Well the deck is now a T1 deck on MTG Salvation thanks to all the good results lately. That being said, there's like 12 decks in the T1 so that doesn't say much on our deck but it means Modern is very healthy. One thing I love is that our deck is going so Wide in game 1.
Ktken left and he was our data guy. Were still figuring our new cut offs without him. If I went by what I think "probably is" tier 1, theres only 3 decks that fit that %.
Basically, where our cut offs are, how long we track data, and where do we get that data... were gunna be working on that for a while.
Yeah. It was litterally the switch back to mtgos layout... Which everyone agrees is a ***** lol. The second mistake was all me tho, but i still fixed it lol.
I uploaded what is 80% of the primer so far. The images will come shortly... Also a lot of the text is untested/unrefined so don't get too picky. Although critiques are still nice. And MTGS changed how the [box] command works...... I'm real sad.
I uploaded what is 80% of the primer so far. The images will come shortly... Also a lot of the text is untested/unrefined so don't get too picky. Although critiques are still nice. And MTGS changed how the [box] command works...... I'm real sad.
crap. Does that mean our primers got messed up? Damnnnnnnn
All of you advocating Courser need to remember that it pretty much prevents you from ever going off during your combo. You cannot legally shortcut the combo anymore. In between each fetch or knight activation, you will have to shuffle and let your opponent cut, then reveal the top card of your library.
In terms of shortcutting normally (just Knight+Retreat, no Courser involved), I've been asking many judges about this. The general consensus is that you are fine to shortcut it unless your opponent has a valid reason to disallow your shortcut (I.E. they have a response at some point during the combo). So they cannot force you to shuffle in between each fetch without a valid reason.
That reminds me of the Mind's Desire ruling--people typically shuffle their library once and then flip cards off the top (i.e. they don't shuffle between resolving Storm copies), and people's typical behaviour is allowed.
Its a different interaction. While shuffle is on the card (as it is with the the fetches too) you can loop short cut it as long as the top is never "known information" Since cour's is, its not the "reveal trigger" that messes up the loop, its the fact that because its information given to the opponent, you must combo out one by one. This is so the player can see more of your deck for example.
Its not allowed to short cut with it on the field.
I changed my magus to aven on the zoo thread. Still testing, but should make the games a little easier to win.
Regardless! Congrats. I 4-0ed my sat FMN with the combo, and thats over on the zoo thread right now. I'm doing online testing (cockatrice until mtgo.) and finding better results than before now my sideboard is changed too. Seems like the zoo versions are pulling out wins, even though the combo doesnt really happen "god hand" often, it basically funtions as a check against the long game, where zoo starts to get soft. Cool, you been suriving, heres 15 more points of sudden reach damage that tramples and is immune to removal. Good luck.
Will post testing results in the zoo thread in a few hours.
Yeah, it gives good utility, but youre not allowed to short cut anymore.
As far as people saying "you cant dig up the combo in the aggro version." Thats the point. I mean, you kinda can, Collected company. But its you take an already existing shell, in this case zoo, a very good 1.5 tier deck (and the only one on there who can run it.) And add a game wining 2 card combo, that even has protection.
You dont need to dig the combo, the opponent needs to play around it, giving you the edge and windows just to blantently beat down.
Heres my bant verison. I know it was highly requested for a while, but I didnt have the time to do it justice. Im still very much on the naya version (not just for zoo reasons, I actually like it better overall) but this is as far as I got with it before abandoning it (which was pretty far)
Keep it on the cards, and realize EVERYONE has a valid point, until we see the deck is dead and not good, or it starts to have results to back it up. As much as I dont want to agree with it, the flood gates are open until there because its just theory. As soon as the deck gets actual testing behind it, I can guarantee you a new thread will be made for it, and the talk will start to be more focused.
Luckily we have a stunning rules asking section here in magic rulings sub. Someone beat me to the punch there, but they pointed out this you CAN:
A) show the short cut once, and say you intend to do it a X amount of times, and name your triggers each time. You can tell them they either accept the short cut (and if they want a judge can be there) and they can interrupt it if they feel like it, or state a time they would interrupt it. At this point the opponent can say shuffle is a mandatory effect, and they want you to shuffle each time. That brings you to:
B) Call a judge. Under a judges supervision you can say "I have this short cut, he doesnt want me to do it. What is your ruling. If you rule in favor of the shuffle, Id like you to stay here and insure this doesnt go to time, or that stalling happens.
I have no problems with having to go to option B, because anyone who is forcing you to not short cut, is trying to stall you. Thats cheating.
Edit: also, turns out if a lantern is in play, this wont allow you to short cut, because of the reveal would change each time. Thattttttsss a strike against having Corsair of Krophix!
Basically, where our cut offs are, how long we track data, and where do we get that data... were gunna be working on that for a while.
Heres the whole playlist of my daily:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj5oWNcwh-W458lc4h0QA2LDBPMkp-YMT
Lol, again, I wanna stress I was just done a 12 hour shift... I really did suck it up. But the deck level carried me through.
https://youtu.be/8qyjvdL4Q5Y
I love this deck.
https://youtu.be/MK2f_ZBz_c4
https://youtu.be/fuVzK94fJdA
https://youtu.be/wKWAmmjDpEM
https://youtu.be/1f4Apz1xkhQ
Its a different interaction. While shuffle is on the card (as it is with the the fetches too) you can loop short cut it as long as the top is never "known information" Since cour's is, its not the "reveal trigger" that messes up the loop, its the fact that because its information given to the opponent, you must combo out one by one. This is so the player can see more of your deck for example.
Its not allowed to short cut with it on the field.
Regardless! Congrats. I 4-0ed my sat FMN with the combo, and thats over on the zoo thread right now. I'm doing online testing (cockatrice until mtgo.) and finding better results than before now my sideboard is changed too. Seems like the zoo versions are pulling out wins, even though the combo doesnt really happen "god hand" often, it basically funtions as a check against the long game, where zoo starts to get soft. Cool, you been suriving, heres 15 more points of sudden reach damage that tramples and is immune to removal. Good luck.
Will post testing results in the zoo thread in a few hours.
As far as people saying "you cant dig up the combo in the aggro version." Thats the point. I mean, you kinda can, Collected company. But its you take an already existing shell, in this case zoo, a very good 1.5 tier deck (and the only one on there who can run it.) And add a game wining 2 card combo, that even has protection.
You dont need to dig the combo, the opponent needs to play around it, giving you the edge and windows just to blantently beat down.
https://youtu.be/dz8seCWt5SU
A) show the short cut once, and say you intend to do it a X amount of times, and name your triggers each time. You can tell them they either accept the short cut (and if they want a judge can be there) and they can interrupt it if they feel like it, or state a time they would interrupt it. At this point the opponent can say shuffle is a mandatory effect, and they want you to shuffle each time. That brings you to:
B) Call a judge. Under a judges supervision you can say "I have this short cut, he doesnt want me to do it. What is your ruling. If you rule in favor of the shuffle, Id like you to stay here and insure this doesnt go to time, or that stalling happens.
I have no problems with having to go to option B, because anyone who is forcing you to not short cut, is trying to stall you. Thats cheating.
Source: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-rulings/634983-knight-of-the-reliquary-and-retreat-to-coralhelm
Edit: also, turns out if a lantern is in play, this wont allow you to short cut, because of the reveal would change each time. Thattttttsss a strike against having Corsair of Krophix!