I'd say the one Highroller provided.
But to be honest, like with the atheism thread (even more so because that one at least addresses a clear controversy), I don't think this is a particularly substantive debate. I mean, this is basically a question we can arbitrarily answer. What are we supposed to dispute? 'Living wage' is just a signifier for a specific notion, like any term. What that notion is is whatever we want it to be, that's how language works. The only matter we could discuss is what is a useful definition of living wage with regards to the existing set of terms and uses, and I don't think that's ever going to be a very rewarding debate because the connection to any real world consequences is tenuous.
Whether people should be given a living wage is a much better topic, I think, because it actually has a deeply meaningful relation to the material state of affairs- something which is inherently meaningful. We can there talk about values on what an ideal world is in relation to the idea, the facts about how the world is in relation to the idea, and how we can use those facts to support those values.
I'll bet if this thread sticks around it will either be on tangents or people stone-walling and refusing to acknowledge alternative definitions.
But to be honest, like with the atheism thread (even more so because that one at least addresses a clear controversy), I don't think this is a particularly substantive debate. I mean, this is basically a question we can arbitrarily answer. What are we supposed to dispute? 'Living wage' is just a signifier for a specific notion, like any term. What that notion is is whatever we want it to be, that's how language works. The only matter we could discuss is what is a useful definition of living wage with regards to the existing set of terms and uses, and I don't think that's ever going to be a very rewarding debate because the connection to any real world consequences is tenuous.
Whether people should be given a living wage is a much better topic, I think, because it actually has a deeply meaningful relation to the material state of affairs- something which is inherently meaningful. We can there talk about values on what an ideal world is in relation to the idea, the facts about how the world is in relation to the idea, and how we can use those facts to support those values.
I'll bet if this thread sticks around it will either be on tangents or people stone-walling and refusing to acknowledge alternative definitions.
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