I use Purphuros, still seems super good for me, I want multiple redundancies. I kind of prefer to play Zirilan when I have 8 mana, not 5. I mean part of me wanting the sneak attack effects if because I don't own a scroll rack.
Deflecting Swat seems like a really good red card in commander particularly when our commanders are so important.
My problem with WGD was if I drew it was terrible and if I use it is dangerous because it can get spot removed, but I had a bunch of sweet plays with it, including blanking Cyclonic Rift and Killing tables with Valaut, the molten pinnacle.
I think I might keep a couple of recursion pieces because they have multiple uses but I definitely consider cutting back on it. In a way having to think carefully about whether to balefire dragon because you only get one shot at it is super interesting as a play concept.
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to red is less than five Purphuros isn't a creature
Other creatures you control have haste 2R: You may put a red or artifact creature from your hand onto the battlefield from your hand. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step
5 mana is awkward but more redundancy is always welcome. With this and sneak attack, I think I might need to put Sarkhan's triumph back into my deck.
Sweet, there are plenty of times where I just want to pick off a commander or three thats good enough for me, I like having less all in options, I can burn this dragon without leaving myself without a wrath just to kill some key targets.
The treasure dragon is also not bad, a dragon that ramps
I actually have sarkhan, the dragonspeaker (he was also my desktop background for a year) and he is basically a spit flame, I really do like spit flame if I am going to use spot removal its good. Well if people are attacking my walkers they aren't attack me and that's more time for me to set up.
The new one is kind of like worn powerstone you can only use for dragons and I was using Darretti at some point for that looting ability. If I open one I'll try it but I don't think I am going to preorder him or anything.
Too many better dragons than demanding dragon but I think if you are just going to exile your dragons and not try to recur or perm them maybe you'll consider it.. but I just feel like basically everyone has some disposable creature lying around in commander.
I'll be finding room for her.
She doesn't do the killing your opponent job as well as other other dragons but she makes a board impact and pumps dragons and is a 6/6.
If you for example follow her with Scourge of Valkas you hit for 6. (utrava hellkite is better but you need some amount of redundancy)
hmm I just realised I never used glorybringer in my deck now I took them out of my standard deck... sometimes you need to kill a flying blocker.
Eh I don't really like 3 mana manarocks other than the one that gives 2 mana but etbs tapped. Remembering card names is hard :(. Because I really need that 2 -4 jump just to get going, I then use my Journeyer's kite effects to keep hitting land drops. Mass artifact destruction is really common but mass land destruction is soft banned in the groups I play with.
The deck is quite the glass cannon, you typically get one chance and you have to try to kill or incapacitate everyone then everyone knows what you are capable of....
I am playing Thaumatic Compass, I already played Journeyer's kite. The seven land restriction sucks and I really don't want to give my opponetns a maze of ith (via vesuva) when it flips.. but since I don't own the broken mana ramp just getting lands in the early game is really useful for getting off the ground, I cut my beloved durdle post.. durdle in durdle out.
Endless Sands seems playable. Obviously not as good High market but effects on lands are almost free.
Typically against hate I just have to wait for someone else to deal with it, it is almost certainly hating someone else out as well. Alternatively, just start casting dragons. Which is an advantage of more mass dragon versions of the deck.
I agree not being seen as a threat is definitely an advantage, I have actually won a lot of games where I got mana screwed and people forgot about me... until I just pull out huge amounts of damage out of nowhere. Players will learn that Zirilian the card is a threat but forget you can just start casting dragons.
So I am in favour of having a little less focus on your engine and just have a bunch of castable dragons and enough dragon buffs and other damage sources as a plan B. Only for metas that are a little slower and more grindy though, the stronger the meta the harder you will have to focus on pulling off Plan A.
I have used REB and pyroblast in the past but they were just the first cards on the chopping block for not always being relevent. I am very careful when I use this deck. I only take it out if there is plenty of control/answers in the pod. The truth is mono red really can't control it is at its best doing its own fairly agressive thing. Obviously this is in person when I know what decks I am up against rather than say online. They are nice in your flex slots but I have artifact destruction in that slot rather than blue hate.
Updates from your recommendations basically just from raiding my collection.
Getting off the ground with mana and getting dragons into my hand seems like an issue but it just seems like way-way too much money to fix it right now. *edit* After goldfishing it seems I just need to mulligan hard because the number of cards in hand doesn't matter much.
Whille i don't play worldgorger dragon any more (having it in hand was soooo bad) I have killed a table by using it in response to cyclonic rift whille valakut was in play. Other than that is is just nice on going removal and damage with barely any effort.
Spine is tutorable with hoarding dragon and recurable with a bunch of cards in my list above (but I removed most of them in the updating I am doing now :/). I have used it to win the game against Glacial Chasm.
My deck seems to be a bit of hybrid of keeping the dragons and recycling the dragons. I am focusing ETB effects and dragons with activated abilities that I can use a mana sinks for my powerful ramp. The game plan is double my mana then double my damage then double my attack steps. Hopefully I have highted a few cards you missed, in particular flameshadow conjurering. My meta is semi-casual with a differing power levels of decks, but people aren't funnelling in huge amounts of money into thier decks. Also mass land destruction is frowned upon, if you do it, expect to get targeted the next game.
There is plenty of dragons (and ramp pieces) that either too expensive or I have never found available for trade, just buying an EDH deck is missing half the fun of building one...
Okay I had more time when I wasn't in a hurry to lend my opinions. Lightning skrieker is a lava axe.. I mostly use it to kill planeswalkers or just to get when I have nothing set up and no reason to do anything specific just want to knock down some life totals. if they kill it they literially used removal on the worst creature in my deck.
I didn't originally have thunderbreak regent and scourge of valkas. Your resoning, you'll never have many dragons on board (also true for moonviel dragon) so they don't do anything, is the same reason I didn't have them in (they were just sitting in my rare folder). The issue is what happens if you don't ramp off, or your general gets removed too many times, they are just good castable dragons. Also I do a lot of removal that involves pinging a creature for 1 then hitting them for five with Brogdan hellkite. The little one damage pings really do matter. it is very similar for Dragon tempest just constantly pinging like that really adds up over the lenght of the game. Also giving hatse to scourge of the throne from hand is so brutal.
I am going to reconsider whether I want to return changling bezerker and crucible of fire to the deck. Bezerker just never seemed to save anything zirilan always dying when I was tapped out, I was just being too agressive to use it. I decided flameshadow conjuring was just so much better than crucible.. but crucible is the rare I own the most copies of perhaps I can find a space.
As for new spoiler season...Molten Echoes is another Flameshadow conjuring.
Deflecting Swat seems like a really good red card in commander particularly when our commanders are so important.
My problem with WGD was if I drew it was terrible and if I use it is dangerous because it can get spot removed, but I had a bunch of sweet plays with it, including blanking Cyclonic Rift and Killing tables with Valaut, the molten pinnacle.
I think I might keep a couple of recursion pieces because they have multiple uses but I definitely consider cutting back on it. In a way having to think carefully about whether to balefire dragon because you only get one shot at it is super interesting as a play concept.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
Purphuros, Bronze-Blooded 4R
Legendary enchantment creature - god
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to red is less than five Purphuros isn't a creature
Other creatures you control have haste
2R: You may put a red or artifact creature from your hand onto the battlefield from your hand. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step
5 mana is awkward but more redundancy is always welcome. With this and sneak attack, I think I might need to put Sarkhan's triumph back into my deck.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
Terror of Mount Velus
5/5 flying double striker
EtB all creatures get double strike.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
The treasure dragon is also not bad, a dragon that ramps
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
The new one is kind of like worn powerstone you can only use for dragons and I was using Darretti at some point for that looting ability. If I open one I'll try it but I don't think I am going to preorder him or anything.
Too many better dragons than demanding dragon but I think if you are just going to exile your dragons and not try to recur or perm them maybe you'll consider it.. but I just feel like basically everyone has some disposable creature lying around in commander.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
She doesn't do the killing your opponent job as well as other other dragons but she makes a board impact and pumps dragons and is a 6/6.
If you for example follow her with Scourge of Valkas you hit for 6. (utrava hellkite is better but you need some amount of redundancy)
hmm I just realised I never used glorybringer in my deck now I took them out of my standard deck... sometimes you need to kill a flying blocker.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
Eh I don't really like 3 mana manarocks other than the one that gives 2 mana but etbs tapped. Remembering card names is hard :(. Because I really need that 2 -4 jump just to get going, I then use my Journeyer's kite effects to keep hitting land drops. Mass artifact destruction is really common but mass land destruction is soft banned in the groups I play with.
The deck is quite the glass cannon, you typically get one chance and you have to try to kill or incapacitate everyone then everyone knows what you are capable of....
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
Typically against hate I just have to wait for someone else to deal with it, it is almost certainly hating someone else out as well. Alternatively, just start casting dragons. Which is an advantage of more mass dragon versions of the deck.
I agree not being seen as a threat is definitely an advantage, I have actually won a lot of games where I got mana screwed and people forgot about me... until I just pull out huge amounts of damage out of nowhere. Players will learn that Zirilian the card is a threat but forget you can just start casting dragons.
So I am in favour of having a little less focus on your engine and just have a bunch of castable dragons and enough dragon buffs and other damage sources as a plan B. Only for metas that are a little slower and more grindy though, the stronger the meta the harder you will have to focus on pulling off Plan A.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
Updates from your recommendations basically just from raiding my collection.
Getting off the ground with mana and getting dragons into my hand seems like an issue but it just seems like way-way too much money to fix it right now. *edit* After goldfishing it seems I just need to mulligan hard because the number of cards in hand doesn't matter much.
3 Feldon of the third Path
4 Solemn simulacrum
4 Junktroller
4 Changeling berserker
5 Hoarding dragon
5 Lightning shrieker
5 Scourge of Valkas
6 Ryusei, The falling star
6 Steel hellkite
6 Hoard-smelter dragon
6 Scourge of the throne
6 Hellkite tyrant
6 Hellkite Charger
7 Spawn of thraxes
7 Tyrant's familiar
7 Knollspine dragon
7 Bogardan hellkite
7 Balefire dragon
8 Scourge of Kher Ridges
8 Utvara hellkite
10 Dragon Tyrant
Enchantment
2 Braid of fire
2 Dragon tempest
3 hammer of purphoros
4 Crucible of fire
4 Flameshadow conjuring
4 Furnance of Rath
5 Dictate of the twin gods
0 Everflowing chalice
1 Skulclamp
1 Tal-jilad Stylus
1 Wayfarer's bauble
1 Sol ring
2 Lightning greaves
2 Mind stone
2 Fire diamond
2 Thornbite staff
2 Journeyer's kite
2 Ruby medallion
2 Reito lantern
2 Spawning pit
2 Altar of dementia
2 Prismatic lens
3 Ashnod's altar
3 Thousand-Year Elixir
3 Extraplanar Lens
3 Worn powerstone
3 Mimic Vat
4 Trading post
5 Conjurer's Closet
5 Gauntlet of power
6 Caged sun
4 Koth of the hammer
5 Sarkhan, the dragonspeaker
8 Ugin, the spirit dragon
Instants
3 Sarkhan's triumph
3 Chaos warp
Sorceries
1 Vandalblast
8 All is Dust
9 Blasphemous act
Lands
1 Temple of the false god
2 Myriad landscape
3 Crucible of the Spirit Dragon
4 Haven of the Spirit dragon
5 Cavern of souls
6 High market
7 Ghost quarter
8 Kher keep
9 Sea Gate Wreckage
10 Hanweir battlements
11 Flamekin village
12 Valakut, the molten pinnacle
13 Spinerock knoll
39 Mountain
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
-thunderbreak regent + changeling bezereker.
- vedalken orrery + Junktroller I was just using it to give haste... but I have hanwier garrason now.
There is plenty of cards just don't have but I have these lying around.
I really really need a scroll rack... :/.
Oh the tags make it much easier to find things... like flameshadow conjurering.
I take it you don't rate them because I can't seem mention of Valakut, the molten pinnicale and Spine of Ish sha. These cards have won me games.
Whille i don't play worldgorger dragon any more (having it in hand was soooo bad) I have killed a table by using it in response to cyclonic rift whille valakut was in play. Other than that is is just nice on going removal and damage with barely any effort.
Spine is tutorable with hoarding dragon and recurable with a bunch of cards in my list above (but I removed most of them in the updating I am doing now :/). I have used it to win the game against Glacial Chasm.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
I'll add my list to the comprehendium.
3 Feldon of the third Path
4 Solemn simulacrum
4 Thunderbreak regent
5 Hoarding dragon
5 Lightning shrieker
5 Scourge of Valkas
5 Stormbreath dragon
6 Ryusei, The falling star
6 Steel hellkite
6 Hoard-smelter dragon
6 Flameblast dragon
6 Scourge of the throne
6 Hellkite tyrant
6 Hellkite Charger
7 Spawn of thraxes
7 Tyrant's familiar
7 Knollspine dragon
7 Bogardan hellkite
7 Balefire dragon
8 Scourge of Kher Ridges
8 Utvara hellkite
10 Dragon Tyrant
Enchantment
2 Braid of fire
2 Dragon tempest
3 hammer of purphoros
4 Flameshadow conjuring
4 Furnance of Rath
5 Dictate of the twin gods
0 Everflowing chalice
1 Skulclamp
1 Tal-jilad Stylus
1 Wayfarer's bauble
1 Sol ring
1 Expedition map
2 Lightning greaves
2 Mind stone
2 Fire diamond
2 Thornbite staff
2 Journeyer's kite
2 Swiftfoot boots
2 Ruby medallion
2 Reito lantern
3 Ashnod's altar
3 Thousand-Year Elixir
3 Extraplanar Lens
3 Duridic satchel
4 Vedalken Orrery
4 Trading post
5 Conjurer's Closet
5 Gauntlet of power
6 Caged sun
7 Spine of Ish Sah
Planeswalkers
4 Koth of the hammer
4 Daretti, Scarp Savant
5 Sarkhan, the dragonspeaker
8 Ugin, the spirit dragon
2 Shattering pulse
3 Sarkhan's triumph
3 Chaos warp
Sorceries
1 Vandalblast
9 Blasphemous act
Lands
1 Temple of the false god
2 Terrian generator
3 Myriad landscape
4 Crucible of the Spirit Dragon
5 Haven of the Spirit dragon
6 Phyrexia's core
7 High market
8 Ghost quarter
9 Kher keep
10 Hanweir battlements
11 Flamekin village
12 Smoldering crater
13 Forgotten cave
14 Great furance
15 Valakut, the molten pinnacle
16 Spinerock knoll
38 Mountain
My deck seems to be a bit of hybrid of keeping the dragons and recycling the dragons. I am focusing ETB effects and dragons with activated abilities that I can use a mana sinks for my powerful ramp. The game plan is double my mana then double my damage then double my attack steps. Hopefully I have highted a few cards you missed, in particular flameshadow conjurering. My meta is semi-casual with a differing power levels of decks, but people aren't funnelling in huge amounts of money into thier decks. Also mass land destruction is frowned upon, if you do it, expect to get targeted the next game.
+ glorybringer - stormbreath dragon but I am using them in my standard deck.
There is plenty of dragons (and ramp pieces) that either too expensive or I have never found available for trade, just buying an EDH deck is missing half the fun of building one...
Okay I had more time when I wasn't in a hurry to lend my opinions.
Lightning skrieker is a lava axe.. I mostly use it to kill planeswalkers or just to get when I have nothing set up and no reason to do anything specific just want to knock down some life totals. if they kill it they literially used removal on the worst creature in my deck.
I didn't originally have thunderbreak regent and scourge of valkas. Your resoning, you'll never have many dragons on board (also true for moonviel dragon) so they don't do anything, is the same reason I didn't have them in (they were just sitting in my rare folder). The issue is what happens if you don't ramp off, or your general gets removed too many times, they are just good castable dragons. Also I do a lot of removal that involves pinging a creature for 1 then hitting them for five with Brogdan hellkite. The little one damage pings really do matter. it is very similar for Dragon tempest just constantly pinging like that really adds up over the lenght of the game. Also giving hatse to scourge of the throne from hand is so brutal.
I am going to reconsider whether I want to return changling bezerker and crucible of fire to the deck. Bezerker just never seemed to save anything zirilan always dying when I was tapped out, I was just being too agressive to use it. I decided flameshadow conjuring was just so much better than crucible.. but crucible is the rare I own the most copies of perhaps I can find a space.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own