Reid posted a list on channel fireball that runs no Bobs, 2 Seasoned Pyromancers, and 4 Bloodbraid Elves.
That rascal!
No Bob Multi Wrenn builds are actually the latest trend in Modern Jund builds, both online and in paper. As much as Wrenn and Six has tended to disappoint me in my testing of her in Jund, Bob matches up poorly against her, Lava Dart, and Gut Shot.
I’m working on a build that has 2 Wrenn and 4 Bobs. We have discard to protect Bob, and Goyf matches up poorly against Fatal Push. I’ve always found that “x dies to removal” is a bad argument, and Bob can help us gain card advantage and find our sideboard cards in games 2 and 3.
Also, Wrenn is a woman?
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Tymna and Ravos WB
Do you guys have any thoughts about Hexdrinker in Jund ?
Hexdrinker appears to be performing well in Jund, but I’m not sure if it’s better than Nimble Mongoose. I just have to do more play testing in general. I think I definitely have to add Collector Ouphe to my sideboard with affinity, Tron, and Grixis Urza running around.
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Tymna and Ravos WB
I'm hoping to achieve some land destruction with AT, GQ, Wrenn and Six, and Pillage in certain matchups. Sometimes I have to mulligan because of the mana base but with the new mulligan rule it hasn't been too bad in play testing.
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I’m surprised there’s no posts in this thread about cabal therapist. What do we think of him? We could run him with kitchen finks, or would he be better in Junk with lingering souls? Warning issued for trolling. --CWP
So trying to figure out what's the SB I want for SCG Dallas. I know burn/UW/dredge will be very big this weekend. I believe I'm looking at something like this. I will be running prolly 2-3 trophy MB and dropping my abrupt decay/terminate for sure. I kinda wanna use my flex slot for the third trophy? Though I'm not sure yet. I also have been playing 25 lands since I first picked up Jund at the start of summer. I had a great showing in the the modern classic last time in Dallas making top 8. I hope to have a finish like that again but this time in the main event.
1x EE
2x Collective Brutality
2x Ancient Grudge
1x Huntmaster of the Fells
1x Kitchen Finks
2x Anger of the gods
2x Nihil Spellbomb
1x Tireless Tracker
2x Fulminator Mage
1x Damping Sphere
If you expect a lot of dredge, I’d run at least 1 Kalitas, traitor of ghet. I like him more than Huntmaster.
I also think 3 trophies is the right number.
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I'm really liking Trophy as a 4 of. It's not good in every matchup, but it's good in most of them due to the versatility. I do agree that you probably want some sort of sideboard plan to occasionally take it out though.
You could say the same thing about K command, but we don’t run it as a 4 of because it can be bad early, just like Trophy.
Kolaghan's Command is also a 3 drop, which is a more important slot to streamline. One of the issues with Kolaghan's is that in order to increase the count by much, you make the deck much clunkier unless you drop something like Liliana's. It's much easier to include 2 drops.
Trophy may only be a 2 drop, but it gives the opponent a free untapped land to use. The point is playing Assassin’s Trophy on turn 2 can be “clunky” also. With Bob, Grim Flayer, and BBE we shouldn’t have to play 4 Trophies to see it every game.
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I'm really liking Trophy as a 4 of. It's not good in every matchup, but it's good in most of them due to the versatility. I do agree that you probably want some sort of sideboard plan to occasionally take it out though.
You could say the same thing about K command, but we don’t run it as a 4 of because it can be bad early, just like Trophy.
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Fatal Push is probably the best MB card, but the other 2 are better with cascade. Collective brutality is the most versatile, but can underwhelm in some matchups. Kitchen finks is always good, but also cost the most amount of mana.
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I definitely wouldn’t play LtLH against Tron for games 2 and 3. She’s good against control because after a board wipe she’s still around, and generates value every turn. Against Hollow One she can be good with scooze/Kalitas as her +1 can lead to exiling creatures. Against burn she’s slow and can’t remove any of their creatures. Against DS I’ve found she’s lacking unless they splash white for souls.
The other thing to keep in mind is it depends on your 75 and what card she’s competing with for the matchup. Against control she’s better than bolt, but worse than BBE. Against burn she’s better than thoughtseize or Bob, but worse than kitchen finks.
I also like to make sure that I don’t have too many 3 drops after sideboarding, because if you have a hand of 2 lands and Kitchen Finks, LtLH, Fulminator Mage, LotV, and Khologhan’s Command, that hand is terrible.
Even having 2 or 3 3 drops in your hand can be awkward, especially if you don’t have a 2 drop or a 1 drop.
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@all
I test 1 liliana the last hope maindeck and 1 side board and she not impressed me a lot.
Do you have the both post sb against death shadow ? UW ? Jeskai ? Hollow One ? Burn ? Tron ?
LtLH really shines against decks that run x/1s: Junk with Bob and lingering souls, Mardu Pyromancer with young pyromancer, his tokens, and souls, affinity, elves, spirits, humans.
If your meta doesn’t have these decks you can cut her for other cards.
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I expect a lot of burn, humans, UW control, and Jund decks, where kitchen finks shines. I could cut the 3rd ravine for a treetop but with AT coming out I wanted to run a lot of basics.
EDIT: would 2 collective brutality be better than 2 kitchen finks MB? A turn 2 collective brutality is a lot better than a turn 2 Assassin’s Trophy.
I’ve decided to run Jund because BBE is great with, and against, AT. However, I am worried about decks running lingering souls in response to AT, and with AT I’ve determined I don’t need Golgari Charm in my sideboard since AT can hit enchantments. What’s our best sideboard card for lingering souls? I already want to run 1 LTLH MB.
I’m working on a build that has 2 Wrenn and 4 Bobs. We have discard to protect Bob, and Goyf matches up poorly against Fatal Push. I’ve always found that “x dies to removal” is a bad argument, and Bob can help us gain card advantage and find our sideboard cards in games 2 and 3.
Also, Wrenn is a woman?
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RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
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Delver U
Elves G
Control B
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Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Hexdrinker appears to be performing well in Jund, but I’m not sure if it’s better than Nimble Mongoose. I just have to do more play testing in general. I think I definitely have to add Collector Ouphe to my sideboard with affinity, Tron, and Grixis Urza running around.
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RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
4 inquisition of kozilek
2 thoughtseize
4 lightning bolt
2 fatal push
3 assassin's trophy
2 wrenn and six
4 Liliana of the veil
Creatures 14
4 dark confidant
4 tarmogoyf
2 scavenging ooze
4 bloodbraid elf
4 blackcleave cliffs
4 verdant catacombs
4 bloodstained mire
2 overgrown tomb
1 blood crypt
1 stomping ground
2 swamp
1 forest
1 mountain
3 raging ravine
2 ghost quarter
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Collective Brutality
2 Plague Engineer
2 Pillage
2 Kitchen Finks
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 Shatter Assumptions
I'm hoping to achieve some land destruction with AT, GQ, Wrenn and Six, and Pillage in certain matchups. Sometimes I have to mulligan because of the mana base but with the new mulligan rule it hasn't been too bad in play testing.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Warning issued for trolling. --CWP
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Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
If you expect a lot of dredge, I’d run at least 1 Kalitas, traitor of ghet. I like him more than Huntmaster.
I also think 3 trophies is the right number.
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Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Trophy may only be a 2 drop, but it gives the opponent a free untapped land to use. The point is playing Assassin’s Trophy on turn 2 can be “clunky” also. With Bob, Grim Flayer, and BBE we shouldn’t have to play 4 Trophies to see it every game.
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Elves G
Control B
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Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
You could say the same thing about K command, but we don’t run it as a 4 of because it can be bad early, just like Trophy.
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Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Also, out of these cards, which one is the best to run as a 2 of MB?
Fatal Push is probably the best MB card, but the other 2 are better with cascade. Collective brutality is the most versatile, but can underwhelm in some matchups. Kitchen finks is always good, but also cost the most amount of mana.
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Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
The other thing to keep in mind is it depends on your 75 and what card she’s competing with for the matchup. Against control she’s better than bolt, but worse than BBE. Against burn she’s better than thoughtseize or Bob, but worse than kitchen finks.
I also like to make sure that I don’t have too many 3 drops after sideboarding, because if you have a hand of 2 lands and Kitchen Finks, LtLH, Fulminator Mage, LotV, and Khologhan’s Command, that hand is terrible.
Even having 2 or 3 3 drops in your hand can be awkward, especially if you don’t have a 2 drop or a 1 drop.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
LtLH really shines against decks that run x/1s: Junk with Bob and lingering souls, Mardu Pyromancer with young pyromancer, his tokens, and souls, affinity, elves, spirits, humans.
If your meta doesn’t have these decks you can cut her for other cards.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
EDIT: would 2 collective brutality be better than 2 kitchen finks MB? A turn 2 collective brutality is a lot better than a turn 2 Assassin’s Trophy.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
4 inquisition of Kozilek
2 thoughtseize
4 lightning bolt
3 Assassin’s Trophy
1 Khologhan’s Command
4 Liliana of the veil
1 Liliana, the last hope
Creatures 17
4 dark confidant
4 tarmogoyf
2 grim flayer
2 scavenging ooze
2 kitchen finks
3 Bloodbraid Elf
4 blackcleave cliffs
4 verdant catacombs
4 bloodstained mire
2 overgrown tomb
1 blood crypt
1 stomping ground
2 swamp
2 Forrest
1 mountain
2 raging ravine
1 treetop village
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 ancient grudge
2 golgari charm
2 collective brutality
2 kitchen finks
2 fulminator mage
1 Kalitas, traitor of ghet
1 Thrun, the last troll
1 Batterskull
What do you guys think? Also, has Reid Duke said anything about Assassin’s Trohpy and what kind of a list he will run?
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Would it be too mana greedy to have a list that splashed white for lingering souls and stony silence? Something like:
4 inquisition of Kozilek
4 lightning bolt
3 Assassin’s Trophy
2 collective brutality
4 Liliana of the veil
1 Liliana, the last hope
3 lingering souls
Creatures 15
4 dark confidant
4 tarmogoyf
2 scavenging ooze
2 grim flayer
3 Bloodbraid Elf
4 Blackcleave cliffs
4 verdant catacombs
4 bloodstained mire
1 overgrown tomb
1 blood crypt
1 stomping ground
1 godless shrine
2 swamp
2 Forrest
1 mountain
1 plains
2 raging ravine
2 thoughtseize
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 stony silence
2 ancient grudge
2 collective brutality
2 kitchen finks
2 fulminator mage
1 Kalitas, traitor of ghet
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Elves G
Control B
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Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
JundBGR
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Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB