Just wanted to offer a short postmortem of this game. Meant to do it earlier but been busy with school and stuff.
I replaced in because I saw that some people from MyAnimeList (a site I play on) were playing in this game and Cantrip's a cool guy - I've enjoyed playing in his games before, and replacing in at the end of Day 1 wasn't the worst idea because I could use the night to catch up. Plus, I was fresh off of a commanding win at the Mafia Universe Champs series and wanted to show my skill on a good old MTGS game. I had time too because it was the summer.
Then I replace in for kpaca and get the nice scum rand that I was NOT hoping for. I was hoping for a town role PM but people haven't seen my scum game in a while, and I feel like I understand the basics of mafia well enough to get by townread as scum. In addition, I know that I could make a strong start given that I was pretty excited for the game and was prepared to fight people with WALLS. Even though that people should have taken into account kpaca's blatantly scummy behavior while reading me, townies play scummy/inactive all the time and then get replaced by townies that KNOW how to play town. Plus, I was pretty upfront about engaging with other people over why they thought I was scum, and when you directly engage/interact with another player you find it difficult to accuse them of being scum. So that was basically my plan: To try and emulate my play from the Champs series as much as possible, try to do real time interactions with other players in order to get myself townread, and then playing to my mafia win condition along the way.
How did it go? Days 2 and 3 I virtually went unsuspected I think, aside from EL suspecting me based off of association with Wheat. With Wheat, I was going to defend him because he had a lot of townie signs in his posts, but for game health I convinced myself to lynch him to save Cantrip from finding a replacement. I made a lot of plays for game health reasons - killing Rhand N1 because he was on a cruise, lynching Wheat, killing EL after he requested replacement, in order to keep the game moving and to not have modkills/additional replacements.
I felt really bad about lynching Shinichi because if I'm town there I defend him 90% of the time and seal him off as a mislynch to scum. I also enjoyed playing with Vaimes and getting my revenge on him for Three Little Pigs Mafia where he pocketed me until he got lynched. I also enjoyed playing with RE, who I think I've played with her like 5+ times and have been scum against her being town in all of them. (We'll be town together someday, or you'll be pocketing me).
Grapefruit was definitely the town MVP and I was surprised at how "easier" the game got when we killed him. He came the closest out of everyone to solving it I think. shadow and QH were great scumbuddies as well; really enjoyed wolfing with them.
LnGrrrR I also thought played a fantastic game after replacing in; I thought he was going to be a very easy mislynch because of AGod but he was very genuinely townie after he replaced in and he made it extremely difficult to push on him, because so many of his posts felt so REAL. JT also came really close to catching me on Day 4; that was the Day I was sweating bullets to be honest because I tipped my hand a little too far regarding the bus. JT had good pressure throughout that day.
Sorry this had to come a month late but late is better than no postmortem at all.
@Proph, that's what had me so weirded out about RE, her tying Terry and you tigether felt so... made up lol. Also, note to self: Prophscum asks a lot of questions. That's what I scum read you for when I first came in the game, should've stuck to it.
I mean, I ask a lot of questions as town too. As town I care more about the game, though.
I dropped a pretty big hint when I linked my Champs wild card game in the thread. If people actually cross-checked my play over there compared to here I poured SO MUCH MORE into that game as opposed to this one.
So I am guessing Rhand prevented the mass role cop while still alive. This is why I was trying to get people to look at how I used my ability instead of just saying it was scummy lol.
Thanks for the kind words Proph and Shadow. I think if we had lynched Shadow first, Terry would have been killed and I would've sided with you against RE and lost anyways.
Good job guys
It was hard trying to pick between you guys because both of you were so darn townie; that's why I vacillated up until the end. Also people can really re-evaluate in f3 and I did not want that
Yeah, I was really surprised that the final Day went so smoothly. I was seriously afraid of being lynched Yesterday since GF/Terry were suspecting me hardcore and this Day was like "um, everyone is townreading me I guess?"
And yeah, LnG - if you read my posts in lylo then I should have been setting myself up to lynch shadow because he was the 100% guaranteed lock due to behavior and interactions, while you and RE were more of a toss-up. But I just kept stalling and avoiding to reach a conclusion because I didn't want momentum to switch towards my scumbuddy, because it's easier to win a f5 than to win a f3.
Man, I feel really bad about replacing in as a scum slot there.
If I replace in as town Shinichi never gets mislynched there and I just destroy QH/kpaca's slot. I'll explain more about my play once Cantrip posts but whew. I'm very happy to be wrapping up this game. Playing scum sucks
Eh, I was coming around to voting Shadow, but RE, you just had some crazy logic to me. And at the end it felt like you were just waiting out toDay. Sorry for the fight
Proph, good job fughting against RE. You did ask a lot of the same questions I did.
I should've convinced town to lynch Shadow first dang it.
GG guys. At least I did my best, I think, to help save this slot from an autolynch.
Yeah, you did an excellent job saving this slot from a mislynch! I thought AG would be crazily easy pushable because he had so many bad interactions with flipped townies, but you replaced in and basically saved your slot. You did a very good job!
I'm in class right now so I'll put up a post summarizing all of my thoughts (I'm thinking PRO/CON list) in a couple of hours.
Also RE, I think Terry was referring to the situation when he thinks that in 2/3 scenarios he thinks that you are scum but I don't understand that post out of context.
I meant more like, what were your thoughts on RE's more recent posts. Also you said that you were going to look at QH's interactions with RE - did anything come out of that?
So deadline is in like, in 17 hours or so if I'm not mistaken?
I'll be around all day tomorrow to hash it out with you guys. I need to find ONE town out of LnG/RE/shadow. If Terry is scum then gg to him; I'd be very surprised if he was tbh. If he is then congrats to QH for laying down the best anti spew possible.
I replaced in because I saw that some people from MyAnimeList (a site I play on) were playing in this game and Cantrip's a cool guy - I've enjoyed playing in his games before, and replacing in at the end of Day 1 wasn't the worst idea because I could use the night to catch up. Plus, I was fresh off of a commanding win at the Mafia Universe Champs series and wanted to show my skill on a good old MTGS game. I had time too because it was the summer.
Then I replace in for kpaca and get the nice scum rand that I was NOT hoping for. I was hoping for a town role PM but people haven't seen my scum game in a while, and I feel like I understand the basics of mafia well enough to get by townread as scum. In addition, I know that I could make a strong start given that I was pretty excited for the game and was prepared to fight people with WALLS. Even though that people should have taken into account kpaca's blatantly scummy behavior while reading me, townies play scummy/inactive all the time and then get replaced by townies that KNOW how to play town. Plus, I was pretty upfront about engaging with other people over why they thought I was scum, and when you directly engage/interact with another player you find it difficult to accuse them of being scum. So that was basically my plan: To try and emulate my play from the Champs series as much as possible, try to do real time interactions with other players in order to get myself townread, and then playing to my mafia win condition along the way.
How did it go? Days 2 and 3 I virtually went unsuspected I think, aside from EL suspecting me based off of association with Wheat. With Wheat, I was going to defend him because he had a lot of townie signs in his posts, but for game health I convinced myself to lynch him to save Cantrip from finding a replacement. I made a lot of plays for game health reasons - killing Rhand N1 because he was on a cruise, lynching Wheat, killing EL after he requested replacement, in order to keep the game moving and to not have modkills/additional replacements.
I felt really bad about lynching Shinichi because if I'm town there I defend him 90% of the time and seal him off as a mislynch to scum. I also enjoyed playing with Vaimes and getting my revenge on him for Three Little Pigs Mafia where he pocketed me until he got lynched. I also enjoyed playing with RE, who I think I've played with her like 5+ times and have been scum against her being town in all of them. (We'll be town together someday, or you'll be pocketing me).
Grapefruit was definitely the town MVP and I was surprised at how "easier" the game got when we killed him. He came the closest out of everyone to solving it I think. shadow and QH were great scumbuddies as well; really enjoyed wolfing with them.
LnGrrrR I also thought played a fantastic game after replacing in; I thought he was going to be a very easy mislynch because of AGod but he was very genuinely townie after he replaced in and he made it extremely difficult to push on him, because so many of his posts felt so REAL. JT also came really close to catching me on Day 4; that was the Day I was sweating bullets to be honest because I tipped my hand a little too far regarding the bus. JT had good pressure throughout that day.
Sorry this had to come a month late but late is better than no postmortem at all.
I'll offer my thoughts on this game sometime today or tomorrow.
I dropped a pretty big hint when I linked my Champs wild card game in the thread. If people actually cross-checked my play over there compared to here I poured SO MUCH MORE into that game as opposed to this one.
If I replace in as town Shinichi never gets mislynched there and I just destroy QH/kpaca's slot. I'll explain more about my play once Cantrip posts but whew. I'm very happy to be wrapping up this game. Playing scum sucks
Yeah, you did an excellent job saving this slot from a mislynch! I thought AG would be crazily easy pushable because he had so many bad interactions with flipped townies, but you replaced in and basically saved your slot. You did a very good job!
I want a chance to post my PRO/CON list before I vote once I'm out of class.
I'm in class right now so I'll put up a post summarizing all of my thoughts (I'm thinking PRO/CON list) in a couple of hours.
Also RE, I think Terry was referring to the situation when he thinks that in 2/3 scenarios he thinks that you are scum but I don't understand that post out of context.
Let's figure it out tomorrow.
What are your thoughts on shadow?
I'll be around all day tomorrow to hash it out with you guys. I need to find ONE town out of LnG/RE/shadow. If Terry is scum then gg to him; I'd be very surprised if he was tbh. If he is then congrats to QH for laying down the best anti spew possible.