides to act out of line and shoots Apple.
But, that's just what came to me earlier today during my walk. What are your thoughts?
You don't even interact with me between those posts and I don't think I even posted much there. So, what made you change your mind?
Also, who do you think is mafia if osie flips mafia? How about if osie flips town?
Yes, I'm willing to holster. I don't feel comfortable enough to shoot, leaving only you holding an knife, especially since it can mean town loss if both Shinichi/whoever I'd shoot were town and you were scum.
My top 3 to shoot right now:
Kami
DV
Osie?
I still don't feel good about Kami, and DV still worries me.
Though, I admit that willing to shoot first alleviated my worries a bit, but still.
Anyways, I have a day off tomorrow, so I'll actually be able to take a look at this game then, before DL.
I'm really wondering were you expecting being high on everyone's T/S list after being most of the D1 MIA, only player below modline and without really any contribution.
But, talk to me about your reads. Who are you town reading and why? (And same for scum reads, por favor).
What do you think about Shinichi?
What are your thoughts about "let's kill two people today" plan?
/barn
@Shinichi: What do you think about Kami shooting at you?
Considering that you can't protect yourself, what are you going to do with your knife?
Also, could you give me a short reads list with some reasoning.
What are you going to do now that there's only few more hours until you die and only me and DV are capable of doing anything about?
What worries me right now is that the only people besides me holding knifes are Shin and DV both of who I don't trust at all (DV especially).
Now that you are not actively dying, could you please tell me in detail why you switched from osie to Shinichi in such a quick succession?
In a span of 2½ hours you went from "I'm planning on striking osie" to striking Shinichi. This interests me.
Shadow, if your buddy were under some pressure and everyone else seemed being fine with them dying, would you really go out all the way to save your buddy?
What are your thoughts on Kami expressing his intention to shoot osie, only to switch it to Shinichi at the last moment?