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@darktutor I really like the list you posted! Was a long time dead guy ale player and always loved the control/denial aspects of D&T. Have you had any more success with this build? Be been lurking on the D&T thread, but it seems to be all over the place..

Yeah, I played a similar version to a 5-0-1 finish into first seed, then won top8 against scapeshift, top4 against dredge and lost in the finals against Jeskai control (No nahiri). Games were tight and the deck felt great!

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So I've been trying to accomplish a lot lately in the Wx colors. Been trying mono white taxes, bw eldrazi taxes and bw taxes. Then I realized how much I value Dark Confidant and Lingering Souls. So this is where I am at the moment:

Taxman AleMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
Business: 4x Path to Exile 4x Æther Vial 4x Dark Confidant 4x Leonin Arbiter 3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 3x Tidehollow Sculler 2x Phyrexian Revoker 2x Serra Avenger 4x Flickerwisp 2x Kitchen Finks 2x Aven Mindcensor 1x Brimaz, King of Oreskos 2x Lingering Souls 1x Sword of Fire and Ice	Lands: 4x Godless Shrine 2x Isolated Chapel 2x Shambling vent 1x Sea Gate Wreckage 1x Horizon Canopy 4x Ghost Quarter 1x Tectonic Edge 2x Vault of the Archangel 4x Plains 1x Swamp	Sideboard: 1x Relic of Progenitus 2x Duress 2x Ethersworn Canonist 2x Stony Silence 2x Rest in Peace 1x Disenchant 2x Warping Wail 2x Mirran Crusader 1x Vryn Wingmare

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Business: 4x Path to Exile 3x Thoughtseize 3x Inquisition of Kozilek 4x Dark Confidant 4x Tidehollow Sculler 2x Doom Blade 1x Go for the Throat 3x Lingering Souls 3x Kitchen Finks 1x Brimaz, King of Oreskos 4x Blade Splicer 2x Eldrazi Displacer	2x Restoration Angel Lands: 3x Godless Shrine 4x Marsh Flats 1x Bloodstained Mire 1x Horizon Canopy 4x Shambling Vent 2x Isolated Chapel 2x Tectonic Edge 2x Vault of the Archangel 1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth 3x Plains 1x Swamp	Sideboard: 2x Relic of Progenitus 2x Duress 1x Celestial Purge 1x Disenchant 2x Stony Silence 1x Zealous Persecution 2x Mirran Crusader 1x Wrath of God 2x Liliana of the Veil 1x Blood Baron of Vizkopa

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Business: 4x Path to Exile 4x Thoughtseize 2x Inquisition of Kozilek 4x Eldrazi Mimic 2x Warping Wail 1x Doom Blade 1x Dismember 4x Matter Reshaper 3x Lingering Souls 3x Eldrazi Displacer	4x Thought-Knot Seer 4x Reality Smasher Lands: 4x Eldrazi Temple 4x Godless Shrine 4x Caves of Koilos 2x Sea Gate Wreckage 2x Tectonic Edge 2x Ghost Quarter 1x Fetid Heath 2x Swamp 2x Plains 1x Wastes	Sdeiboard: 2x Relic of Progenitus 2x Duress 2x Rest in Peace 2x Stony Silence 2x Ethersworn Canonist 1x Warping Wail 2x Spatial Contortion 2x Batterskull

Has everyone dropped out on BW archetype? Is anyone still building up the archetype? I believe there is a lot to be explored here, BW should be good against combo and creature decks, contain control and midrange fairly, and a decent match against fast aggro.

In case there is people wanting to discuss this archetype, I had some good amount of success playing a different version of the Taxman Ale quoted list. Deck has great Jund MU, and a good MU against UW/Jeskai Nahiri and combo decks (infect, melira, scapeshift, etc).
I played the deck at local WMCQ (90 players). I went 6-0-1 into top seed.
2-1 Jeskai Nahiri
2-0 Jund
2-0 UW Control
2-1 BTL Scapeshift
2-1 UG Infect
2-1 Jund
ID Melira CoCo
Lost in top8 to Jund Dregde, which ended up winning the event. Had I known dredge was IDing into last placings I would have conceded last round to play against Jund/Grixis and dodge it.
The deck does what it is meant to do and I loved how it played out. I should have mulliganed aggressively into Grafdigfer's or RiP in top8 but I punted and I didn't. Anyway, I could have mulliganed into oblivion, or ended up not winning the MU anyway (although unlikely) and, to be fair, he deserved the invite more than me so can't complain.
All in all I' really happy of how the deck performed and how it surfed through the matches just like I expected. Made a couple of minor mistakes that didn't cost too much during swiss (like not droping a GQ before vialing an Arbiter, although the game was pretty much done, and missing a EoT return trigger on SoFaI from wisp, which didn't have effect as I flickered it during my turn anyway), and made some major mistakes in the Dredge match, as I didn't test any single match against it. Those mistakes didn't prove to be game losing, as the deck is so much faster than mine and the CA it produces can be so nasty.
Gotta work it up for September now.


The list was:


From EDM I think that I'll add 2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar and 2 Selfless Spirit most likely to the Mainboard. Flex slots in MB are Vryn Wingmare, Mirran Crusader, Kitchen Finks and Serra Avengers. Not sure how I'd be making the replacement, but if I do take out Wingmare and/or Crusader I am most likely putting them in SB and cutting something from there (likely Disenchant and/or a Burrenton Forge-Tender).

It is a BW Taxes deck mainly but I figured it shares so much of the Deadguy Ale deck that it also fits here, plus people in D&T thread are too hyped on the Eldrazi version -which I tested and found inconsistent (a worse tax/vial deck and a worse eldrazi deck)- and there are also people discussing WG and monoW versions, so I wanted to share it here as there are only BW loving people in here.

So I've been trying to accomplish a lot lately in the Wx colors. Been trying mono white taxes, bw eldrazi taxes and bw taxes. Then I realized how much I value Dark Confidant and Lingering Souls. So this is where I am at the moment:



Has everyone dropped out on BW archetype? Is anyone still building up the archetype? I believe there is a lot to be explored here, BW should be good against combo and creature decks, contain control and midrange fairly, and a decent match against fast aggro.

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Ah, and for Drana, I still dont know, may be i'll rework all in a diferent deck more token oriented, maybe 2 in for 2 lilianas (those going to the sideboard)

I think there you should replace Dark Confidants with Bitterblossom

It's still an include in a deck with targeted discard though, but having 4 toughness would help a lot.

If only 2/4 :'(

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How has Pack Rat been working for you?

You have 2 choices with the rat. Either you drop it turn 2 and see how it goes, or you go grindy and drop it turn 5. If it resolves, it's instant madness, cause it's gonna stay there for real, or is gonna trade 2/3 for one, which is amazing. Either they die to it, or they run out of gas because of it. Remember, IF it resolves and IF it survives (if cast on T2).

I'm playing with the idea of using swords, but since I don't own any, and I do own some Sorin, Solemn Visitor I'm sticking with him (also because I'm running Bitterblossom). He's the master of Tokens, insane synergy with the rat, blossom and Hero of Bladehold. If a non responded Bladehold is 90% of the times a sealed game, a following Sorin is 180%.

Hey I'm a BW Tokens midrange player, and since tomorrow I'm getting my Bobs playset, I want to switch to Deadguy Ale. I already tasted the explosive an unanswered Pack Rat can be, and I'd love to use it as a goyf.

These are the 75 I was thinking about:


Any kind of feedback will be highly appreciated.