So, it is no longer the "Four Horsemen" of Magic (Legends, Arabian Nights, Antiquities and The Dark) that are easy spec targets, now just about any card from the Reserved list that is playable is being targeted for buy-outs.
WARNING: IF there are ANY cards you want that haven't been bought out, I suggest to trade or buy for them ASAP!!!
I have a few friends that are picking up RL cards whenever they can, even if it's just a 50 cent/dollar card. We haven't gotten to the point of rubbish being targeted, so at least there's time to get the jank you want.
I am speccing that buy 2020, there won't be a Reserved List card under $5.
Only bringing this up because how high the asking price is: FTV: Relics Mox Diamond has hit the roof. Last night the asking price was around $800 w/ 4 or 5 listings on TCGPlayer. This morning there are a few more asking prices hovering around $500. Even if it starts selling at $300, that's still double the price before.
Only the casual players, the old fogeys, the collectors, and the Magic 93/94'ers will care about this, but it is starting to look like nothing from Arabian Nights, Legends, Antiquities or The Dark, that is rare, is an easy grab. I've been watching for 3 months now and cards NOT on the Reserved list are being bought up & price's are jumping like a rabbit on crack... Hell, even some commons and uncommon are in the ridiculous range, such as Repentant Blacksmith.
Original Shapeshifter has a median price of $55. I know the Market Price is only around $4, but that low price isn't going to stay. This is the time to hunt those swapmeets and garage sales for anything from the above mentioned sets before Market Price's start to reflect a fraction of the median prices. Even a 25% reflection of the median price will feel high if you're chasing a place set online.
But I know, if it's not a Reserved card jump, a Standard card jump, or a Modern card jump, no one blinks. But guess what, that is when it happens when no one is looking and the window has already closed.
I was pretty much referring to the Reserved List buy-outs. Anything reprintable is a non-issue.
The reason I asked was 2-part:
I pick up cards on Puca Trade. I would like to know when certain RL cards will reflect the tcgplayer average so I can either add to my wants list, or remove from my wants list. Also, I have been holding off from trading away RL cards in Puca Trade out of fear that the card(s) sent away will jump after I have sent them. This already happened with Corpse Dance.
I also habe a few RL cards I want to buy, but am wary because of price fluctuations. I have been wanting a couple All from Caito's & am going to venture a guess that he ain't ever going down. Same goes for Forcefield & Gauntlet of Might.
All of these price increases have got me thinking, at what point are prices felt to be cemented? For example (sory, it's late & I am not researching prices for this example), when will Revised Wheel of Fortune's price of around $100 be a true reflection? It's price has been pretty high for a while now. When does the community begin to accept the prices are real & not an inflation anymore?
I am adking this now because I haven't seen any of the prices retreat to their original standings prior to this summer. Basically, when does the "cooling off period" end? Or does the volatility of the market mean nothing will stay the same (always in flux & mtgstocks will further add fuel to an existing fire).
Just hoping for a period of calm & normal, regardless of the finally accepted price.
Look what happened today: Beta Camouflage went from a $4 card to a $58 card... yipes!!!
No, it didn't. You really need to use more than a single source for your pricing information, especially when that source doesn't have reliable pricing data. TCGplayer market price, which reflects what people are actually paying for the card, is $6.70. There's a LP listing for $12, and numerous listings in worse condition in the $4 range. eBay sold listings from today alone have one NM at $20.05, LP at $12.68, VF at 3.29, and (most telling) an auction for LP that ended at $4.49. There are BIN for graded BGS 7.5 at $20 and BGS quad 9 at $50. The only place where Beta Camouflage could possibly be construed as being a $58 card is two listings on TCGplayer and the sites that use TCGplayer mid pricing data, like MTGStocks.
MTGStocks is a great site for tracking trends and being aware of price movement but it's a terrible site for reliable pricing data, especially during and after spikes regardless of what's causing the spike. It takes 30 seconds of research to determine that. Please try and think a little more critically about the information you're getting before you feed into the buyout hype.
Holy crap! It was an example- can you spell it with me E-X-A-M-P-L-E... is everything so concrete with you. Doesn't matter if it goes from $4 to $15, or $20, or $50, the fact that it has stayed the same price for what was most likely a decade, then get's sucked into the hype/buy-out vortex means it's moving like it didn't before.
I've been watching prices move, EVERY night, for the past 5 or so years. Trying using YOUR critical thinking skills to see patterns over time. [snip]Looks like someone didn't do well on their ASVAB testing as a kid, lol.[/snip] ABU, Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends & The Dark have moved astronomical amounts that were unseen prior to 2 years ago. Doesn't matter if it is some rich gamer manipulating the prices, an amateur trying to copy-cat the price manipulations, or a panic reaction buy-out, or available copies drying up causing dealers to panic, the price changes are going to forever change the price due to price memory. Look at the past to understand the present.
Look at Lifeblood as an example. Was a $3 card for a very long time ( https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/11642 ). The buy-out sky-rocketed it to over $100. Now it is starting to settle... so far around $30. I do not believe it was ever dip below $10... EVER. That gives it, a minimum of 300% jump. And I bet w/in the next year, it won't go below $20 (may even get another buy-out when the dust finally settles).
You can give me all the different prices examples you want for Camouflage, it is still above the $4 mark that it was at since 2012 (when mtgstocks began). Your "LP" listing for $12 is still a 400% increase. Not normal.
Please try and think a little more critically about the information you are fully looking at in regards to the big picture. Try to see the forest, not just the trees.
If you look @ cards moving 25% or more over the last 2 weeks, you will see a lot of cards that are barely worth playing that are going up. Even cards from Unlimited.
That's more likely a reaction than a buyout. "Oh man, I'd better pick this up for my set now or I"ll never get it at a decent price!"
I'm about a dozen cards away from my UL set, and I'm certainly in that mindset.
Reaction/buy-out... the end result is the same: price jumps. Look what happened today: Beta Camouflage went from a $4 card to a $58 card... yipes!!!
If you look @ cards moving 25% or more over the last 2 weeks, you will see a lot of cards that are barely worth playing that are going up. Even cards from Unlimited.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/casual-multiplayer-formats/multiplayer/809359-neoform-turn-1-win-deck
The cards that are gaining attention and naturally price jumping are:
Mostly due to the interaction w/ Neoform (a 40 cent uncommon, but it's the catalyst).
Is there a particular reason 3 foil Zubera's jumped in one week? W/ 3 of a pattern, there really is no such thing as a coincidence. The three are Floating-Dream Zubera, Dripping-Tongue Zubera & Ashen-Skin Zubera.
See attached screenshot for the evidence...
WARNING: IF there are ANY cards you want that haven't been bought out, I suggest to trade or buy for them ASAP!!!
I have a few friends that are picking up RL cards whenever they can, even if it's just a 50 cent/dollar card. We haven't gotten to the point of rubbish being targeted, so at least there's time to get the jank you want.
I am speccing that buy 2020, there won't be a Reserved List card under $5.
1) Arena Time Spiral foil has jumped a hella amount... anyone know why? Must be a combo piece from something, right?
2) Found a site that gives the 7 week price jump info. Easy to read/navigate. Anyone know about: https://www.echomtg.com/groups/trending-up/ ?
There must've been a buy-out, again.
Are you referring to Super Secret Tech?
Original Shapeshifter has a median price of $55. I know the Market Price is only around $4, but that low price isn't going to stay. This is the time to hunt those swapmeets and garage sales for anything from the above mentioned sets before Market Price's start to reflect a fraction of the median prices. Even a 25% reflection of the median price will feel high if you're chasing a place set online.
But I know, if it's not a Reserved card jump, a Standard card jump, or a Modern card jump, no one blinks. But guess what, that is when it happens when no one is looking and the window has already closed.
And yes, the sky is falling...
The reason I asked was 2-part:
I pick up cards on Puca Trade. I would like to know when certain RL cards will reflect the tcgplayer average so I can either add to my wants list, or remove from my wants list. Also, I have been holding off from trading away RL cards in Puca Trade out of fear that the card(s) sent away will jump after I have sent them. This already happened with Corpse Dance.
I also habe a few RL cards I want to buy, but am wary because of price fluctuations. I have been wanting a couple All from Caito's & am going to venture a guess that he ain't ever going down. Same goes for Forcefield & Gauntlet of Might.
I am adking this now because I haven't seen any of the prices retreat to their original standings prior to this summer. Basically, when does the "cooling off period" end? Or does the volatility of the market mean nothing will stay the same (always in flux & mtgstocks will further add fuel to an existing fire).
Just hoping for a period of calm & normal, regardless of the finally accepted price.
I think this was a long time coming. This is the lesson to be learned for the Reserved List.
I am not surprised at all by all of this.
Holy crap! It was an example- can you spell it with me E-X-A-M-P-L-E... is everything so concrete with you. Doesn't matter if it goes from $4 to $15, or $20, or $50, the fact that it has stayed the same price for what was most likely a decade, then get's sucked into the hype/buy-out vortex means it's moving like it didn't before.
I've been watching prices move, EVERY night, for the past 5 or so years. Trying using YOUR critical thinking skills to see patterns over time. [snip]Looks like someone didn't do well on their ASVAB testing as a kid, lol.[/snip] ABU, Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends & The Dark have moved astronomical amounts that were unseen prior to 2 years ago. Doesn't matter if it is some rich gamer manipulating the prices, an amateur trying to copy-cat the price manipulations, or a panic reaction buy-out, or available copies drying up causing dealers to panic, the price changes are going to forever change the price due to price memory. Look at the past to understand the present.
Look at Lifeblood as an example. Was a $3 card for a very long time ( https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/11642 ). The buy-out sky-rocketed it to over $100. Now it is starting to settle... so far around $30. I do not believe it was ever dip below $10... EVER. That gives it, a minimum of 300% jump. And I bet w/in the next year, it won't go below $20 (may even get another buy-out when the dust finally settles).
You can give me all the different prices examples you want for Camouflage, it is still above the $4 mark that it was at since 2012 (when mtgstocks began). Your "LP" listing for $12 is still a 400% increase. Not normal.
Please try and think a little more critically about the information you are fully looking at in regards to the big picture. Try to see the forest, not just the trees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIdUlp3QAsk
Reaction/buy-out... the end result is the same: price jumps. Look what happened today: Beta Camouflage went from a $4 card to a $58 card... yipes!!!