Okay guys, update, I talked to Shinbatsu and he gave me his blessing to create a spiritual successor to this thread. Expect it to be up in a few days time.
Okay! A new thread has been discussed, but was never really acted on or planned out. I may message the creator of this thread to see if they plan to make a new one.
I wouldn't spend your time trying to talk to shinbatsu in this thread. I haven't seen them for awhile D:
I think more people should POST rotation safe decks, but there's not too much reason to do it now.
So, I haven't really heard a huge response, but I would like to know if people are interested in talking to Shinbatsu about what they plan to do with the thread.
Hey guys! Just wanted to take a few moments to talk about something really quick.
So, it looks like Shinbatsu, the creator of this thread, isn't doing standard stuff anymore. They've been absent from this thread for awhile, and their signature seems to state that they don't want much to do with Standard.
Rotation is coming up in a few months, and at that point, all of these decks will be obsolete. At that point, would anyone be interested in continuing the legacy of this thread? I'd be happy to help, as long as I wasn't the only one with an interest.
I guess before we get ahead of ourselves, if anyone knows Shinbatsu or has talked to them in the past, would you mind sending them a PM or talk to them in some way and see if they plan on continuing this thread, or if they'd be fine with seeing someone else do something like it for next standard?
Nath'd. Shipping prices add a lot to the budget, even doubling the prices sometimes, so I at least am considering their low prices as some sort of "local retailer" (you buy your cards from your LGS, and since you buy it "in person", you're not charged with shipping prices).
***BACKGROUND***
With the metagame changing and Standard shaping around Blood Baron of Vizkopa and Boros Reckoner amongst others, I believe Dega Midrange will be a powerful contender. We lack the money to pack both of those cards in our deck, but we have some other budget options we can use to build our deck in this color combination and ride it to victory.
KEY CARDS & INTERACTIONS: Deathpact Angel & Sire of Insanity: These are both bomby, valuable creatures that are hard to deal with: Angel keeps coming, where Sire can't be taken out without a miraculous topdeck. Both beat face pretty hard. Ember Swallower & Alms Beast: Our valuable 4-drops. Both clog the ground and are fat for their mana cost. If Ember Swallower manages to get monstruous active, he grows a lot and destroys the opponent manabase (yours too, but you are left with at least a 7/8 body). Both dodge damage based removal, and Alms Beast dodges Doom Blade. High Priest of Penance: Tough blocker since turn 2, this can blow up permanents backed up by some removal. Aurelia's Fury: If done in the opponent's upkeep, this can be pretty backbreaking: fog effect + silence is practically a timewalk. On top of it, it burns face and removes creatures. Flames of the Firebrand, Magma Jet & Read the Bones: Our 2-for-1 cards. Rakdos Keyrune & Haunted Plate Mail: Both dodge removal and sweepers and can defend fairly well. Keyrune also ramps, while Mail can be equipped, so they're never dead.
This deck is untested, so be careful. The deck is built essentially around discard and resource denial. You want to leave them with no options, first by making them discard, then by hitting as many of their creatures as you can. Finally, after you've exhausted their resources, Indulgent Tormentor comes out to win the game. However, Liliana's Reaver and Gray Merchant are other strong wincons. Some tips: Because we have a lot of creature kill, unless the creature is going to be a big problem with no other way for us to deal with it, take the artifacts and enchantments before the creatures with any targeted discard. Black has a harder time dealing against that than it does against most creatures.
I'm going to make this long-ish and go through the list of cards in this deck to explain their function. I'll put it in a spoiler, so you can skip it if you like.
The Spells
Duress: The budget one drop discard spell. Unfortunately doesn't take creatures, but will take planeswalkers, or instants and sorceries. Costing B makes this worth the inclusion.
Devour Flesh: One of our kill spells. It helps us kill Blood Baron and anything with hexproof. It's a bit of a non-bo with Indulgent Tormentor, but not enough to make it not an include.
Doom Blade: A two mana kill spell. Self Explanatory.
Sign in Blood: This card is amazingly good. It draws us into more discard, and makes sure we have a hand full of options against our opponent's dwindling resources.
Mind Rot: Two cards for three mana. Not the best deal, but I wanted another discard spell and figured it was worth a space.
Whip of Erebos: The 'ole whip. Works pretty nicely with most of our creatures, and can give us some life boosting. If it turns into a real war of attrition, the Whip can help us win it.
The Creatures
Brain Maggot: Any card in their hand for two mana. Of course, Brain Maggot needs to stay alive, but if they need to burn removal on this guy, they're probably not in a great position.
Disciple of Phenax: The most interesting thing about him is he can hit land. That's pretty awesome, honestly, but maybe a bit too late at a four drop. It'll probably gut the rest of their hand, though.
Liliana's Reaver: A deathtouch 4/3 that makes its own army. This card is surprisingly decent. Making your opponent discard at that point probably won't mean much, but it's nice to have a constant source of discard (provided it can hit each turn.)
Gray Merchant of Asphodel: A powerful card for mono black. Gray Merchant can swing games pretty easily. I don't think I really need to go into how good it is.
Indulgent Tormentor: Usually, I'd say he's not great for standard, even in a budget deck, but protected by plenty of discard, I think the Tormentor is just the wincon we need. If we can keep their creature count down, they'll have to either be taking 8 each turn or letting us draw. If not, we can take out creatures.
Other Cards
Encroaching Wastes: I wanted a pair in the deck to shut down Nykthos. After that, it's not really that good, but it can also sometimes hit important nonbasics. I think it's fine as a two-of.
Nonbudget Options
Thoughtseize is the first card to consider of course. Desecration Demon is actually surprisingly budget nowadays, so you could replace the Reaver with him if you want. You could also try Liliana Vess. I don't think Waste Not is that good in this deck, but props to you if you want to try it. Finally, Hero's Downfall is a much more reliable way to keep Planeswalkers off the field.
Silence in the Library (Enchantment control with Silent Sentinel)
This deck came about because I pulled a Silent Sentinel and decided it deserved a fate better than being stuck in my binder of all eternity. After collaborating with Chowdahrogansorah, we managed to come up with a budget deck that makes use of this junk rare as well as a few of his fellow archons. The name is a clever Doctor Who reference, but could also apply to both the fact that we're playing Silent Sentinel, as well as the deck's more lockdown components.
The main non-budget inclusions would definitely be more detention spheres, and Supreme Verdict. The one thing this deck could benefit from is a way to sacrifice enchantments, so as to reuse detention spheres and arrests with Silent Sentinel, but sadly, we don't have a sac outlet for enchantments in standard.
If you're looking to sideboard for this deck, I recommend including some cards to deal with aggro, such as Azorius Charm, or Aetherize. Some other sideboard cards to consider include more counterspells like Gainsay or Negate, Glare of Heresy, and Pithing Needle. No sideboard is included here as I'm of the belief that you should tailor your sideboard based on your own personal meta, and also it might push the budget over.
I really want to contribute to this thread, but I have no idea how to make something good for under $10. One card that interests me a lot is using Voidwielder in a tempo style evolve deck. His high toughness makes for a good evolve enabler and his ability is good either at gaining tempo, or reusing ETB triggers. If anyone wants to help me develop that further, you would be an awesome person.
This is the evolution of my old Orzhov deck. It's upgraded with new M14 cards and soon Theros cards. The object is to "combo" using Alms Beast to cause BACKBREAKING life swings. You can finish using Vizkopa Guildmage to do as much as a 21 point swing with a single attack! Combine this with efficient beaters and removal, and you are ready to steal some games. Remember not to be afraid to drop Gift on a Thrill-Kill or Priest if the opening is there and you think it's possible to connect a few times.
KEY CARDS & INTERACTIONS:
1) Vizkopa Guildmage + Alms Beast + Gift of Orzhova: This is where the deck gets it's name. You go from losing to winning, or winning to really winning with a single connect. We are talking +7 life for you and -14 life for them. In magical xmas land, have Ajani down and use his -3 for a OHKO.
2) Sin Collector: This guy is important. If you suspect removal, drop him first to check out their hand and get rid of their answer to your combo before you build Voltron.
3) Deathpact Angel: This is your plan B. A hard to deal with huge flying beater with SWEET artwork. Love it.
4) Orzhov Charm: Don't be afraid to use it's 1st mode to save your Gift'ed Alms Beast when necessary.
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I think more people should POST rotation safe decks, but there's not too much reason to do it now.
So, I haven't really heard a huge response, but I would like to know if people are interested in talking to Shinbatsu about what they plan to do with the thread.
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So, it looks like Shinbatsu, the creator of this thread, isn't doing standard stuff anymore. They've been absent from this thread for awhile, and their signature seems to state that they don't want much to do with Standard.
Rotation is coming up in a few months, and at that point, all of these decks will be obsolete. At that point, would anyone be interested in continuing the legacy of this thread? I'd be happy to help, as long as I wasn't the only one with an interest.
I guess before we get ahead of ourselves, if anyone knows Shinbatsu or has talked to them in the past, would you mind sending them a PM or talk to them in some way and see if they plan on continuing this thread, or if they'd be fine with seeing someone else do something like it for next standard?
Thanks!
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Hey! I really like this list but I'd like to update it and focus it more around Sire of Insanity. Any suggestions?
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*** BACKGROUND ***
This deck is untested, so be careful. The deck is built essentially around discard and resource denial. You want to leave them with no options, first by making them discard, then by hitting as many of their creatures as you can. Finally, after you've exhausted their resources, Indulgent Tormentor comes out to win the game. However, Liliana's Reaver and Gray Merchant are other strong wincons. Some tips: Because we have a lot of creature kill, unless the creature is going to be a big problem with no other way for us to deal with it, take the artifacts and enchantments before the creatures with any targeted discard. Black has a harder time dealing against that than it does against most creatures.
I'm going to make this long-ish and go through the list of cards in this deck to explain their function. I'll put it in a spoiler, so you can skip it if you like.
The Spells
Duress: The budget one drop discard spell. Unfortunately doesn't take creatures, but will take planeswalkers, or instants and sorceries. Costing B makes this worth the inclusion.
Devour Flesh: One of our kill spells. It helps us kill Blood Baron and anything with hexproof. It's a bit of a non-bo with Indulgent Tormentor, but not enough to make it not an include.
Doom Blade: A two mana kill spell. Self Explanatory.
Ultimate Price: Same as above.
Sign in Blood: This card is amazingly good. It draws us into more discard, and makes sure we have a hand full of options against our opponent's dwindling resources.
Mind Rot: Two cards for three mana. Not the best deal, but I wanted another discard spell and figured it was worth a space.
Whip of Erebos: The 'ole whip. Works pretty nicely with most of our creatures, and can give us some life boosting. If it turns into a real war of attrition, the Whip can help us win it.
The Creatures
Brain Maggot: Any card in their hand for two mana. Of course, Brain Maggot needs to stay alive, but if they need to burn removal on this guy, they're probably not in a great position.
Disciple of Phenax: The most interesting thing about him is he can hit land. That's pretty awesome, honestly, but maybe a bit too late at a four drop. It'll probably gut the rest of their hand, though.
Liliana's Reaver: A deathtouch 4/3 that makes its own army. This card is surprisingly decent. Making your opponent discard at that point probably won't mean much, but it's nice to have a constant source of discard (provided it can hit each turn.)
Gray Merchant of Asphodel: A powerful card for mono black. Gray Merchant can swing games pretty easily. I don't think I really need to go into how good it is.
Indulgent Tormentor: Usually, I'd say he's not great for standard, even in a budget deck, but protected by plenty of discard, I think the Tormentor is just the wincon we need. If we can keep their creature count down, they'll have to either be taking 8 each turn or letting us draw. If not, we can take out creatures.
Other Cards
Encroaching Wastes: I wanted a pair in the deck to shut down Nykthos. After that, it's not really that good, but it can also sometimes hit important nonbasics. I think it's fine as a two-of.
Nonbudget Options
Thoughtseize is the first card to consider of course. Desecration Demon is actually surprisingly budget nowadays, so you could replace the Reaver with him if you want. You could also try Liliana Vess. I don't think Waste Not is that good in this deck, but props to you if you want to try it. Finally, Hero's Downfall is a much more reliable way to keep Planeswalkers off the field.
*** THE DECKLIST ***
4x Brain Maggot
2x Disciple of Phenax
4x Gray Merchant of Asphodel
3x Indulgent Tormentor
3x Liliana's Reaver
3x Devour Flesh
4x Doom Blade
3x Ultimate Price
Sorcery (9)
4x Duress
2x Mind Rot
3x Sign in Blood
1x Whip of Erebos
Land (24)
2x Encroaching Wastes
22x Swamp
TIMESTAMP: 7/27/14 @ 2:56 AM
CURVE (0-1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6+): 4 / 17 / 2 / 6 / 7 / 0
AVERAGE CMC: 2.86
TYPE: BDC10 ($10.00 LIMIT)
CURRENT COST: $6.67
REMAINING BUDGET: $3.33
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This deck came about because I pulled a Silent Sentinel and decided it deserved a fate better than being stuck in my binder of all eternity. After collaborating with Chowdahrogansorah, we managed to come up with a budget deck that makes use of this junk rare as well as a few of his fellow archons. The name is a clever Doctor Who reference, but could also apply to both the fact that we're playing Silent Sentinel, as well as the deck's more lockdown components.
3x Hopeful Eidolon
3x Omenspeaker
3x Lyev Skyknight
2x Thassa's Emissary
3x Silent Sentinel
1x Celestial Archon
1x Archon of the Triumvirate
2x Dissolve
Noncreature Enchantments (17)
3x Soul Tithe
2x Ordeal of Thassa
3x Ordeal of Heliod
2x Detention Sphere
3x Arrest
1x Bident of Thassa
3x Sphere of Safety
4x Azorius Guildgate
14x Plains
7x Island
CURVE (0-1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6+): 3 / 11 / 10 / 3 / 4 / 4
AVERAGE CMC: 3.29
TYPE: BDC10 ($10.00 LIMIT)
CURRENT COST: $6.50
REMAINING BUDGET: $3.50
The main non-budget inclusions would definitely be more detention spheres, and Supreme Verdict. The one thing this deck could benefit from is a way to sacrifice enchantments, so as to reuse detention spheres and arrests with Silent Sentinel, but sadly, we don't have a sac outlet for enchantments in standard.
If you're looking to sideboard for this deck, I recommend including some cards to deal with aggro, such as Azorius Charm, or Aetherize. Some other sideboard cards to consider include more counterspells like Gainsay or Negate, Glare of Heresy, and Pithing Needle. No sideboard is included here as I'm of the belief that you should tailor your sideboard based on your own personal meta, and also it might push the budget over.
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What we really need is Mist Raven back.
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I really like this deck. If I was looking to update this with Theros or Born of the Gods cards, what would you recommend?
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