reason I say "interesting" is because I already have a vote on me. wolf will likely jump on my wagon, rather than divert.
I think you're being disingenuous or naive here.
says the person who appears only when someone voted them, and found a wagon to put at L1. you don't even seem convinced that I'm the last wolf, so why do you vote me?
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Pod was literally never a good kill.
Would have been absolutely shocked if it was anyone but bears/kami tbh
Kill analysis still terrible in this game
iirc you said you know how scum can win. but you're not scum now... why would you be shocked and scum follow your plans??
I'm kinda settled on it being Pod or Manti I guess.
ok
puzzle-solving the wagons though
if Pod was town, he was a better kill than Kamikaze
(both wagons will get good suspicion)
that's my only issue with Pod
hmm.. Vote: Pod360
should be interesting
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Spent a considerable amount of time talking about the difficulties they were going to have 2 scum versus 3, and their entire reasoning for voting Rhand was the self-vote. Their vote on me is because I didn't vote Rhand. I don't think they've done any evaluation of play the entire game.
I never liked your response to me in #99 ("You don't need to find two scum today. You only need to find one.").
there is a difference in finding 2 vs 3 scum, and there is also a difference in finding 2 vs 1 scum.
you're looking for a team, not someone who is individually scummy.
I don't have any interaction with Rhand as he was busy by the time I entered, but during the time he was talking he didn't interact with you though he replied others (even Manti).
remember that we are looking for a team. if Rhand flipped town, we would be starting over from scratch by now.
behavior-wise, I got Rhand and Bear teamwork. don't like his starting D2 with suspecting Pod (signs of NKA), then waffling me, but answered me as if Manti is scum!firmed.
out of your recent 'clarifications' you never clarified on this. why did you say I could be town with the way I voted, and talked to me as if Manti was scum?
Looking for explicitly "a team" is bad. You hunt for wolves. Do that well and you naturally get the whole team.
Also can I just point out how scummy "I don't have any interaction with Rhand as he was busy by the time I entered" sounds as you try to say that not interacting with Rhand was scummy. I think Rhand only interacted with Tom once, Manti once, and Pod twice. He didn't interact with Kami, and Kami flipped town so next point.
We would not be starting over today. Pre-association reads are bad. Develop a POE and start lynching the names at the bottom.
I don't understand what you're asking with the last question. I can't find a post where I said you could be town from the way you voted but you're not lock scum for me, just most likely, so of course you could have voted the way you did as town, but I don't see how that's relevant. When did I talk to you as if Manti was scum and what's the relevance? Am I spewing Manti wolf in a game with two wolves and one of them dead?
when you have no starting point, then yes you look for individuals. when you get flips, you look for potential teammates. if you aren't looking for a team, but individual faults, you're obviously not using what you have gained from a flip - it doesn't advance town's wincon.
have I said I didn't want to be in PoE yet? Rhand responded to everyone at some point, except you and me. if you think that's scummy, then you should know my thoughts on you as well.
your #168:
1. "you were the first voter on Rhand's wagon (or rather anyone that voted Rhand before you changed their vote before changing back). That's actually a good point though."
pulling back from calling me 'the last wolf'
2. "Manti might not kill you because he thinks he can dunk on you."
you say it as if Manti is scum.
Spent a considerable amount of time talking about the difficulties they were going to have 2 scum versus 3, and their entire reasoning for voting Rhand was the self-vote. Their vote on me is because I didn't vote Rhand. I don't think they've done any evaluation of play the entire game.
I never liked your response to me in #99 ("You don't need to find two scum today. You only need to find one.").
there is a difference in finding 2 vs 3 scum, and there is also a difference in finding 2 vs 1 scum.
you're looking for a team, not someone who is individually scummy.
I don't have any interaction with Rhand as he was busy by the time I entered, but during the time he was talking he didn't interact with you though he replied others (even Manti).
remember that we are looking for a team. if Rhand flipped town, we would be starting over from scratch by now.
behavior-wise, I got Rhand and Bear teamwork. don't like his starting D2 with suspecting Pod (signs of NKA), then waffling me, but answered me as if Manti is scum!firmed.
out of your recent 'clarifications' you never clarified on this. why did you say I could be town with the way I voted, and talked to me as if Manti was scum?
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Dawn are you gonna look at, like, behavior at some point?
Or just sticking with votes?
behavior-wise, I got Rhand and Bear teamwork. don't like his starting D2 with suspecting Pod (signs of NKA), then waffling me, but answered me as if Manti is scum!firmed.
thanks to Pod for noting a point:
#110 Bear didn't want Rhand hammered
#147 talks about voting Rhand but doesn't do anything (kinda confusing if Manti jumped the vote for the cred or not)
I'm sold on Bear's Rhand vote as appeasement and not real. not sure why Pod was left alive though, maybe Kamikaze was a threat as a more-active-than-Pod player.
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3rd vote logic is actually inverted in this game because it's a -1. He also at that point could have voted me, and instead chose to vote the scum. I mean, Tom, you might be right that they'd be the next two lynches, but I still think you take the two kills n1 and then hope that something changes. What you're saying is a possibility, but I don't think it's likely.
kinda forgot this. Tom was willing to hammer anyone and Manti chose scum. you got a point there.
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I've been trying to understand the motivation for the night kill. The Level 1 approach is Pod because Kamikaze suspected Pod and voted pod at the end of the day. But let's ignore that for now.
only you and Kami were on the counterwagon. this nightkill would detract from you, or implicate you.
I'm kind of thinking that the last wolf is just Dawning. The Kami night kill makes the most sense because it kills one of the two players suspecting him while leaving Manti and myself as somewhat viable mislynches.
why does this nightkill make Manti a viable mislynch? you lost me there.
In a vacuum Manti was lower in the POE than both Kami and myself more than likely, and he was also the third one on the wagon. It would make sense from a scum perspective to leave him alive as a potential mislynch.
And to address the first part of your reply, it makes little sense to make that nightkill from my perspective because it leaves me as the only unconfirmed off of a scum wagon. If I was scum I almost always kill you because of the unconfirmed players, you were the first voter on Rhand's wagon (or rather anyone that voted Rhand before you changed their vote before changing back). That's actually a good point though. Let me see how many votes were on Rhand when you voted him.
Yeah okay. Tom voted Rhand, and then switched off. You were the next voter on him. So you make the most sense as a night kill from almost everyone's perspective. Manti might not kill you because he thinks he can dunk on you.
leaving yourself as the only one alive not on a scum wagon is a good way to victimize yourself via NKA. it makes sense.
I'm probably kept alive to be pocketed, if you say I was the optimal NK choice. why do you say "Manti might not kill you" though? we still haven't figured him out yet.
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I've been trying to understand the motivation for the night kill. The Level 1 approach is Pod because Kamikaze suspected Pod and voted pod at the end of the day. But let's ignore that for now.
only you and Kami were on the counterwagon. this nightkill would detract from you, or implicate you.
I'm kind of thinking that the last wolf is just Dawning. The Kami night kill makes the most sense because it kills one of the two players suspecting him while leaving Manti and myself as somewhat viable mislynches.
why does this nightkill make Manti a viable mislynch? you lost me there.
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with scum flip and counterwagon voter flip, scum should be in Manti(3rd vote) or Bear(counterwagon voter). Pod selfpreserved, not divert, and bussing is a bad strat here - he's probably town.
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Rhand and Pod took the lead. both appeared once. out of them both, Pod's actions are leaning towards selfpreservation.
could be Pod? or Rhand was trying reverse psychology. Bear didn't want Rhand hammered?
noted that Rhand hasn't voted anyone yet.
What conclusions can you draw from he above?
Rhand and Bear probable teamwork. though I don't see problems with Bear yet. sooo.. maybe Pod.
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Rhand and Pod took the lead. both appeared once. out of them both, Pod's actions are leaning towards selfpreservation.
could be Pod? or Rhand was trying reverse psychology. Bear didn't want Rhand hammered?
noted that Rhand hasn't voted anyone yet.
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thought the drunk act was NAI but he looks able to reason, like the claim range. actively defends himself there.
I'm not good at finding 2 scum so... was in a live mafia where my strat was to selfvote or act like lynching myself was ok, to throw off town - it was effective. Rhand could be trying that.
You don't need to find two scum today. You only need to find one. That being said, I'm in a similar place to regarding Rhand.
it's hard to start with 1 if you aren't familiar with anyone enough to tell their individual scumtells or towntells.
*forgot to add that the mafia game I mentioned was a 5-2 setup.
it looks like Pod/Rhand are the top trains. not sure what to make of it. both are scum?
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kinda wish we mislynched D1 to play with higher stakes. for the IC to out scum with his presence is OP.
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reason I say "interesting" is because I already have a vote on me. wolf will likely jump on my wagon, rather than divert.
personally find it hard to believe Manti is wolf, especially with the way he said town shouldn't claim if lynched + didn't vote me back.
Bear I'm not sure about, but it's the misunderstanding I suppose.
Pod joined my wagon since it already had Bear's vote. more reasons in 1st paragraph.
I'm convinced it's Pod.
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I'm kinda settled on it being Pod or Manti I guess.
though less on Manti because:he didn't vote me or claim anything when I voted him. it matches up with that .-.
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puzzle-solving the wagons though
if Pod was town, he was a better kill than Kamikaze
(both wagons will get good suspicion)
that's my only issue with Pod
hmm..
Vote: Pod360
should be interesting
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when you have no starting point, then yes you look for individuals. when you get flips, you look for potential teammates. if you aren't looking for a team, but individual faults, you're obviously not using what you have gained from a flip - it doesn't advance town's wincon.
have I said I didn't want to be in PoE yet? Rhand responded to everyone at some point, except you and me. if you think that's scummy, then you should know my thoughts on you as well.
your #168:
1. "you were the first voter on Rhand's wagon (or rather anyone that voted Rhand before you changed their vote before changing back). That's actually a good point though."
pulling back from calling me 'the last wolf'
2. "Manti might not kill you because he thinks he can dunk on you."
you say it as if Manti is scum.
lurking at this stage isn't a scumtell, since a lone wolf would need to appear town even more than usual if they want to win.
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there is a difference in finding 2 vs 3 scum, and there is also a difference in finding 2 vs 1 scum.
you're looking for a team, not someone who is individually scummy.
I don't have any interaction with Rhand as he was busy by the time I entered, but during the time he was talking he didn't interact with you though he replied others (even Manti).
remember that we are looking for a team. if Rhand flipped town, we would be starting over from scratch by now.
out of your recent 'clarifications' you never clarified on this. why did you say I could be town with the way I voted, and talked to me as if Manti was scum?
Be grateful, always."
thanks to Pod for noting a point:
#110 Bear didn't want Rhand hammered
#147 talks about voting Rhand but doesn't do anything (kinda confusing if Manti jumped the vote for the cred or not)
I'm sold on Bear's Rhand vote as appeasement and not real. not sure why Pod was left alive though, maybe Kamikaze was a threat as a more-active-than-Pod player.
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kinda forgot this. Tom was willing to hammer anyone and Manti chose scum. you got a point there.
Vote: bearsquared
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I'm probably kept alive to be pocketed, if you say I was the optimal NK choice. why do you say "Manti might not kill you" though? we still haven't figured him out yet.
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why does this nightkill make Manti a viable mislynch? you lost me there.
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Vote: Chromanticore
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could be Pod? or Rhand was trying reverse psychology. Bear didn't want Rhand hammered?
noted that Rhand hasn't voted anyone yet.
Be grateful, always."
*forgot to add that the mafia game I mentioned was a 5-2 setup.
it looks like Pod/Rhand are the top trains. not sure what to make of it. both are scum?
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