I need help with something here. Playing a commander game with a friend. Him using Volrarh, the Shapestealer. Me using Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge.... With Jeleva in play he summons Volrath, then enters combat to put a counter in Jeleva. Exits the combat phase without any action goes to the next main phase and activates the ability to copy Jeleva. All this I understand and get. However when becoming the copy he claims that since he spent5 mana on volrath which is now Jeleva, her copied ETB effect takes place and I exile 5 cards from my library. Can someone please explain how this is possible?
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To answer your question briefly - It's not possible.
He can enter combat, Volrath will trigger, and then he does not need to declare any attackers, or anything else. So far so good.
The problem comes in once he copies Jeleva. Volrath is already on the battlefield. In fact, he has to be, in order to use his ability. When he becomes a copy of Jeleva, he is not entering the battlefield - he's already there - he's simply changing attributes. No Enter the Battlefield abilities will trigger.
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SCD is usually used to discuss a specific card, or a card and its functional reprints, such as Fleshbag Marauder and Merciless Executioner may both fit under the same SCD.
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In the future, you'll get faster and better answers asking rules questions in the Rulings Forum. Also, remember to use card tags (especially there).
To answer your question briefly - It's not possible.
Volrath, the Shapestealer
Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
He can enter combat, Volrath will trigger, and then he does not need to declare any attackers, or anything else. So far so good.
The problem comes in once he copies Jeleva. Volrath is already on the battlefield. In fact, he has to be, in order to use his ability. When he becomes a copy of Jeleva, he is not entering the battlefield - he's already there - he's simply changing attributes. No Enter the Battlefield abilities will trigger.
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Sorry about that - As ISB said, the forum software has some anti spam protections, and something must have set it off. I've gone in and flagged it as not-spam, so you should be good to go!
And I just have to say - that is one nice looking post!
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Go ahead and make a new thread, and plenty of people would be happy to help you out!
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Retired EDH - Tibor and Lumia | [PR]Nemata |Ramirez dePietro | [C]Edric | Riku | Jenara | Lazav | Heliod | Daxos | Roon | Kozilek
Retired EDH - Tibor and Lumia | [PR]Nemata |Ramirez dePietro | [C]Edric | Riku | Jenara | Lazav | Heliod | Daxos | Roon | Kozilek
We'll double check our documentation to make sure it's there, or more evident, but they stand for Single Card Discussion, and Multi Card Discussion.
SCD is usually used to discuss a specific card, or a card and its functional reprints, such as Fleshbag Marauder and Merciless Executioner may both fit under the same SCD.
MCD is typically for a class of cards, such as perhaps for discussiong the various Gravepact options, or even perhaps more vaguely to discuss black control cards... In short, discussing multiple cards, that share a common thread of discussion that you are looking for.
Retired EDH - Tibor and Lumia | [PR]Nemata |Ramirez dePietro | [C]Edric | Riku | Jenara | Lazav | Heliod | Daxos | Roon | Kozilek
If a lot of people ask the same question at the same time, it might all get merged together in order to save space/clutter, as they'll at least be temporally related.
If you (or any individual) want to make a general resource/primer-esque type of thread listing major archetypes, popular color combinations/generals (per scoeri's stats?), and correlate that to which pre-con deck to buy and which cards to replace to get started... I have no objection to that kind of thread being made.
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Is there a particular problem you feel like that typr of thread would solve? Are you seeing a lot of "what should I buy" threads/replies?
Retired EDH - Tibor and Lumia | [PR]Nemata |Ramirez dePietro | [C]Edric | Riku | Jenara | Lazav | Heliod | Daxos | Roon | Kozilek