MTG Salvation

Naka deserves the ban he got and he can go play mafia else where if he needs to scratch that it.

I thought Burst was a swell guy.

I don't understand why Drey thought that spamming would take the night kill away from the mafia. It seemed to me that he was just trying to get the game to end without hammering himself.


Anywho, spamming is playstyle and moderation issue, not a Mafia one.

but yeah: breaking rules JUST to win is unsportsmanlike and should be punishable.

Quote from Tanarin

I think Void's point comes from the just completed Stuff I Like Mafia. The incident in question was Void brought up the case of a player posting in other games but not in this particular game. So to further redefine his question:

Is it OK to say a player is posting in other games but not in the game you are currently in?

My personal view is that is OK, because quite a few players only post in the mafia subforum, and they HAVE used players posting in other forums against players. If you can't bring up the fact that they (Players who only post in Mafia) are posting elsewhere, it puts them at an advantage IMO.

This just reeks of the Out of game elements debate that we had about Artifice's actions early.

No it's never okay to talk about ongoing games.

Quote from Iso

@Yanni: I moved all of the old sign-up threads to the Old-Sign Up Threads area, tagged all of the old games with the game prefixes, and deleted threads like "ong how do i paly mafeuh??//?/". Glad you're paying attention.

@Reya: If someone wants to compile the statistics and keep it current, I could slap it in a post somewhere.

Thanks, that does make the subforum look nicer.

but keep the threads the way they are

Quote from Iso

Do you disagree with everything I've done so far to this point?

I am not really that aware of what you've done recently.

Quote from Wheat_Grinder

Sometime the majority isn't vocal.

For what it's worth I'm against merging threads.

Basically this.
You seem to just be going "okay can do" whenever someone comes into the thread and is like "I don't like the way the mafia sub looks :mad:"
Maybe it's time for a subforum wide poll about different cleanup things.
I, for one, am against merging threads and the continuing of fixing things that are not broken.

Some people feel we don't need to fix things that aren't broken.
Why do you bend to one groups' will but not the other?

Quote from Shalako

Is it really? I thought there was a significant amount of lenience there. I'm fairly sure that Members who have done it are still playing today.

I PM quoted and I'm still here, but it was also my first game and I was ignorant.

The way in which artifice quoted his role pm he should have been put on instant probation with a review for banning

If you're so self aware that you see everyone who is telling you what they are observing and you view those constructive criticisms as "bashes" then it just proves Kpaca's point more that you haven't changed and you should remain on probation.

Quote from Dragonheart91

How do you not understand that it's a matter of pride? It's embarrassing to be on that list regardless of whether it stops him joining games. It has nothing to do with reoffending. I feel like Artifice's punishment has probably been just, but his treatment during it has not. This is just rude.

How is it more embarrassing if he's on the probation list or if he's off of it? Everyone knows what Artifice did and it is easily searchable in this thread. If he feels more proud for not being on the probation list, he's diluting himself because everyone either knows or can know what he did.

Quote from Cyouni

The thing's that I see language saying that he's repenting for his behaviour and language saying that it was a mistake born of ignorance. If I felt it was sincere, I'd be the first to petition that probation be lifted. Yet I can't. You can't apologize for your behaviour yet maintain that you did nothing wrong. It's like the phrase "If I offended you, then I'm sorry."

I feel that this is reinforced by what he said at the end of Legend of Aang Mafia. Simply put, he argued that if he wasn't on probation, he'd have been perfectly willing to bring outside elements into it. That phrase, to me, symbolized the whole issue of it. He doesn't see anything wrong with what he did - he's simply responding to others' reactions. Putting it another way, he's not sorry for his behaviour, he's sorry for the fact that there were hostile reactions to it.

Echo this. Cyou, as usual, has hit the nail on the head.

I don't like it. Fixing something that wasn't broken seems pointless.

The problem with Hosts saying "Nope, not letting Person X into my game" is we're violating the "be polite" aspect of this sub. Some mods may not want to be rude to players and would rather just random them out.

re: Shame Posts
As long as full context is placed along with the post, this seems reasonable.
re: AI shame posts
see above.
re: Poggy
Poggy hit the nail on the head. Some post may get the super badge of shame, but that player may view the post as hilarious and be proud of the fact that they're humor will be saved forever.
It could potentially backfire, but it also seems like it would be worth a try.
edit:
ZDS has a good point. We don't need extraneous systems when mods should just be encouraged to force replace problematic players.
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re: Artifice
the new "Thank you for this post system" is a valuable addition to the council thread and other non game mafia threads because we now won't have a bunch of people who post "yup, barn this." which creates unneeded clutter in said threads.

Can people please stop coming to the council every time someone stubs their toe on a door? When issues come up to the council, can people leave the handbags at the door so we don't have to read that bs? I don't see a great reason to ban thank you posts until it becomes a serious problem. If we get fights that say go something like this "ZOMG person X thanked person Y's post they must be scum!" or another person saying "ZOMG I didn't thank person Y I'm not scum!"
We're all mature enough to stop this form happening, so I don't see a need for a preventative ban.

I find it very interesting that Tordeck was all fired up about Zionite's concerns with Artifice being wrong, but he makes a very bad modkill and does it way worse for even less of a reason than Zionite, but remains to defend himself.
Hypocrite.