Even in my heavy graveyard abuse decks I usually pass on said orbs cuz it's 4-5 mana at a sorcery speed for a card that does basically nothing, and as artifacts they are easily removed if they end up mattering.
IF you're in blue you have a much better shot as you can run stuff like arcane denial and negate (swan song doesn't hit artifacts looool) but even then Bojuka bog can't be countered, and the artifacts are so cheap they can just be slipped in under countermagic. Bojuka bog can even be crop rotationed in for 1 mana at instant speed.
For the most part you have to play around *****.
One of my major personal gripes with wotc card design and EDH is how ******* draconian the graveyard hate is. I have no problem with GY hate as a concept, but why did they make so many that exile ALL cards from a graveyard with basically zero opportunity cost? Bojuka bog's effective cost is just 1 mana and 0 cards. Relic and spellbomb cost you 2 mana and 0 cards. Bog would still be great if it exiled, say, 5 target cards? It would even be more interesting if it could get, say, up to 5 target cards from different graveyards. But ALL of them? WOTC just hates stuff like legacy manaless dredge, and as a result good freaking luck trying to make a karador dredge edh deck or something fun like that! Seriously what the **** is rest in peace. Bull*****, that's ******* what.
Against rest in peace, relic of progenitus or scavenging ooze you can't really do anything except bait it out with your second- or third-most important graveyard play, then remove it
Even in my heavy graveyard abuse decks I usually pass on said orbs cuz it's 4-5 mana at a sorcery speed for a card that does basically nothing, and as artifacts they are easily removed if they end up mattering.
IF you're in blue you have a much better shot as you can run stuff like arcane denial and negate (swan song doesn't hit artifacts looool) but even then Bojuka bog can't be countered, and the artifacts are so cheap they can just be slipped in under countermagic. Bojuka bog can even be crop rotationed in for 1 mana at instant speed.
For the most part you have to play around *****.
One of my major personal gripes with wotc card design and EDH is how ******* draconian the graveyard hate is. I have no problem with GY hate as a concept, but why did they make so many that exile ALL cards from a graveyard with basically zero opportunity cost? Bojuka bog's effective cost is just 1 mana and 0 cards. Relic and spellbomb cost you 2 mana and 0 cards. Bog would still be great if it exiled, say, 5 target cards? It would even be more interesting if it could get, say, up to 5 target cards from different graveyards. But ALL of them? WOTC just hates stuff like legacy manaless dredge, and as a result good freaking luck trying to make a karador dredge edh deck or something fun like that! Seriously what the **** is rest in peace. Bull*****, that's ******* what.
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