Might be fringe, but I when played prism in the fury version a while ago, I often wanted to use the mana in different turns, and not all at a time, which vessel doesn't allow.
He played two different lists (catched a stream where he was playing again). In the first night he played Shoalless, Looting, Discovery, Hugs, Morphose, Phoenix, Griselbrand and Emmi (with both Goryos and TTB).
The second night was a Shoal build with 4 Phoenixes and Discovery, but I have no idea what he cut (he went off once so saw a lot of cards but I didn't saw any "missing" cards to say it this way).
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Found the player and got to talk to him about his lists - and got permission to post it here. As a caveat, he said the ones he played on the twitch stream are still in tuning and thus has various versions:
Version 1: Grixis Shoal-less
Feels more consistent (Serum Visions / Opt) in setting up the combo turn - but shields can be down without much disruption (which looks like is available in the sideboard).
Slightly trades off the consistency of Serum Visions with the Temple of Malice, but offers the option to lightning bolt (which have been great against creature decks).
Seems to be very much like most Grishoalbrand lists - but Simian Spirit Guide was replaced with Arclight Phoenix. He said that he doesn't have enough data to really see if it's worth the addition/replacement as there were times were SSG would have won him the game instead of the Phoenix.
In essence, the Phoenix version trades off those insane Turn-2/Turn-3 SSG lines to add another dimension to the deck - but is still explosive nonetheless.
I am not sure if there is a clear better version of the three, but I think it's worth play-testing and building off of these versions and see what comes out of it. I'm always down to jam a Griselbrand deck.
I'm leaning more towards Version 1 with the blue - those dispels in the sideboard make me feel comfortable bringing it to a larger tournament.
just out of curiosity, would arclight phoenix work in a griselbrand deck shell? I have never played the deck but I was thinking there are good ways of drawing cards and discarding. I just thought maybe it would be a decent idea and curious if anyone has toyed with that idea?
I'm pretty happy with my mainboard. i love having the 3 rituals and i still can't think of a time I wished i had more than 1 manamorphose. brutality has been great.
sb is a bit more subject to change. i still think lightning axe is great in this meta and kills everything relevant. i think i should have two sprees in the sb but am unsure what the cut is. also anger probably needs to be a kreturn. i also need to do a sb chart because i feel like i have too many cards to bring in in some matchups. gut tells me I'm shaving one chalice or moon in favor of the spree.
a sb idea ive wanted to try actually is something i saw in an IQ list. theoretically this is a resilient alternative win con and discard outlet and could create enough of a wall to buy time. has anyone tried this?
I'm going for PPTQ this weekend and I'm planning to take my pet deck since last year I wasn't able to play magic at all and I am exicted to get back to modern again. I went to a tourney 2 weeks ago and posted my list here. Only a few changes will be made, but before I wanted to ask for forum wisdom.
1- What are the risks of going below 19 lands (seems the consensus)? I have played several matches using a list from an asian guy that I am unable to find now in which he played 17 lands and added +2 Borbo. I have yet to have an issue with the lands. The closest thing to a land trouble that has happened was that I once was 1 land short of killing my opponent with a borbo in play, but he scooped anyway when the count added up to five (he was at 17). Since I have only played 20 games, which I consider a small sample, I am considering -1 Borbo, +1 land. The extra borbos have been useful, as I described in my last post vs counters-company
2- In my last list I had shatterstorm in my sb. I am willing to replace it, but I'd like to know what would be the best card to replace it with. I have been thinking about shattering spree of course, but also thought that it might be too red intensive (by force maybe?) and that engineered explosives provides extra flexibility overall, especially vs rest in peace. As a curiosity, they once saved me against empty the warrens against storm.
3- What is the sb plan against Tron? The moons look too obvious, but they might just delay the go-over-the-top game and not the aggro part, which could be an issue combined with relics and surgical extractions
After almost a year off of playing modern, I went to a crowded FNM with my pet deck. I really didn't have a lot of time to make significant changes in my deck, so I took the deck as it was and just changed -4 leylines and added +4 blood moons to the side. The list ended up as follows:
Round 1 VS Affinity
- Game 1: I win the diceroll and start with a hand that is able to breach a wurm on turn 4 while splicing a shoal. Muliganing probably won't be any better so I play it out. He starts fast, but lacks hard-hitting creatures. He never topdecks a plating and I win attacking with the wurm and later reanimating a borborygmos to finish the job. -1 breach, -2 whisper, -1 manamorphose / +3 anger, +1 shatterstorm
- Game 2: My hand is ok, but since he is mulliganing, I feel like I have time. He starts really fast with critters, plating and master. I luckily topdeck the last piece of the combo and am able to hit with Griselbrand, draw 14 and combo from there. 1-0
Round 2 VS Vizier Company
- Game 1: I win the diceroll and keep a hand with 2 looting, reunion, 2 borborygmos and a breach. I discard both borborygmos while trying to get one of my game enders. He drops an ooze t3 and feels very confident exiling both borborygmos from my gy (I can see it in his face). He feels obviously surprised when I eventually combo off with Grisel and breach the third Borborygmos, which he admits didn't reckon I was packing, and win the game. -1 reunion, -1 borbo, - 1 ritual, -1 whisper / + 3 anger, +1 Emrakul
- Game 2: My opponent kept a mediocre hand which is able to cast a Linvala, Keeper of silence on t3. Unfortunately for him, he never reaches that turn and dies to a t2 Griselbrand. 2-0
Round 3 VS Jund He is a friend of mine, and I know he has been playing the deck only for a few months, so I may have a chance here.
- Game 1: I lose the diceroll and keep a hand with 2 goryo's, 2 shoals and a reunion. He pulls out his combo of black source + discard and takes the reuinon. I do nothing t2, he inquisitions me again and takes one of the vengeances, I do nothing for a couple of turns while he plays dark confidant + goyf. For some reason, he EOTs commands me making me discard. I discard Griselbrand, reanimate him and win out of this mistake (and my luck to have drawn a Griselbrand that turn) -1 ritual, -1 manamorphose, -2 reunion / +4 bloo moon
- Game 2: I keep a hilarious hand: 2 simian, 1 moon, 1 griselbrand, 1 looting, 1 goryo's, 1 shoal. If I draw a land I can either combo or moon t1. He inquisitions me t1 and takes the vengeance, but I topdeck a ritual and cast blood moon out of the ritual + the two monkeys. The games stays still for 5 turns when I finally topdeck a looting and manage to find a black source to be able to combo and he can't do anything since his four lands were basic mountains.3-0
Round 4 VS Storm:
- Game 1: Win the diceroll and keep a fast hand. He playst Baral t2, as a consequence he dies back from an uncontested Griselbrand. -1 breach, -1 reunion, -1 temple, -1 borborygmos / +3 pact, +1 boseiju
- Game 2: I mull to 5 and try to combo when he is cantripping at the end of one of my turns. I fail to find anything relevant and die proudly to my own eck.
- Game 3: This time my opponent plays more carefully, always leaving 1-2 mana up. It doesn't matter because I have pact of negation backup and all he has is a remand, so I win the round and the FNM. 4-0
Overall I think I got lucky and had lots of good matchups. The meta was very favourable, with 0 shadow deks around. The worst matchups were jund, junk, a mill deck and probably a guy playing merfolk. I only faced one of them, while also avoiding other great matchups in scapeshift and tron. I felt my maindeck was good, and probalby would make a couple of changes in my sb, especially getting rid of shatterstorm for something like Shattering spree.
I'm not feeling any sort of love from SOI as of the moment, and I'm losing hope, I mean geeez, I know Griselbrands dead and all storywise, but it wouldn't hurt to give us some toys, seeing it's his homeplane and all
I've been testing with Heir of Falkenrath and have found her to be awesome in the grixis list. Got 2 Kalitas in their as well.
I think our deck is poised fairly well against Eldrazi and the new format that comes with it. The biggest issues I foresee are Knot Seers, their fast clock and maybe Chalice. Does our main deck need to adapt to improve the matchup? What's the prevailing sideboard now?
If running blue, echoing truth might be useful, bouncing seers to get the card and bouncing relics if ready to go off
Any thoughts on the new spoiled card, pieces of the puzzle?
The effect seems better than scheming, since at least it could put some more digging / part of the combo in our hand, but the 3 cmc and the sorcery speed might be too slow.
This is my current grixis list, I won the last 3 modern tourney I played it in. I'd like to fit lightning axe in sideboard and play like a one of snapcaster somewhere. The one of Noxious revival, Halimar deapths, and temple have been flowing nicely. Also the cut of manamorphose and added triple ritual have made the deck really explosive.
thoughts from other grixis players would be appreciated.
I would throw the noxious revival and a ritual. Revival hurts a lot more than they are worth, specially when running 3 colors, and you don't really need 3 rituals. Add some number of night's whisper or painful truths, they will help you to go through the TTB plan.
Is there a reason for running gemstone mines? I'd say blackcleave cliffs are better in most of the cases.
i like how any article on it makes it seem like its an invincible turn 2 always... sometimes the deck literally does nothing.
He must have played exactly 0 games with his own list. He is not running Fury of the Horde to continue attacking with Griselbrand ro Shoal to gain life and go on with the combo.
It's not his list, that's a list that 5-0'd a Modern League on MTGO. EFro's "Deck of the Day" articles are basically the same as GerryT's "Daily Digest" on SCG: They pick a list that showed up in the Wizards reporting of Leagues / Daily Events, and write a quick blurb about it.
My fault. I thought people who wrote these kind of articles would actually have played the deck they are talking about to an extent. Didn't get the point of the article. Now that you mention it, GT articles always seemed kind of awkward, giving some brews but never going in depth about them. +1 for the insight
i like how any article on it makes it seem like its an invincible turn 2 always... sometimes the deck literally does nothing.
He must have played exactly 0 games with his own list. He is not running Fury of the Horde to continue attacking with Griselbrand ro Shoal to gain life and go on with the combo.
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Thank you! I will try the grixis version tonight
Deck looks good, any idea on the decklist or on how the matchups change with that version?
What is it exactly?
1- What are the risks of going below 19 lands (seems the consensus)? I have played several matches using a list from an asian guy that I am unable to find now in which he played 17 lands and added +2 Borbo. I have yet to have an issue with the lands. The closest thing to a land trouble that has happened was that I once was 1 land short of killing my opponent with a borbo in play, but he scooped anyway when the count added up to five (he was at 17). Since I have only played 20 games, which I consider a small sample, I am considering -1 Borbo, +1 land. The extra borbos have been useful, as I described in my last post vs counters-company
2- In my last list I had shatterstorm in my sb. I am willing to replace it, but I'd like to know what would be the best card to replace it with. I have been thinking about shattering spree of course, but also thought that it might be too red intensive (by force maybe?) and that engineered explosives provides extra flexibility overall, especially vs rest in peace. As a curiosity, they once saved me against empty the warrens against storm.
3- What is the sb plan against Tron? The moons look too obvious, but they might just delay the go-over-the-top game and not the aggro part, which could be an issue combined with relics and surgical extractions
4 Bloodstained mire
4 Temple of malice
2 Blood crypt
4 swamp
3 mountain
Creatures:
4 Griselbrand
4 Worldspine wurm
4 Borborygmos enraged
4 Simian spirit guide
4 Goryo's vengeance
4 Through the breach
4 Faithless looting
4 Cathartic reunion
4 Night's whisper
4 Nourishing shoal
2 Desperate ritual
1 Manamorphose
1 Boseiju, who shelters all
3 Pact of negation
2 Collective brutality
3 Anger of the gods
4 Blood moon
1 Shatterstorm
1 Emrakul, the aeons torn
Round 1 VS Affinity
- Game 1: I win the diceroll and start with a hand that is able to breach a wurm on turn 4 while splicing a shoal. Muliganing probably won't be any better so I play it out. He starts fast, but lacks hard-hitting creatures. He never topdecks a plating and I win attacking with the wurm and later reanimating a borborygmos to finish the job.
-1 breach, -2 whisper, -1 manamorphose / +3 anger, +1 shatterstorm
- Game 2: My hand is ok, but since he is mulliganing, I feel like I have time. He starts really fast with critters, plating and master. I luckily topdeck the last piece of the combo and am able to hit with Griselbrand, draw 14 and combo from there. 1-0
Round 2 VS Vizier Company
- Game 1: I win the diceroll and keep a hand with 2 looting, reunion, 2 borborygmos and a breach. I discard both borborygmos while trying to get one of my game enders. He drops an ooze t3 and feels very confident exiling both borborygmos from my gy (I can see it in his face). He feels obviously surprised when I eventually combo off with Grisel and breach the third Borborygmos, which he admits didn't reckon I was packing, and win the game.
-1 reunion, -1 borbo, - 1 ritual, -1 whisper / + 3 anger, +1 Emrakul
- Game 2: My opponent kept a mediocre hand which is able to cast a Linvala, Keeper of silence on t3. Unfortunately for him, he never reaches that turn and dies to a t2 Griselbrand. 2-0
Round 3 VS Jund
- Game 1: I lose the diceroll and keep a hand with 2 goryo's, 2 shoals and a reunion. He pulls out his combo of black source + discard and takes the reuinon. I do nothing t2, he inquisitions me again and takes one of the vengeances, I do nothing for a couple of turns while he plays dark confidant + goyf. For some reason, he EOTs commands me making me discard. I discard Griselbrand, reanimate him and win out of this mistake (and my luck to have drawn a Griselbrand that turn)
-1 ritual, -1 manamorphose, -2 reunion / +4 bloo moon
- Game 2: I keep a hilarious hand: 2 simian, 1 moon, 1 griselbrand, 1 looting, 1 goryo's, 1 shoal. If I draw a land I can either combo or moon t1. He inquisitions me t1 and takes the vengeance, but I topdeck a ritual and cast blood moon out of the ritual + the two monkeys. The games stays still for 5 turns when I finally topdeck a looting and manage to find a black source to be able to combo and he can't do anything since his four lands were basic mountains.3-0
Round 4 VS Storm:
- Game 1: Win the diceroll and keep a fast hand. He playst Baral t2, as a consequence he dies back from an uncontested Griselbrand.
-1 breach, -1 reunion, -1 temple, -1 borborygmos / +3 pact, +1 boseiju
- Game 2: I mull to 5 and try to combo when he is cantripping at the end of one of my turns. I fail to find anything relevant and die proudly to my own eck.
- Game 3: This time my opponent plays more carefully, always leaving 1-2 mana up. It doesn't matter because I have pact of negation backup and all he has is a remand, so I win the round and the FNM. 4-0
Overall I think I got lucky and had lots of good matchups. The meta was very favourable, with 0 shadow deks around. The worst matchups were jund, junk, a mill deck and probably a guy playing merfolk. I only faced one of them, while also avoiding other great matchups in scapeshift and tron. I felt my maindeck was good, and probalby would make a couple of changes in my sb, especially getting rid of shatterstorm for something like Shattering spree.
The effect that card provides is not new. Should you want more of the same, check Oona's prowler
If running blue, echoing truth might be useful, bouncing seers to get the card and bouncing relics if ready to go off
The effect seems better than scheming, since at least it could put some more digging / part of the combo in our hand, but the 3 cmc and the sorcery speed might be too slow.
I would throw the noxious revival and a ritual. Revival hurts a lot more than they are worth, specially when running 3 colors, and you don't really need 3 rituals. Add some number of night's whisper or painful truths, they will help you to go through the TTB plan.
Is there a reason for running gemstone mines? I'd say blackcleave cliffs are better in most of the cases.
My fault. I thought people who wrote these kind of articles would actually have played the deck they are talking about to an extent. Didn't get the point of the article. Now that you mention it, GT articles always seemed kind of awkward, giving some brews but never going in depth about them. +1 for the insight
He must have played exactly 0 games with his own list. He is not running Fury of the Horde to continue attacking with Griselbrand ro Shoal to gain life and go on with the combo.