0:08:55 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 24 (Yasuragi)
0:08:55 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:08:55 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:08:56 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:08:56 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:09:01 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:09:04 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi draws a card
0:09:04 [Yasuragi] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:09:11 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Mountain
0:09:11 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Twilight Mire 0:09:12 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Incinerate from Hand
0:09:18 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Response?
0:09:18 [Ytsejam] Ytsejam's life total is now 16 (-3) 0:09:21 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ah ah
0:09:26 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> redirect to ajani
0:09:40 [Ytsejam] <Ytsejam> with direct damage you have to redirect upon casting
0:09:43 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
0:05:02 [Player] It is now turn 9 (Player)
0:05:02 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:03 [Player] Player untaps his/her permanents
0:05:04 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:05:04 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:05 [Player] Player draws a card
0:05:05 [Player] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:09 [Player] Player plays Reflecting Pool from Hand 0:05:15 [Player] Player plays Cloudgoat Ranger from Hand
0:05:16 [Player] <Player> End my turn
0:05:20 [Player] Player taps Windbrisk Heights
0:05:24 [Player] Player taps Mutavault
0:05:24 [Player] Player taps Arcane Sanctum
0:05:24 [Player] Player taps Windbrisk Heights
0:05:24 [Player] Player taps Reflecting Pool
0:05:31 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 10 (Yasuragi)
0:05:31 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:32 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:05:32 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:05:33 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step 0:05:34 [Player] Player puts a 1/1 kithkin token into play
0:05:35 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi draws a card
0:05:35 [Yasuragi] It is now the Precombat Main Phase 0:05:39 [Player] Player duplicates kithkin
0:05:42 [Player] Player duplicates kithkin
0:05:49 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest
0:05:50 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Birds of Paradise from Hand
0:06:06 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:06:07 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:06:07 [Player] Player is peeking at his/her facedown card.
0:06:09 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Qasali Pridemage
0:06:09 [Player] Yasuragi taps Qasali Pridemage
0:06:10 [Yasuragi] Qasali Pridemage is now 3/3
0:06:16 [Player] Player's life total is now 13 (-3)
0:06:17 [Yasuragi] It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
0:06:21 [Yasuragi] Qasali Pridemage is now 2/2
0:06:22 [Yasuragi] It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
0:06:23 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> End my turn
0:06:25 [Player] It is now turn 11 (Player)
0:06:25 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:06:25 [Player] Player untaps his/her permanents
0:06:26 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:06:26 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:06:26 [Player] Player draws a card
0:06:26 [Player] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:06:30 [Player] Player plays Reflecting Pool from Hand 0:06:32 [Player] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:06:32 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> beginning of combat
0:06:35 [Player] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:06:37 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Brushland
0:06:37 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Fire-Lit Thicket
0:06:37 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Plains
0:06:39 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi's life total is now 14 (-1)
0:06:40 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Naya Charm from Hand (he has two Windbrisk Heights in play, I really don't want him to activate both at once)
0:06:44 [Player] <Player> nooob
0:06:44 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> tap all
0:06:45 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
On the other hand, you owe it to yourself to learn what can and can't be countered before building a deck with rune snag in it.
One time I tried to Mana Leak a Dark Ritual. It turned out better than expected, as the other guy explained how it couldn't be countered but then ended and took 3 burn (rather than playing something he knew I would mana leak. This was a while ago, and happened in real life as opposed to MWS so I don't have a log for it.
You can Mana Leak a Dark Ritual, unless this happened so long ago that you were playing with pre-sixth edition rules.
Yeah, but the reasoning behind the "K" and other random hybrid letters is just strange. MWS had a perfectly acceptable system - (R/G), etc. - in place already. This Master Base update is doing nothing more than confusing people. It essentially means that you need to use GoblinHero's version to interact with another player playing Shadowmoor (unless you already have pics). I would bet money that the MWSData version won't use strange letters (which I am grateful for, I prefer theirs).
<-------- New Game Started -------->
Yasuragi's Security Code: 185C3E2D [Type 2]
Gmoney's Security Code: 3AD27CC9 [Type 2]
It is now turn 1 (Gmoney)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Yasuragi> Greetings
Yasuragi rolled a 7, using a 20 sided die
Yasuragi shuffles library
Gmoney rolled a 14, using a 20 sided die
Yasuragi shuffles library
<Gmoney> pl
Yasuragi shuffles library
<Yasuragi> Ok
Yasuragi draws 7 cards
Gmoney draws 7 cards
Gmoney takes a mulligan
<Gmoney> kp
<Yasuragi> Keep
It is now the Precombat Main Phase Gmoney plays Sacred Foundry from Hand
<Gmoney> End my turn
<Yasuragi> ?
<System> Player Lost
<Yasuragi> T2...
0:07:25 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:07:26 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:07:29 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Essence Warden (2/2 due to Elvish Champion)
0:07:29 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Essence Warden (2/2 due to Elvish Champion)
0:07:29 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Llanowar Elves (2/2 due to Elvish Champion)
0:07:31 [Me] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step (He blocks an Essence Warden with Swans of Bryn Argoll)
0:07:37 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Ok
0:07:41 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Combat Damage Step 0:07:44 [Me] <Me> Wait
0:07:47 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step 0:07:50 [Me] <Me> effects in blockers step
0:07:54 [Me] <Me> prevent it
0:08:07 [Me] Me draws a card 0:08:10 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> prevent what? the damage to Swans?
0:08:12 [Me] <Me> draw one
0:08:16 [Me] <Me> dredge on the second draw
0:08:20 [Me] Me draws a card
0:08:23 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ?
0:08:25 [Me] Me puts Abundance to Graveyard from Library
0:08:26 [Me] Me puts Vivid Meadow to Graveyard from Library
0:08:29 [Me] Me puts Dakmor Salvage into play from Graveyard
0:08:30 [Me] Me puts Dakmor Salvage to Hand from Play 0:08:35 [Me] <Me> Get it? 0:08:48 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Why did you draw cards?
0:08:54 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> You didn't deal damage to it
0:09:06 [Me] <Me> Ok wrong phase
0:09:17 [Me] It is now the Combat Phase, Combat Damage Step
0:09:21 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> My creature, my prevented damage, my cards
0:09:21 [Me] <Me> There in this phase
0:09:26 [Me] <Me> No
0:09:36 [Me] <Me> Read
0:09:37 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> "The source's controller"
0:09:42 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> My creature
0:09:45 [Me] <Me> Bah
0:09:46 [Me] <Me> ok
0:09:46 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> I am the controller
0:09:49 [Me] <Me> so i played wrong
0:09:52 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> No ****
0:09:57 [Me] <Me> Yanyway
0:09:59 [Me] <Me> Im tired
0:10:02 [Me] <Me> and going to sleep
0:10:03 [Me] <Me> sorry
0:10:06 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
0:04:21 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 10 (Yasuragi)
0:04:21 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:04:22 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:04:22 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:04:23 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:04:24 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi draws a card
0:04:25 [Yasuragi] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:04:27 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Forest from Hand
0:04:47 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:47 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:47 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:48 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:48 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:48 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:48 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:48 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:05:01 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> You joined my game, so deal with it or leave
0:05:06 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
0:10:12 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:10:12 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step 0:10:13 [Impala] Impala taps Tattermunge Maniac
0:10:17 [Impala] Impala taps Taurean Mauler (Equipped with Obsidian Battle Axe)
0:10:27 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Thinking...
0:10:36 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
0:10:37 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step 0:10:39 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Llanowar Wastes
0:10:39 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest (To pay for Treetop Village, and block the Mauler. I also blocked the Maniac with a creature (don't remember what it was). I used yellow blocking arrows.)
0:10:44 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step 0:11:02 [Impala] <Impala> ???????
0:11:13 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ? what
0:11:28 [Impala] <Impala> treetop block?
0:11:39 [Impala] <Impala> one or other
0:11:43 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ?
0:11:55 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> I paid two mana to make him a creature
0:11:59 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> and he blocks
0:12:04 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> what is so hard about that
0:12:16 [Impala] <Impala> a only one creature
0:12:19 [Impala] <Impala> no two
0:12:24 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ?
0:12:34 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:12:35 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
0:12:36 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Combat Damage Step
0:12:36 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:12:37 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:12:38 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step 0:12:47 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> see how there are two yellow arrows
0:12:54 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Those are for "blocking" (He apparently got it, because we were able to move on.)
0:10:51 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 22 (Yasuragi)
0:10:51 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:10:52 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:10:52 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step 0:10:52 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Snow-Covered Forest into play from Library
0:10:53 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Yavimaya Dryad into play from Library
0:10:54 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Snow-Covered Forest into play from Library
0:10:55 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Yavimaya Dryad into play from Library
0:10:56 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Snow-Covered Forest into play from Library
0:10:56 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Harmonize into play from Library
0:10:57 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Deus of Calamity into play from Library
0:10:58 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Snow-Covered Forest into play from Library
0:10:59 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Rampant Growth into play from Library
0:11:02 [mullpenis] <mullpenis> would take too long
0:11:05 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
0:11:05 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> wtf?
0:11:14 [<System>] <System> Session Lost
0:11:14 [<System>] <System> Disconnected
. . . GAME 1
. . .
0:05:29 [Sorrow's Path] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step 0:05:43 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Birds of Paradise
0:05:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Faerie
0:05:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Oversoul of Dusk
0:05:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Faerie
0:05:46 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step (I block Oversoul with my Llanowar Elves)
0:05:56 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Murmuring Bosk
0:05:57 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Llanowar Wastes
0:05:57 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Horizon Canopy
0:05:57 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Gemstone Mine
0:06:01 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path untaps Gemstone Mine
0:06:02 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Gilt-Leaf Palace
0:06:07 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 11 (-2) 0:06:08 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Mirrorweave from Hand
0:06:12 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Mirrorweave to Graveyard from Play (targeting Oversoul of Dusk)
0:06:13 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> lol you can't
0:06:19 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> take 15
0:06:22 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> why
0:06:22 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Pro blue
0:06:25 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> oh
0:06:27 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> lol
. . .
. . . 0:07:37 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> im awful :\
. . .
. . .
0:09:12 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Gilt-Leaf Palace
0:09:14 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Murmuring Bosk 0:09:15 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Nameless Inversion from Hand
0:09:16 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Nameless Inversion to Graveyard from Play 0:09:17 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi puts Imperious Perfect to Graveyard from Play
0:09:19 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Forest from Hand
0:09:20 [Yasuragi] It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
0:09:22 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> End my turn
0:09:23 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path draws a card
0:09:25 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path duplicates Faerie
0:09:27 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 15 (Sorrow's Path)
0:09:27 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:09:29 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 9 (-1)
0:09:31 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path untaps his/her permanents 0:09:40 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> oh you get a token (I have Prowess of the Fair)
0:09:43 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> nope
0:09:49 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> loses creature types
0:09:52 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> oh
0:09:55 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> man I'm horrid . . .
. . . 0:10:12 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> I don't know what most of this stuff does . . . GAME 2
. . . 0:00:43 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Urborg from Hand
0:00:45 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Treetop Village
0:00:45 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Urborg
0:00:46 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Bitterblossom from Hand
0:00:47 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> End my turn 0:01:01 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Ummm....
0:01:08 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> that land isn't legal in T2
0:01:17 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> It's like 12 years old
0:01:19 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> oh
0:01:24 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> other urborg!
0:01:34 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> You meant to put in Urborg, TOMB OF YAWGMOTH
0:01:37 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> yea
0:01:40 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> lol
0:01:46 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ok ok
0:01:50 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> fine
. . .
. . . 0:03:20 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Treetop Village
0:03:21 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Wooded Bastion (Two Green Mana)
0:03:22 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Llanowar Elves from Hand
0:03:22 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Timbermare from Hand 0:03:27 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> End my turn
0:03:46 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Timbermare to Hand from Play (Just as I got done typing "Are you going to pay for Timbermare?")
0:03:47 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Llanowar Elves from Hand 0:03:50 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ty
. . . GAME 3
. . . 0:00:23 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> despite the fact that I'm playing like ****
0:00:39 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> my rating is actually 1908 and I've won quite a few ptqs
. . .
. . .
0:05:03 [Yasuragi] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:05 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest
0:05:05 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest
0:05:06 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Llanowar Wastes 0:05:07 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Elvish Champion from Hand
0:05:11 [Yasuragi] Llanowar Elves is now 2/2
0:05:11 [Yasuragi] Wren's Run Vanquisher is now 4/4
0:05:11 [Yasuragi] Safehold Elite is now 2/2
0:05:11 [Yasuragi] Elvish Harbinger is now 2/3
0:05:20 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:05:22 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:05:23 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Llanowar Elves
0:05:23 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Wren's Run Vanquisher
0:05:23 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Safehold Elite
0:05:23 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Elvish Harbinger
0:05:29 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Gilt-Leaf Palace
0:05:30 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Horizon Canopy
0:05:30 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Bitterblossom
0:05:30 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Treetop Village
0:05:30 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Murmuring Bosk
0:05:31 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path untaps Bitterblossom 0:05:32 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Mirrorweave from Hand (Targeting my Wren's Run Vanquisher, making my attack 12 damage) 0:05:44 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Ok
0:05:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Mirrorweave to Graveyard from Play
0:05:46 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> gg (His life total is 11) 0:05:49 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> block all
0:05:54 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> forest walk
0:05:59 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> no tard
0:06:07 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> the champion is a vanquisher (Totally my fault here, wasn't thinking)
0:06:13 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Mirrorweave into play from Graveyard 0:06:14 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> AH nm
0:06:17 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Mirrorweave to Graveyard from Play 0:06:20 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> and don't call tard
0:06:22 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path sacrifices Faerie
0:06:23 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path sacrifices Llanowar Elves
0:06:23 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path sacrifices Faerie
0:06:23 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path sacrifices Faerie 0:06:36 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> its offensive and you havent exactly shown yourself to be top notch . . .
. . .
0:06:52 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> saying gg there was also offensive
0:06:53 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path untaps his/her permanents 0:07:03 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ?
0:07:08 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts a 1/1 Faerie token into play
0:07:09 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 10 (-1)
0:07:10 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path draws a card
0:07:23 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Gilt-Leaf Palace
0:07:24 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Thoughtseize from Hand
0:07:26 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Thoughtseize to Graveyard from Play
0:07:27 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 8 (-2)
0:07:35 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> hand? 0:07:35 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Yeah, making fun of people using slurs for the mentally handicapped is exactly the same as saying gg
. . .
. . .
0:08:24 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step 0:08:25 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Elvish Champion
0:08:37 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 5 (-3)
0:08:39 [Yasuragi] It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step 0:08:40 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 8 (+3)
0:08:41 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> End my turn 0:08:43 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path draws a card
0:08:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path draws a card
0:08:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path draws a card
0:08:45 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ?
0:08:46 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> yea
0:08:47 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> I'm dead
0:08:48 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> gg
0:08:52 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> I take offense
0:08:55 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi>
0:08:58 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
0:08:59 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> gg
0:09:03 [<System>] <System> Session Lost
0:09:03 [<System>] <System> Disconnected
Pre-Urza's Saga, trample worked significantly differently than it does now. When a creature with trample was blocked by more than one creature, it only had to destroy one of those creatures before it's trample damage could "blow through" to the defending player. For example, you block a 3/3 trampler with three 1/1s. I assign all three damage to one of those creatures, then when the creature is destroyed, the remaining two damage is redirected to you. Because this waws a redirection effect, this created an very odd interaction with Furnace of Rath. You attack with a 3/3 trampler and I block with a 1/1. Instead of taking 2 trample damage, the trampler deals 3 damage to my 1/1, doubled to 6. Then when the 1/1 dies, the remaining 5 damage is redirected to me, doubling again to 10! I might as well have not blocked in the first place!
Maybe trample did work that way back in the day (I wasn't playing then), but by his own admission he was still playing 4-5 years ago. By that point, Urza's Block had been out for 5-6 years, and if the change happened with Urza's Block, then he should have known better.
BTW, do you have any articles or links that talk about the strange ways that rules worked back in the day? I can never find anything that talks about it (like it's a dirty secret that no one will admit to).
95% of the time that it's a genuine disconnect, it's because of an error caused by the first card being played, I have yet to figure out what it is, but it happens to me, and mostly to my opponents. First card goes down, I hear the noise the card makes as it's played, then there an error whenever I touch anything.
So if I had to guess, the opponent played a card before rolling, and it just happened to crash his games
I have to disagree with that statement, because it has been my experience that no one needs to play any cards before the crash. I know that my end has crashed numerous times before I have even drawn a card, and the same can be said for my opponents. I have spoken to a few people over the years that I have played multiple times, and they have confirmed that no action other than rolls and chat had been performed on their end. Yes, sometimes the game does crash when the first card is laid, but most of the time it is just plain bugs in the system, in my experience.
Of course, then there are the sore losers:
0:00:00 [Yasuragi] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi's Security Code: 1E1C8D49 [Extended]
0:00:00 [Yasuragi] A-L-E-X's Security Code: 9F232E28 [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 1 (A-L-E-X)
0:00:00 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:01 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X shuffles library 0:00:02 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Greetings
0:00:02 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Here are the rules:
1) Know the rules of the game.
2) Know how to use MWS Play.
3) This is a best 2 out of 3 game.
4) I will sideboard between matches.
5) If you feel you cannot handle rules #1-4, you might as well leave now. I have been putting these up at the beginning of all my games on MWS. It is surprising how often people actually are saying that they won't finish a 2/3 game, or refuse sideboards, and will leave before wasting our time.
0:00:03 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X shuffles library
0:00:04 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi rolled a 2, using a 20 sided die
0:00:06 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X shuffles library
0:00:07 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi shuffles library
0:00:08 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X shuffles library
0:00:08 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi shuffles library
0:00:09 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi shuffles library
0:00:15 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X rolled a 4, using a 20 sided die
0:00:16 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> ill p
0:00:18 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Ok
0:00:20 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi draws 7 cards
0:00:20 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X draws 7 cards
0:00:23 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X rearranges cards in A-L-E-X's Hand
0:00:27 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> kp
0:00:28 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Keep
. . .
My turn seven. Life totals are Yasuragi: 3, A-L-E-X: 11. He has one untapped creature, three tapped creatures, no cards in hand, and no lands untapped. I have six forests, one Llanowar Elves, one Wren's Run Packmaster equipped with Obsidian Battle- Axe, and one Wolf token in play, with two forests in hand.
. . .
0:15:35 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 14 (Yasuragi)
0:15:35 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:15:36 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:15:37 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:15:37 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:15:38 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi draws a card
0:15:39 [Yasuragi] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:15:41 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Forest from Hand
0:15:57 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Thinking...
0:16:04 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> u think
0:16:28 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest
0:16:28 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest
0:16:29 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Elvish Warrior from Hand
0:16:37 [Yasuragi] Wren's Run Packmaster is now 6/5
0:16:37 [Yasuragi] Wren's Run Packmaster is now 5/5
0:16:41 [Yasuragi] Elvish Warrior is now 3/4
0:16:41 [Yasuragi] Elvish Warrior is now 4/4 0:16:48 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> before u attack
0:16:53 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> i have something to say
0:16:57 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> i feel i cant handle the rules
0:16:59 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> yes
0:17:02 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> so bye bye
0:17:03 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
Normally I am suspicious of any <System> Player Lost messages, but I have seen this happen before, both to my opponent and to myself. If there is a connection error, access violation error, etc. at the beginning of the game, it can sometime appear that the other person is still there for a while. Other people have thought that I was still around when I wasn't, and I have thought the same of opponents. I only discovered
this after talking with some of the other frequent users.
When asking "is something true" for a split card, the answer is yes if any of the answers are yes. So when determining if you win the clash, you ask "Is 5 > 5? No. Is 5 > 2? Yes. Is 2 > 2? No. Is 2 > 5? No." Since there was one yes, the answer is yes. This comes out to be: My card has a higher CMC than your card. My card has the same CMC as your card. My card has a lower CMC than your card. Your card has a higher CMC than my card. Your card has the same CMC as my card. Your card has a lower CMC than my card. -- Since we both have a higher CMC than the other guy, we both win the clash.
Perhaps the wrong place for this discussion, but it is relevant.
Anyways, aren't the following statements equal?
My card has a higher CMC than your card. :: Your card has a lower CMC than my card.
My card has the same CMC as your card. :: Your card has the same CMC as my card.
My card has a lower CMC than your card. :: Your card has a higher CMC than my card.
Does the wording of the outcome affect who wins the clash? I didn't think so, but I can always be wrong. Could you boil it down to three statements?
My card has a higher CMC than your card.
Our cards have the same CMC.
Your card has a higher CMC than my card.
Thank you for pointing that out Sutherlands. I was getting ready to look for the rulings on that in a minute, but I think we can safely assume your word is good enough.
<Player> Bog Hoodlums
<Kenaron> Wow, I can't believe someone uses that card.
Player reveals Beseech the Queen from library
Kenaron reveals Beseech the Queen from library
Player puts a +1/+1 counter on Bog Hoodlums.
<Kenaron> Uh, WTF?
<Player> I have six, you have 3.
<Kenaron> It's the same card, we tie.
<Player> N00b
System: Player lost.
Isn't that an inherent problem with clash anyways? It seems that "Player" would do the same thing for any two identical cards.
And I believe (speculation) that Beseech The Queen's CMC will be 6, 5, 4, and 3, similar to split cards, but on steroids.
By that logic, couldn't you pay 2 for Dimir Guildmage? I mean, you can pay (U/B) with U or B, but it doesn't say you can't also pay R or 1. Well nobody ever said there was a shortage of idiots on MWS.
Actually, yes you could by that logic. The problem is that many people playing on MWS (and quite a few in real life, too) do not utilize English as a native tongue. So all they have to go on is what they have learned so far, and the subtleties of "You can..." are not often understood until after many years of use.
Take small children, for example. Psychologists say that we learn more effectively and more efficiently at the beginning of our lives. But I have seen and heard of many children who do not understand that when a parent says "You can do [x] or [y]," it precludes the alternatives of [a], [b], [c], etc. This can be seen even up until adolescence, and many people learning English later in life have been speaking it for far less time than a 10-12 year old.
EDIT: Just to make it clear, I am talking about children who have actually said "Well, you didn't say that I couldn't do that." And while many people are consciously twisting words when they say this, many children truly do not understand that they were not allowed any other options based on the adult's statement.
The Legend [PT] untaps Phyrexian Ironfoot
The Legend [PT] taps Phyrexian Ironfoot
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
<John Jones> need snow mana
<The Legend [PT]> no
<The Legend [PT]> "can be"
<John Jones> no it needs to be
<The Legend [PT]> no
<The Legend [PT]> "can be"
<The Legend [PT]> can or not
<The Legend [PT]>
<John Jones> 1 sec
<The Legend [PT]> go on
<The Legend [PT]> oSi can be paid with one mana from a snow permanent.)
<John Jones> yeah
<John Jones> so you need snow mana
<The Legend [PT]> no
<John Jones> Yes
<The Legend [PT]> CAN BE
<John Jones> okiya
<The Legend [PT]> PAID
<John Jones> w/e im not arguing
<John Jones> you got it]
While you are correct, the English explanation of snow mana is grammatically vague. It should say "...can only be paid with..." to be grammatically correct, and I can see how some people can find that confusing.
In the future, perhaps the Coldsnap FAQ would be better to quote from. Although who knows why they made it clearer in the FAQ than in the rules...
Quote from Coldsnap FAQ »
* {S} in a cost represents a single generic mana, similar to the symbol {1} in a cost. It can be paid with one mana of any color, or one colorless mana, as long as that mana was produced by a snow permanent. For example, {S} can be paid with one mana produced by Snow-Covered Swamp or Boreal Druid, among others. It can't be paid with mana produced by the nonsnow permanents Swamp or Llanowar Elves.
0:08:55 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:08:55 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:08:56 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:08:56 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:09:01 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:09:04 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi draws a card
0:09:04 [Yasuragi] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:09:11 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Mountain
0:09:11 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Twilight Mire
0:09:12 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Incinerate from Hand
0:09:18 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Response?
0:09:18 [Ytsejam] Ytsejam's life total is now 16 (-3)
0:09:21 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ah ah
0:09:26 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> redirect to ajani
0:09:40 [Ytsejam] <Ytsejam> with direct damage you have to redirect upon casting
0:09:43 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
0:05:02 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:03 [Player] Player untaps his/her permanents
0:05:04 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:05:04 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:05 [Player] Player draws a card
0:05:05 [Player] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:09 [Player] Player plays Reflecting Pool from Hand
0:05:15 [Player] Player plays Cloudgoat Ranger from Hand
0:05:16 [Player] <Player> End my turn
0:05:20 [Player] Player taps Windbrisk Heights
0:05:24 [Player] Player taps Mutavault
0:05:24 [Player] Player taps Arcane Sanctum
0:05:24 [Player] Player taps Windbrisk Heights
0:05:24 [Player] Player taps Reflecting Pool
0:05:31 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 10 (Yasuragi)
0:05:31 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:32 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:05:32 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:05:33 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:34 [Player] Player puts a 1/1 kithkin token into play
0:05:35 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi draws a card
0:05:35 [Yasuragi] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:39 [Player] Player duplicates kithkin
0:05:42 [Player] Player duplicates kithkin
0:05:49 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest
0:05:50 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Birds of Paradise from Hand
0:06:06 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:06:07 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:06:07 [Player] Player is peeking at his/her facedown card.
0:06:09 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Qasali Pridemage
0:06:09 [Player] Yasuragi taps Qasali Pridemage
0:06:10 [Yasuragi] Qasali Pridemage is now 3/3
0:06:16 [Player] Player's life total is now 13 (-3)
0:06:17 [Yasuragi] It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
0:06:21 [Yasuragi] Qasali Pridemage is now 2/2
0:06:22 [Yasuragi] It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
0:06:23 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> End my turn
0:06:25 [Player] It is now turn 11 (Player)
0:06:25 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:06:25 [Player] Player untaps his/her permanents
0:06:26 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:06:26 [Player] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:06:26 [Player] Player draws a card
0:06:26 [Player] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:06:30 [Player] Player plays Reflecting Pool from Hand
0:06:32 [Player] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:06:32 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> beginning of combat
0:06:35 [Player] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:06:37 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Brushland
0:06:37 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Fire-Lit Thicket
0:06:37 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Plains
0:06:39 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi's life total is now 14 (-1)
0:06:40 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Naya Charm from Hand (he has two Windbrisk Heights in play, I really don't want him to activate both at once)
0:06:44 [Player] <Player> nooob
0:06:44 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> tap all
0:06:45 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
You can Mana Leak a Dark Ritual, unless this happened so long ago that you were playing with pre-sixth edition rules.
:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
Really? Perhaps you could enlighten us as to which B/R list you are using then?
VIntage and Online Classic are the only formats where Skullclamp is not banned.
:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
Yasuragi's Security Code: 185C3E2D [Type 2]
Gmoney's Security Code: 3AD27CC9 [Type 2]
It is now turn 1 (Gmoney)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Yasuragi> Greetings
Yasuragi rolled a 7, using a 20 sided die
Yasuragi shuffles library
Gmoney rolled a 14, using a 20 sided die
Yasuragi shuffles library
<Gmoney> pl
Yasuragi shuffles library
<Yasuragi> Ok
Yasuragi draws 7 cards
Gmoney draws 7 cards
Gmoney takes a mulligan
<Gmoney> kp
<Yasuragi> Keep
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Gmoney plays Sacred Foundry from Hand
<Gmoney> End my turn
<Yasuragi> ?
<System> Player Lost
<Yasuragi> T2...
:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
0:07:26 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:07:29 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Essence Warden (2/2 due to Elvish Champion)
0:07:29 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Essence Warden (2/2 due to Elvish Champion)
0:07:29 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Llanowar Elves (2/2 due to Elvish Champion)
0:07:31 [Me] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step (He blocks an Essence Warden with Swans of Bryn Argoll)
0:07:37 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Ok
0:07:41 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Combat Damage Step
0:07:44 [Me] <Me> Wait
0:07:47 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
0:07:50 [Me] <Me> effects in blockers step
0:07:54 [Me] <Me> prevent it
0:08:07 [Me] Me draws a card
0:08:10 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> prevent what? the damage to Swans?
0:08:12 [Me] <Me> draw one
0:08:16 [Me] <Me> dredge on the second draw
0:08:20 [Me] Me draws a card
0:08:23 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ?
0:08:25 [Me] Me puts Abundance to Graveyard from Library
0:08:26 [Me] Me puts Vivid Meadow to Graveyard from Library
0:08:29 [Me] Me puts Dakmor Salvage into play from Graveyard
0:08:30 [Me] Me puts Dakmor Salvage to Hand from Play
0:08:35 [Me] <Me> Get it?
0:08:48 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Why did you draw cards?
0:08:54 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> You didn't deal damage to it
0:09:06 [Me] <Me> Ok wrong phase
0:09:17 [Me] It is now the Combat Phase, Combat Damage Step
0:09:21 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> My creature, my prevented damage, my cards
0:09:21 [Me] <Me> There in this phase
0:09:26 [Me] <Me> No
0:09:36 [Me] <Me> Read
0:09:37 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> "The source's controller"
0:09:42 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> My creature
0:09:45 [Me] <Me> Bah
0:09:46 [Me] <Me> ok
0:09:46 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> I am the controller
0:09:49 [Me] <Me> so i played wrong
0:09:52 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> No ****
0:09:57 [Me] <Me> Yanyway
0:09:59 [Me] <Me> Im tired
0:10:02 [Me] <Me> and going to sleep
0:10:03 [Me] <Me> sorry
0:10:06 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
0:04:21 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 10 (Yasuragi)
0:04:21 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:04:22 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:04:22 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:04:23 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:04:24 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi draws a card
0:04:25 [Yasuragi] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:04:27 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Forest from Hand
0:04:47 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:47 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:47 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:48 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:48 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:48 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:48 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:04:48 [Pestermite] <Pestermite> Play fast please
0:05:01 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> You joined my game, so deal with it or leave
0:05:06 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
0:10:12 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:10:12 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:10:13 [Impala] Impala taps Tattermunge Maniac
0:10:17 [Impala] Impala taps Taurean Mauler (Equipped with Obsidian Battle Axe)
0:10:27 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Thinking...
0:10:36 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
0:10:37 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:10:39 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Llanowar Wastes
0:10:39 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest (To pay for Treetop Village, and block the Mauler. I also blocked the Maniac with a creature (don't remember what it was). I used yellow blocking arrows.)
0:10:44 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
0:11:02 [Impala] <Impala> ???????
0:11:13 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ? what
0:11:28 [Impala] <Impala> treetop block?
0:11:39 [Impala] <Impala> one or other
0:11:43 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ?
0:11:55 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> I paid two mana to make him a creature
0:11:59 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> and he blocks
0:12:04 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> what is so hard about that
0:12:16 [Impala] <Impala> a only one creature
0:12:19 [Impala] <Impala> no two
0:12:24 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ?
0:12:34 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:12:35 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
0:12:36 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Combat Damage Step
0:12:36 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:12:37 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:12:38 [Impala] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
0:12:47 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> see how there are two yellow arrows
0:12:54 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Those are for "blocking" (He apparently got it, because we were able to move on.)
0:10:51 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 22 (Yasuragi)
0:10:51 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:10:52 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:10:52 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:10:52 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Snow-Covered Forest into play from Library
0:10:53 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Yavimaya Dryad into play from Library
0:10:54 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Snow-Covered Forest into play from Library
0:10:55 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Yavimaya Dryad into play from Library
0:10:56 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Snow-Covered Forest into play from Library
0:10:56 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Harmonize into play from Library
0:10:57 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Deus of Calamity into play from Library
0:10:58 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Snow-Covered Forest into play from Library
0:10:59 [mullpenis] mullpenis puts Rampant Growth into play from Library
0:11:02 [mullpenis] <mullpenis> would take too long
0:11:05 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
0:11:05 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> wtf?
0:11:14 [<System>] <System> Session Lost
0:11:14 [<System>] <System> Disconnected
. . .
GAME 1
. . .
0:05:29 [Sorrow's Path] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:05:43 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Birds of Paradise
0:05:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Faerie
0:05:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Oversoul of Dusk
0:05:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Faerie
0:05:46 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step (I block Oversoul with my Llanowar Elves)
0:05:56 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Murmuring Bosk
0:05:57 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Llanowar Wastes
0:05:57 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Horizon Canopy
0:05:57 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Gemstone Mine
0:06:01 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path untaps Gemstone Mine
0:06:02 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Gilt-Leaf Palace
0:06:07 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 11 (-2)
0:06:08 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Mirrorweave from Hand
0:06:12 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Mirrorweave to Graveyard from Play (targeting Oversoul of Dusk)
0:06:13 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> lol you can't
0:06:19 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> take 15
0:06:22 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> why
0:06:22 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Pro blue
0:06:25 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> oh
0:06:27 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> lol
. . .
. . .
0:07:37 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> im awful :\
. . .
. . .
0:09:12 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Gilt-Leaf Palace
0:09:14 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Murmuring Bosk
0:09:15 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Nameless Inversion from Hand
0:09:16 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Nameless Inversion to Graveyard from Play
0:09:17 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi puts Imperious Perfect to Graveyard from Play
0:09:19 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Forest from Hand
0:09:20 [Yasuragi] It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
0:09:22 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> End my turn
0:09:23 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path draws a card
0:09:25 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path duplicates Faerie
0:09:27 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 15 (Sorrow's Path)
0:09:27 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:09:29 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 9 (-1)
0:09:31 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path untaps his/her permanents
0:09:40 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> oh you get a token (I have Prowess of the Fair)
0:09:43 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> nope
0:09:49 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> loses creature types
0:09:52 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> oh
0:09:55 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> man I'm horrid
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0:10:12 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> I don't know what most of this stuff does
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GAME 2
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0:00:43 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Urborg from Hand
0:00:45 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Treetop Village
0:00:45 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Urborg
0:00:46 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Bitterblossom from Hand
0:00:47 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> End my turn
0:01:01 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Ummm....
0:01:08 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> that land isn't legal in T2
0:01:17 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> It's like 12 years old
0:01:19 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> oh
0:01:24 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> other urborg!
0:01:34 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> You meant to put in Urborg, TOMB OF YAWGMOTH
0:01:37 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> yea
0:01:40 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> lol
0:01:46 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ok ok
0:01:50 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> fine
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0:03:20 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Treetop Village
0:03:21 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Wooded Bastion (Two Green Mana)
0:03:22 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Llanowar Elves from Hand
0:03:22 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Timbermare from Hand
0:03:27 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> End my turn
0:03:46 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Timbermare to Hand from Play (Just as I got done typing "Are you going to pay for Timbermare?")
0:03:47 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Llanowar Elves from Hand
0:03:50 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ty
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GAME 3
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0:00:23 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> despite the fact that I'm playing like ****
0:00:39 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> my rating is actually 1908 and I've won quite a few ptqs
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0:05:03 [Yasuragi] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:05 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest
0:05:05 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest
0:05:06 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Llanowar Wastes
0:05:07 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Elvish Champion from Hand
0:05:11 [Yasuragi] Llanowar Elves is now 2/2
0:05:11 [Yasuragi] Wren's Run Vanquisher is now 4/4
0:05:11 [Yasuragi] Safehold Elite is now 2/2
0:05:11 [Yasuragi] Elvish Harbinger is now 2/3
0:05:20 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
0:05:22 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:05:23 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Llanowar Elves
0:05:23 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Wren's Run Vanquisher
0:05:23 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Safehold Elite
0:05:23 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Elvish Harbinger
0:05:29 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Gilt-Leaf Palace
0:05:30 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Horizon Canopy
0:05:30 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Bitterblossom
0:05:30 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Treetop Village
0:05:30 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Murmuring Bosk
0:05:31 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path untaps Bitterblossom
0:05:32 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Mirrorweave from Hand (Targeting my Wren's Run Vanquisher, making my attack 12 damage)
0:05:44 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Ok
0:05:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Mirrorweave to Graveyard from Play
0:05:46 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> gg (His life total is 11)
0:05:49 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> block all
0:05:54 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> forest walk
0:05:59 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> no tard
0:06:07 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> the champion is a vanquisher (Totally my fault here, wasn't thinking)
0:06:13 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Mirrorweave into play from Graveyard
0:06:14 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> AH nm
0:06:17 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Mirrorweave to Graveyard from Play
0:06:20 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> and don't call tard
0:06:22 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path sacrifices Faerie
0:06:23 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path sacrifices Llanowar Elves
0:06:23 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path sacrifices Faerie
0:06:23 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path sacrifices Faerie
0:06:36 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> its offensive and you havent exactly shown yourself to be top notch
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0:06:52 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> saying gg there was also offensive
0:06:53 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path untaps his/her permanents
0:07:03 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ?
0:07:08 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts a 1/1 Faerie token into play
0:07:09 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 10 (-1)
0:07:10 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path draws a card
0:07:23 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path taps Gilt-Leaf Palace
0:07:24 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path plays Thoughtseize from Hand
0:07:26 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path puts Thoughtseize to Graveyard from Play
0:07:27 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 8 (-2)
0:07:35 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> hand?
0:07:35 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Yeah, making fun of people using slurs for the mentally handicapped is exactly the same as saying gg
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0:08:24 [Yasuragi] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:08:25 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Elvish Champion
0:08:37 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 5 (-3)
0:08:39 [Yasuragi] It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
0:08:40 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path's life total is now 8 (+3)
0:08:41 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> End my turn
0:08:43 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path draws a card
0:08:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path draws a card
0:08:44 [Sorrow's Path] Sorrow's Path draws a card
0:08:45 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> ?
0:08:46 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> yea
0:08:47 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> I'm dead
0:08:48 [Sorrow's Path] <Sorrow's Path> gg
0:08:52 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> I take offense
0:08:55 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi>
0:08:58 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
0:08:59 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> gg
0:09:03 [<System>] <System> Session Lost
0:09:03 [<System>] <System> Disconnected
:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
Maybe trample did work that way back in the day (I wasn't playing then), but by his own admission he was still playing 4-5 years ago. By that point, Urza's Block had been out for 5-6 years, and if the change happened with Urza's Block, then he should have known better.
BTW, do you have any articles or links that talk about the strange ways that rules worked back in the day? I can never find anything that talks about it (like it's a dirty secret that no one will admit to).
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I have to disagree with that statement, because it has been my experience that no one needs to play any cards before the crash. I know that my end has crashed numerous times before I have even drawn a card, and the same can be said for my opponents. I have spoken to a few people over the years that I have played multiple times, and they have confirmed that no action other than rolls and chat had been performed on their end. Yes, sometimes the game does crash when the first card is laid, but most of the time it is just plain bugs in the system, in my experience.
Of course, then there are the sore losers:
0:00:00 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi's Security Code: 1E1C8D49 [Extended]
0:00:00 [Yasuragi] A-L-E-X's Security Code: 9F232E28 [Type 1.5]
0:00:00 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 1 (A-L-E-X)
0:00:00 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:01 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X shuffles library
0:00:02 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Greetings
0:00:02 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Here are the rules:
1) Know the rules of the game.
2) Know how to use MWS Play.
3) This is a best 2 out of 3 game.
4) I will sideboard between matches.
5) If you feel you cannot handle rules #1-4, you might as well leave now. I have been putting these up at the beginning of all my games on MWS. It is surprising how often people actually are saying that they won't finish a 2/3 game, or refuse sideboards, and will leave before wasting our time.
0:00:03 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X shuffles library
0:00:04 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi rolled a 2, using a 20 sided die
0:00:06 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X shuffles library
0:00:07 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi shuffles library
0:00:08 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X shuffles library
0:00:08 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi shuffles library
0:00:09 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi shuffles library
0:00:15 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X rolled a 4, using a 20 sided die
0:00:16 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> ill p
0:00:18 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Ok
0:00:20 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi draws 7 cards
0:00:20 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X draws 7 cards
0:00:23 [A-L-E-X] A-L-E-X rearranges cards in A-L-E-X's Hand
0:00:27 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> kp
0:00:28 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Keep
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My turn seven. Life totals are Yasuragi: 3, A-L-E-X: 11. He has one untapped creature, three tapped creatures, no cards in hand, and no lands untapped. I have six forests, one Llanowar Elves, one Wren's Run Packmaster equipped with Obsidian Battle- Axe, and one Wolf token in play, with two forests in hand.
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0:15:35 [Yasuragi] It is now turn 14 (Yasuragi)
0:15:35 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:15:36 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi untaps his/her permanents
0:15:37 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:15:37 [Yasuragi] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:15:38 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi draws a card
0:15:39 [Yasuragi] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:15:41 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Forest from Hand
0:15:57 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> Thinking...
0:16:04 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> u think
0:16:28 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest
0:16:28 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi taps Forest
0:16:29 [Yasuragi] Yasuragi plays Elvish Warrior from Hand
0:16:37 [Yasuragi] Wren's Run Packmaster is now 6/5
0:16:37 [Yasuragi] Wren's Run Packmaster is now 5/5
0:16:41 [Yasuragi] Elvish Warrior is now 3/4
0:16:41 [Yasuragi] Elvish Warrior is now 4/4
0:16:48 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> before u attack
0:16:53 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> i have something to say
0:16:57 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> i feel i cant handle the rules
0:16:59 [Yasuragi] <Yasuragi> yes
0:17:02 [A-L-E-X] <A-L-E-X> so bye bye
0:17:03 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
this after talking with some of the other frequent users.
:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
Perhaps the wrong place for this discussion, but it is relevant.
Anyways, aren't the following statements equal?
My card has a higher CMC than your card. :: Your card has a lower CMC than my card.
My card has the same CMC as your card. :: Your card has the same CMC as my card.
My card has a lower CMC than your card. :: Your card has a higher CMC than my card.
Does the wording of the outcome affect who wins the clash? I didn't think so, but I can always be wrong. Could you boil it down to three statements?
My card has a higher CMC than your card.
Our cards have the same CMC.
Your card has a higher CMC than my card.
Or does that produce different results somehow?
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:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
Isn't that an inherent problem with clash anyways? It seems that "Player" would do the same thing for any two identical cards.
And I believe (speculation) that Beseech The Queen's CMC will be 6, 5, 4, and 3, similar to split cards, but on steroids.
:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
Actually, yes you could by that logic. The problem is that many people playing on MWS (and quite a few in real life, too) do not utilize English as a native tongue. So all they have to go on is what they have learned so far, and the subtleties of "You can..." are not often understood until after many years of use.
Take small children, for example. Psychologists say that we learn more effectively and more efficiently at the beginning of our lives. But I have seen and heard of many children who do not understand that when a parent says "You can do [x] or [y]," it precludes the alternatives of [a], [b], [c], etc. This can be seen even up until adolescence, and many people learning English later in life have been speaking it for far less time than a 10-12 year old.
EDIT: Just to make it clear, I am talking about children who have actually said "Well, you didn't say that I couldn't do that." And while many people are consciously twisting words when they say this, many children truly do not understand that they were not allowed any other options based on the adult's statement.
:symb::symr::symg:Jund:symb::symr::symg:
While you are correct, the English explanation of snow mana is grammatically vague. It should say "...can only be paid with..." to be grammatically correct, and I can see how some people can find that confusing.
In the future, perhaps the Coldsnap FAQ would be better to quote from. Although who knows why they made it clearer in the FAQ than in the rules...
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