When FDR said this, the average person worked 50-60 hours a week. I think we base way to much of this debate off a 40 hour work week. There's no reason why anyone can't work multiple jobs or overtime.
But that's the point, isn't it? 40 hours is full-time employment. If you are working a full-time job, shouldn't you be able to afford such things without having to work another job according to principle behind a minimum wage? Is that not the point of the thing?
This is a reason why i think a straight $15 minimum wage is ridiculous.
Why? $15/hour x 40 hours/week x 52 weeks/year = $31,200/year. It doesn't seem ridiculous to me.
Maybe i was a little unclear.
i have no problem if a salary for a college graduate is 30k, obviously this may be adjusted based on location/demographic, etc....
I do think $15 is way too high for someone flipping burgers at McDonalds, Toll collectors at bridges/subways, and other assorted unskilled positions.
Does that clarify my point?
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When the term was coined by FDR, the most common family was a married couple, two children, and one parent was working.
I highly doubt that situation is sustainable any more.
Regardless, 'living wage' would need to be tiered according to my criteria.
Well, you are more than welcome to do the research if you are trying to do a debate. Each state can have a radically difference cost of living. Like, 10 seconds on Google got me this:
"The average cost of raising a child born in 2013 up until age 18 for a middle-income family in the U.S. is approximately $245,340" (Divide that by 18 gets you about $13,630)
"Annual Cost for a Single Adult with No Children: $28,474"
So, for a married couple with a single child, the minimum they would need to make for a living wage would be $70,578 so support that family. That assumes the child is moderately health, and a decent, but not grand house. Now, I do agree that that amount is not sustainable for a single income, unless that person is doing really well, but so in a two working parent household, each person would have to make about $35,289. Increase that number by 14,287 or decrease it for each kid beyond the first, or if the couple decides to not have kids.
For a single parent family, that parent would have to make $42,104 to support a single kid.
So, unless there is a different metric you want to use: do you think it is unreasonable for the cheapest non-intern job to guarantee at least $28,474 a year, including benefits?
I think roughly $30,000 is fair for a college graduate.
If someone has an advanced degree (CPA, Law degree), it should certainly be worth closer to $60,000.
While I agree advanced should be 60k +, I think two adults who have college degrees should be able to afford to have at least one kid if they are willing to work full time, don't you? IF both parents made 30k (which I admit is your minimum, but you yourself said it would be fair) that would barely enough to sustain themselves, let alone a single child (and when I asked if 28k was reasonable, we are assuming that person is working full time 35-40 hours a week. I am not suggesting Parry Part time gets that for working 20 hours a week).
i agree with that, however we have to consider other factors.
2 adults making 60k aren't entitled to live in manhattan, NY for example.
This is a reason why i think a straight $15 minimum wage is ridiculous.
There is a reason a lawyer makes $100 per hour, since he is skilled and earned it.
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Shouldn't the term 'living wage' be defined first?
is it meant for a single person, a married couple, a 5 person family, etc....?
is it the wage for someone with a bachelor's degree, a masters degree, a high-school dropout, etc....?
obviously a college graduate is deserving of a higher income than someone who is lacking the degree.
When the term was coined by FDR, the most common family was a married couple, two children, and one parent was working.
I highly doubt that situation is sustainable any more.
Regardless, 'living wage' would need to be tiered according to my criteria.
Well, you are more than welcome to do the research if you are trying to do a debate. Each state can have a radically difference cost of living. Like, 10 seconds on Google got me this:
"The average cost of raising a child born in 2013 up until age 18 for a middle-income family in the U.S. is approximately $245,340" (Divide that by 18 gets you about $13,630)
"Annual Cost for a Single Adult with No Children: $28,474"
So, for a married couple with a single child, the minimum they would need to make for a living wage would be $70,578 so support that family. That assumes the child is moderately health, and a decent, but not grand house. Now, I do agree that that amount is not sustainable for a single income, unless that person is doing really well, but so in a two working parent household, each person would have to make about $35,289. Increase that number by 14,287 or decrease it for each kid beyond the first, or if the couple decides to not have kids.
For a single parent family, that parent would have to make $42,104 to support a single kid.
So, unless there is a different metric you want to use: do you think it is unreasonable for the cheapest non-intern job to guarantee at least $28,474 a year, including benefits?
I think roughly $30,000 is fair for a college graduate.
If someone has an advanced degree (CPA, Law degree), it should certainly be worth closer to $60,000.
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Shouldn't the term 'living wage' be defined first?
is it meant for a single person, a married couple, a 5 person family, etc....?
is it the wage for someone with a bachelor's degree, a masters degree, a high-school dropout, etc....?
obviously a college graduate is deserving of a higher income than someone who is lacking the degree.
When the term was coined by FDR, the most common family was a married couple, two children, and one parent was working.
I highly doubt that situation is sustainable any more.
Regardless, 'living wage' would need to be tiered according to my criteria.
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Shouldn't the term 'living wage' be defined first?
is it meant for a single person, a married couple, a 5 person family, etc....?
is it the wage for someone with a bachelor's degree, a masters degree, a high-school dropout, etc....?
obviously a college graduate is deserving of a higher income than someone who is lacking the degree.
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Maybe i was a little unclear.
i have no problem if a salary for a college graduate is 30k, obviously this may be adjusted based on location/demographic, etc....
I do think $15 is way too high for someone flipping burgers at McDonalds, Toll collectors at bridges/subways, and other assorted unskilled positions.
Does that clarify my point?
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i agree with that, however we have to consider other factors.
2 adults making 60k aren't entitled to live in manhattan, NY for example.
This is a reason why i think a straight $15 minimum wage is ridiculous.
There is a reason a lawyer makes $100 per hour, since he is skilled and earned it.
pucatrade
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alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
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I think roughly $30,000 is fair for a college graduate.
If someone has an advanced degree (CPA, Law degree), it should certainly be worth closer to $60,000.
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I highly doubt that situation is sustainable any more.
Regardless, 'living wage' would need to be tiered according to my criteria.
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is it meant for a single person, a married couple, a 5 person family, etc....?
is it the wage for someone with a bachelor's degree, a masters degree, a high-school dropout, etc....?
obviously a college graduate is deserving of a higher income than someone who is lacking the degree.
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation