You don't understand. Why would u crack it at the EoT when you can just crack it after you draw on your turn. That way if you draw something that needs a specific land, you didnt screw yourself. There's no point in cracking EoT when you can just wait until right before your going to use the land to crack it. Remember they come into play untapped...
I don't know if that comment was aimed at me or him?
He had no Demigod in his graveyard. He played one from his hand and didn't think I could counter it...
Anyway, a new funny:
<Matt Doughty> End my turn
PianoMan draws a card
PianoMan taps Reflecting Pool
PianoMan plays Pithing Needle from Hand
Pithing Needle's note changed: bitter
<PianoMan> End my turn
PianoMan puts Wall of Reverence to Graveyard from Hand
<Matt Doughty> Bitterblossom doesn't have an activated ability
<System> Player Lost
0:04:54 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty's life total is now 7 (-1)
0:04:54 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty's life total is now 6 (-1)
0:04:55 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty's life total is now 5 (-1)
0:04:55 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty's life total is now 4 (-1)
0:04:55 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty's life total is now 3 (-1)
0:04:58 [Morpork] <Morpork> End my turn
0:04:59 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty taps Crumbling Necropolis
0:04:59 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty taps Sunken Ruins
0:04:59 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty taps Shivan Reef
0:04:59 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty taps Cascade Bluffs
0:05:00 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty plays Cryptic Command from Hand
0:05:10 [Morpork] Morpork puts Demigod of Revenge to Hand from Play
0:05:10 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty draws a card
0:05:12 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty puts Cryptic Command to Graveyard from Play
0:05:14 [Matt Doughty] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:14 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty untaps his/her permanents
0:05:14 [Matt Doughty] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:05:15 [Matt Doughty] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:05:15 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty draws a card
0:05:15 [Matt Doughty] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:18 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty plays Underground River from Hand
0:05:24 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty taps Sunken Ruins
0:05:24 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty taps Crumbling Necropolis
0:05:25 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty taps Cascade Bluffs
0:05:27 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty plays Anathemancer from Hand
0:05:32 [Morpork] Morpork's life total is now 12 (-6)
0:05:34 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> End my turn
0:05:37 [Morpork] Morpork untaps his/her permanents
0:05:38 [Morpork] Morpork draws a card
0:05:41 [Morpork] Morpork taps Crumbling Necropolis
0:05:41 [Morpork] Morpork taps Reflecting Pool
0:05:41 [Morpork] Morpork taps Secluded Glen
0:05:41 [Morpork] Morpork taps Sunken Ruins
0:05:41 [Morpork] Morpork taps Island
0:05:42 [Morpork] Morpork plays Demigod of Revenge from Hand
0:05:44 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty taps Vivid Creek
0:05:44 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty taps Crumbling Necropolis
0:05:44 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty taps Underground River
0:05:45 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty taps Shivan Reef
0:05:47 [Matt Doughty] Matt Doughty plays Broken Ambitions from Hand
0:05:49 [Morpork] <Morpork> cant counter
0:05:49 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> 3
0:05:54 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> Why not?
0:05:55 [Morpork] <Morpork> fala portugues
0:05:55 [Morpork] <Morpork> ?
0:05:57 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> No
0:06:03 [Morpork] <Morpork> read the effect
0:06:08 [Morpork] <Morpork> when you play
0:06:10 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> OK
0:06:14 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> There are none in yard
0:06:16 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> Counter it
0:06:17 [Morpork] <Morpork> if you counter
0:06:25 [Morpork] <Morpork> the card go to grave
0:06:29 [Morpork] <Morpork> and back after
0:06:30 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> The effect resolves before the Demigod does
0:06:37 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> So no, it doesnt
0:06:46 [Morpork] <Morpork> no, that is in wizards site
0:06:57 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> Link me
0:07:01 [Morpork] <Morpork> and is used like that in regionals
0:07:11 [Morpork] <Morpork> www.magicthegathering.com
0:07:12 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> If you have one already in graveyard
0:07:19 [Morpork] <Morpork> search the news
0:07:20 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> That one comes back
0:07:26 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> Link me to the article
0:07:26 [Morpork] <Morpork> no
0:07:33 [Morpork] <Morpork> all come back
0:07:38 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> That says demigod
0:07:44 [Morpork] <Morpork> i dont know the name off article
0:07:46 [Morpork] <Morpork> search
0:07:49 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> Sorry but you're completely wrong
0:07:52 [Morpork] <Morpork> ok
0:07:53 [Morpork] <Morpork> cya
0:07:54 [Matt Doughty] <Matt Doughty> The effect is a triggered ability
0:07:56 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
This kind of ignorance annoys me.
To be fair, it does work that way. You need to let the triggered ability resolve before countering it, otherwise the ability brings it back to play.
glurman's Security Code: DA8A8B8D/sb [Type 1.5]
adiosamigos's Security Code: F1C64C47/sb [Type 1]
It is now turn 1 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<glurman> wtf?
adiosamigos shuffles library
It is now turn 2 (adiosamigos)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<glurman> oh
<glurman> k
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
adiosamigos shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
adiosamigos draws a card
adiosamigos draws a card
glurman shuffles library
adiosamigos draws a card
adiosamigos draws a card
adiosamigos draws a card
adiosamigos draws a card
adiosamigos draws a card
glurman draws 7 cards
<adiosamigos> kp
<glurman> also keep
adiosamigos plays Mountain from Hand
<adiosamigos> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Polluted Delta from Hand
glurman taps Polluted Delta
glurman puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
glurman's life total is now 19 (-1)
glurman is looking its Library...
glurman puts Underground Sea into play from Library
glurman shuffles library
glurman stops looking its Library...
<adiosamigos> Ok <glurman> thinking <glurman> I'll wing it glurman plays Mox Sapphire from Hand glurman plays Mox Pearl from Hand glurman plays Black Lotus from Hand glurman taps Underground Sea glurman taps Mox Sapphire glurman taps Mox Pearl glurman taps Black Lotus glurman puts Black Lotus to Graveyard from Play glurman plays Mind's Desire from Hand <adiosamigos> Ok glurman puts Mind's Desire to Graveyard from Play glurman puts Chain of Vapor into play from Library glurman puts Yawgmoth's Bargain into play from Library glurman puts Tinker into play from Library glurman puts Rebuild into play from Library <adiosamigos> Ok adiosamigos taps Mountain adiosamigos plays Pyroblast from Hand <adiosamigos> on tinker adiosamigos puts Pyroblast to Graveyard from Play glurman puts Rebuild to Graveyard from Play glurman puts Mox Sapphire to Hand from Play glurman puts Mox Pearl to Hand from Play glurman puts Tinker to Graveyard from Play glurman plays Mox Pearl from Hand glurman plays Mox Sapphire from Hand glurman's life total is now 9 (-10) glurman draws a card glurman draws a card glurman draws a card glurman draws a card glurman draws a card glurman draws a card glurman draws a card glurman draws a card glurman draws a card glurman draws a card glurman plays Mox Jet from Hand glurman plays Lotus Petal from Hand <adiosamigos> Ok glurman taps Mox Pearl glurman taps Mox Sapphire glurman taps Mox Jet glurman taps Lotus Petal <adiosamigos> gg glurman puts Lotus Petal to Graveyard from Play glurman plays Tendrils of Agony from Hand <adiosamigos> Ok <glurman> ggs <glurman> Thanks! <adiosamigos> nope <adiosamigos> you got no ****ing skills at this game <adiosamigos> so <adiosamigos> not a gg <glurman> Haha <adiosamigos> Adios Amigos <glurman> Beat you though <adiosamigos> <adiosamigos> yep <adiosamigos> i got no skills too <glurman> Haha adiosamigos puts a 0/0 Noob token into play glurman is now the controller of Noob <System> Player Lost
glurman destroys token Noob
I like the fact that I just managed to win the game with no real chance at all
Vintage's Security Code: 85EC4023 [Type 1]
glurman's Security Code: 5423FFB3 [Type 1.5]
It is now turn 1 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<glurman> Hey there
glurman shuffles library
<Vintage> hi
Vintage shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
Vintage shuffles library
glurman rolled a 3, using a 20 sided die
Vintage shuffles library
<glurman> damn
Vintage rolled a 12, using a 20 sided die
<Vintage> pl
Vintage draws 7 cards
glurman draws 7 cards
<Vintage> kp
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
It is now turn 2 (Vintage)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<glurman> keep
Vintage plays Plains from Hand
Vintage plays Mox Jet from Hand
<Vintage> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Mox Jet from Hand
glurman plays Black Lotus from Hand
<Vintage> Ok
glurman taps Mox Jet
glurman plays Dark Ritual from Hand
<glurman> Ok?
<Vintage> Ok
glurman puts Dark Ritual to Graveyard from Play
glurman plays Grim Tutor from Hand
glurman puts Grim Tutor to Graveyard from Play (It's been sitting there for about thirty seconds)
glurman's life total is now 17 (-3)
glurman is looking its Library...
<Vintage> ?
<Vintage> that hasn't resolved
glurman shuffles library
glurman stops looking its Library...
<Vintage> and you've shuffled
<glurman> Well you don't say anything
<Vintage> ...
<Vintage> you didn't ask ok?
<glurman> So I can only assume
<Vintage> i didn't get priority
<glurman> So it's just sitting there for no reason?
glurman puts Grim Tutor into play from Graveyard
<Vintage> you can respond
<Vintage> you have mana up
<glurman> No I don't
<glurman> I could use lotus
<glurman> but no
<Vintage> g2?
<glurman> um
<glurman> Why?
<Vintage> you just cheated
<Vintage> and lost
<glurman> You have got to be kidding me
Vintage reveals a Force of Will
<Vintage> 5 seconds, or you can go find someone who doesn't understand the 'stack'
<glurman> So do you counter it?
<Vintage> g2
<Vintage> 3
<glurman> **** you then
<Vintage> 2
<Vintage> 1
<System> Player Lost
<glurman> this is going on salvation
Here's another one, in which I was wrong, but the principle still remains:
<Fowler > K
glurman puts Yawgmoth's Will to RFG from Play
<glurman> before resolution
glurman puts Lion's Eye Diamond to Graveyard from Play
glurman puts Duress to Graveyard from Hand
glurman puts Mind's Desire to Graveyard from Hand
<Fowler > no
<Fowler > u cant do this
<glurman> Why not?
<glurman> It's legal
<Fowler > cuz u must resp b4 me
<Fowler > no
<Fowler > no is
<Fowler > ask judge
<glurman> I'm a rules advisor, but I can get a ruling
<glurman> from a real judge
<Fowler > u cant
<glurman> mana abilities don;t even use the stack man
<Fowler > lol
<Fowler > ...
<Fowler > mana of lands
<Fowler > dude
<Fowler > tap a mox goes to stack
<glurman> Nope
<glurman> Moxen mana abilites don;t use the stack
<Fowler > lol
<Fowler > hey
<Fowler > cards in hand
<Fowler > or leave
<glurman> I have the ruling, but you are actually right in this one case
<Fowler > dont waste my time
<glurman> http://magiccards.info/mr/en/272.html
<Fowler > is dificult explain in english
<glurman> It can only be played any time I could play an instant... that's weird
<Fowler > if u give me the priority
<glurman> But it resolves immediately
<Fowler > u cant resp
<glurman> I know
<Fowler > nooooooooo
<Fowler > arrrrgggggggg
<glurman> Yeeeeees
<Fowler > hey
<glurman> Llanowar elves, moxen, lands, whatever
<Fowler > learn to play
This was awesome, even though the internet connection sucked:
glurman's Security Code: 995BFDF9 [Type 1.5]
Kwon Quan Chen's Security Code: BDB601A8 [Type 2]
It is now turn 1 (Kwon Quan Chen)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Kwon Quan Chen> hey
<glurman> Hiyah
Kwon Quan Chen rolled a 4, using a 20 sided die
glurman shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
Kwon Quan Chen shuffles library glurman rolled a 13, using a 20 sided die Kwon Quan Chen shuffles library <glurman> play Kwon Quan Chen draws 27 cards <Kwon Quan Chen> ok <Kwon Quan Chen> I keep <glurman> That's hilarious <Kwon Quan Chen> what? <glurman> Your cards in hand <Kwon Quan Chen> whats wrong? <glurman> Nothing <Kwon Quan Chen> I drew 7 cards glurman draws 27 cards <glurman> Yeah me too <Kwon Quan Chen> ok
It is now turn 2 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Forest from Hand
glurman taps Forest
glurman plays Llanowar Elves from Hand
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (Kwon Quan Chen)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Kwon Quan Chen untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Kwon Quan Chen draws a card
Hooray! This one isn't so bad, but it got me at the end. He was so close
<New Game: waiting for opponent>
glurman shuffles library
<glurman> What's good?
glurman draws 0 cards
Bukowski shuffles library
<Bukowski> hello amigo
Bukowski draws 0 cards
<-------- Juego nuevo comenzado -------->
<glurman> Heyah
El código de seguridad de Bukowski es: 3AAD92DE [Type 1.5]
El código de seguridad de glurman es: 850A39AF [Type 1.5]
It is now turn 1 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
Bukowski shuffles library
Bukowski shuffles library
Bukowski rolled a 8, using a 20 sided die
glurman rolled a 7, using a 20 sided die
<Bukowski> ip
glurman draws 7 cards
Bukowski shuffles library
Bukowski draws 7 cards
<Bukowski> kp
<glurman> kp
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski plays Swamp from Hand
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski plays Dark Ritual from Hand
<glurman> Ok
Bukowski plays Putrid Imp from Hand
Bukowski plays Nantuko Shade from Hand
<glurman> Ok
Bukowski puts Dark Ritual to Graveyard from Play
<Bukowski> End my turn
It is now turn 2 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Wooded Foothills from Hand
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski plays Wasteland from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Swamp
glurman's life total is now 17 (-3)
glurman's life total is now 16 (-1)
<Bukowski> End my turn
It is now turn 4 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Tropical Island from Hand
glurman taps Wooded Foothills
glurman's life total is now 15 (-1)
glurman puts Wooded Foothills to Graveyard from Play
glurman is looking its Library...
glurman puts Tropical Island into play from Library
glurman shuffles library
glurman stops looking its Library...
glurman taps Tropical Island
glurman taps Tropical Island
glurman plays Living Wish from Hand
<Bukowski> Ok
glurman is looking its Sideboard...
glurman puts Maggot Carrier into play from Sideboard
glurman stops looking its Sideboard...
glurman puts Maggot Carrier to Hand from Play
glurman puts Living Wish to RFG from Play
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 5 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski plays Swamp from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski taps Swamp
glurman's life total is now 10 (-5)
<Bukowski> End my turn
It is now turn 6 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Forest from Hand
glurman puts Forest to Hand from Play
glurman plays Swamp from Hand
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 7 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski plays Cabal Coffers from Hand
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski plays Will-O'-The-Wisp from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
glurman's life total is now 7 (-3)
<Bukowski> End my turn
<glurman> EOT
glurman taps Tropical Island
glurman taps Swamp
glurman plays Lim-Dul's Vault from Hand
<Bukowski> resp
Bukowski taps Wasteland
Bukowski puts Wasteland to Graveyard from Play
glurman puts Tropical Island to Graveyard from Play
glurman is looking top 5 cards of its Library...
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman stops looking its Library...
glurman puts Lim-Dul's Vault to Graveyard from Play
It is now turn 8 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Forest from Hand
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 9 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski plays City of Traitors from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
glurman's life total is now 4 (-3)
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski taps Swamp
glurman's life total is now 2 (-2)
<Bukowski> End my turn
It is now turn 10 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays City of Traitors from Hand
glurman taps City of Traitors
glurman taps Forest
glurman taps Tropical Island
glurman plays Aluren from Hand
<Bukowski> Ok
glurman plays Wall of Roots from Hand
<Bukowski> Ok
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 11 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski plays Terror from Hand
glurman puts Wall of Roots to Graveyard from Play
Bukowski puts Terror to Graveyard from Play
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
glurman plays Eternal Witness from Hand
glurman puts Wall of Roots into play from Graveyard
glurman puts Wall of Roots to Hand from Play
glurman plays Wall of Roots from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
<Bukowski> mmm great
<Bukowski> End my turn
It is now turn 12 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 13 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Bukowski> Thinking
<glurman> Ok
Bukowski discards Lord of the Pit
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski plays Exhume from Hand
Bukowski puts Lord of the Pit into play from Graveyard
Bukowski puts Exhume to Graveyard from Play
<Bukowski> End my turn
<glurman> EOT
glurman plays Dream Stalker from Hand
glurman puts Eternal Witness to Hand from Play
glurman plays Eternal Witness from Hand
glurman taps Eternal Witness
glurman untaps Eternal Witness
glurman puts Lim-Dul's Vault into play from Graveyard
glurman taps Swamp
glurman taps Tropical Island
<glurman> Ok?
<Bukowski> Ok
glurman puts Lim-Dul's Vault to Graveyard from Play
glurman is looking top 5 cards of its Library...
glurman's life total is now 1 (-1)
<Bukowski> ay caramba!
glurman stops looking its Library...
glurman is looking top 5 cards of its Library...
glurman puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
glurman puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
glurman puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
glurman puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
glurman puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
glurman stops looking its Library...
glurman is looking top 5 cards of its Library...
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman stops looking its Library...
It is now turn 14 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman taps Forest
glurman taps Tropical Island
glurman taps Swamp
glurman plays Intuition from Hand
<glurman> Ok?
<Bukowski> Ok
glurman puts Intuition to Graveyard from Play
glurman is looking its Library...
glurman puts Auriok Champion into play from Library
glurman puts Imperial Recruiter into play from Library
glurman puts Imperial Recruiter into play from Library
glurman shuffles library
glurman stops looking its Library...
Bukowski is now the controller of Imperial Recruiter
Bukowski is now the controller of Auriok Champion
Bukowski is now the controller of Imperial Recruiter
glurman is now the controller of Auriok Champion
glurman is now the controller of Imperial Recruiter
glurman is now the controller of Imperial Recruiter
<glurman> recruiters in yard?
glurman puts Imperial Recruiter to Graveyard from Play
glurman puts Imperial Recruiter to Graveyard from Play
<Bukowski> yes
glurman puts Auriok Champion to Hand from Play
glurman plays Auriok Champion from Hand
glurman plays Cavern Harpy from Hand
glurman's life total is now 2 (+1)
glurman puts Dream Stalker to Hand from Play
glurman plays Dream Stalker from Hand
glurman puts Cavern Harpy to Hand from Play
glurman's life total is now 3 (+1)
<glurman> to 100000000
glurman's life total is now 10000000 (+9999997)
glurman plays Maggot Carrier from Hand
<Bukowski> genial
<Bukowski> great
glurman's life total is now 9999999 (-1)
glurman plays Cavern Harpy from Hand
glurman puts Dream Stalker to Hand from Play
glurman plays Dream Stalker from Hand
glurman puts Maggot Carrier to Hand from Play
glurman puts Cavern Harpy to Hand from Play
glurman's life total is now 9999998 (-1)
glurman plays Cavern Harpy from Hand
glurman puts Dream Stalker to Hand from Play
glurman plays Maggot Carrier from Hand
<glurman> until you die
<Bukowski> you a a coward
<Bukowski> sayonara
<glurman> mmkay
I thought this was entertaining. Didn't save the log though.
Playing the Rogue deck from Chapin's article. I mull into a good hand, but it's second land is Pendlehaven. Opponent leads with Cloud Sprite off Glen, second turn Prowler off Pendlehaven. I don't hit a land and concede when his turn 3 is Bitterblossom and another 1 drop. I ask for a G2, and his response is
"How many times do I have to tell you noobs Rogues aren't good".
Very entertaining considering his curve....
Moreover, I don't think he realizes that Oona's Prowler is a rogue too
You just KNOW these people are about 90 pounds, can't see their face through their zit scars, and wear glasses that let you see distant objects in space. Now imagine how they must act at a FNM tourney.
You weren't around for Stifle, were you?
So? Here's how the stack works:
Demigod
> Trigger
> Demigod
>>Counterspell targetting Demigod
>>Trigger
>>Demigod
Counterspell resolves, Demigod in graveyard
>Trigger
Trigger resolves, putting the countered Demigod into play
Whoops...
To be fair, it does work that way. You need to let the triggered ability resolve before countering it, otherwise the ability brings it back to play.
adiosamigos's Security Code: F1C64C47/sb [Type 1]
It is now turn 1 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<glurman> wtf?
adiosamigos shuffles library
It is now turn 2 (adiosamigos)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<glurman> oh
<glurman> k
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
adiosamigos shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
adiosamigos draws a card
adiosamigos draws a card
glurman shuffles library
adiosamigos draws a card
adiosamigos draws a card
adiosamigos draws a card
adiosamigos draws a card
adiosamigos draws a card
glurman draws 7 cards
<adiosamigos> kp
<glurman> also keep
adiosamigos plays Mountain from Hand
<adiosamigos> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Polluted Delta from Hand
glurman taps Polluted Delta
glurman puts Polluted Delta to Graveyard from Play
glurman's life total is now 19 (-1)
glurman is looking its Library...
glurman puts Underground Sea into play from Library
glurman shuffles library
glurman stops looking its Library...
<adiosamigos> Ok
<glurman> thinking
<glurman> I'll wing it
glurman plays Mox Sapphire from Hand
glurman plays Mox Pearl from Hand
glurman plays Black Lotus from Hand
glurman taps Underground Sea
glurman taps Mox Sapphire
glurman taps Mox Pearl
glurman taps Black Lotus
glurman puts Black Lotus to Graveyard from Play
glurman plays Mind's Desire from Hand
<adiosamigos> Ok
glurman puts Mind's Desire to Graveyard from Play
glurman puts Chain of Vapor into play from Library
glurman puts Yawgmoth's Bargain into play from Library
glurman puts Tinker into play from Library
glurman puts Rebuild into play from Library
<adiosamigos> Ok
adiosamigos taps Mountain
adiosamigos plays Pyroblast from Hand
<adiosamigos> on tinker
adiosamigos puts Pyroblast to Graveyard from Play
glurman puts Rebuild to Graveyard from Play
glurman puts Mox Sapphire to Hand from Play
glurman puts Mox Pearl to Hand from Play
glurman puts Tinker to Graveyard from Play
glurman plays Mox Pearl from Hand
glurman plays Mox Sapphire from Hand
glurman's life total is now 9 (-10)
glurman draws a card
glurman draws a card
glurman draws a card
glurman draws a card
glurman draws a card
glurman draws a card
glurman draws a card
glurman draws a card
glurman draws a card
glurman draws a card
glurman plays Mox Jet from Hand
glurman plays Lotus Petal from Hand
<adiosamigos> Ok
glurman taps Mox Pearl
glurman taps Mox Sapphire
glurman taps Mox Jet
glurman taps Lotus Petal
<adiosamigos> gg
glurman puts Lotus Petal to Graveyard from Play
glurman plays Tendrils of Agony from Hand
<adiosamigos> Ok
<glurman> ggs
<glurman> Thanks!
<adiosamigos> nope
<adiosamigos> you got no ****ing skills at this game
<adiosamigos> so
<adiosamigos> not a gg
<glurman> Haha
<adiosamigos> Adios Amigos
<glurman> Beat you though
<adiosamigos>
<adiosamigos> yep
<adiosamigos> i got no skills too
<glurman> Haha
adiosamigos puts a 0/0 Noob token into play
glurman is now the controller of Noob
<System> Player Lost
I like the fact that I just managed to win the game with no real chance at all
glurman's Security Code: 5423FFB3 [Type 1.5]
It is now turn 1 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<glurman> Hey there
glurman shuffles library
<Vintage> hi
Vintage shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
Vintage shuffles library
glurman rolled a 3, using a 20 sided die
Vintage shuffles library
<glurman> damn
Vintage rolled a 12, using a 20 sided die
<Vintage> pl
Vintage draws 7 cards
glurman draws 7 cards
<Vintage> kp
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
It is now turn 2 (Vintage)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<glurman> keep
Vintage plays Plains from Hand
Vintage plays Mox Jet from Hand
<Vintage> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Mox Jet from Hand
glurman plays Black Lotus from Hand
<Vintage> Ok
glurman taps Mox Jet
glurman plays Dark Ritual from Hand
<glurman> Ok?
<Vintage> Ok
glurman puts Dark Ritual to Graveyard from Play
glurman plays Grim Tutor from Hand
glurman puts Grim Tutor to Graveyard from Play (It's been sitting there for about thirty seconds)
glurman's life total is now 17 (-3)
glurman is looking its Library...
<Vintage> ?
<Vintage> that hasn't resolved
glurman shuffles library
glurman stops looking its Library...
<Vintage> and you've shuffled
<glurman> Well you don't say anything
<Vintage> ...
<Vintage> you didn't ask ok?
<glurman> So I can only assume
<Vintage> i didn't get priority
<glurman> So it's just sitting there for no reason?
glurman puts Grim Tutor into play from Graveyard
<Vintage> you can respond
<Vintage> you have mana up
<glurman> No I don't
<glurman> I could use lotus
<glurman> but no
<Vintage> g2?
<glurman> um
<glurman> Why?
<Vintage> you just cheated
<Vintage> and lost
<glurman> You have got to be kidding me
Vintage reveals a Force of Will
<Vintage> 5 seconds, or you can go find someone who doesn't understand the 'stack'
<glurman> So do you counter it?
<Vintage> g2
<Vintage> 3
<glurman> **** you then
<Vintage> 2
<Vintage> 1
<System> Player Lost
Here's another one, in which I was wrong, but the principle still remains:
glurman puts Yawgmoth's Will to RFG from Play
<glurman> before resolution
glurman puts Lion's Eye Diamond to Graveyard from Play
glurman puts Duress to Graveyard from Hand
glurman puts Mind's Desire to Graveyard from Hand
<Fowler > no
<Fowler > u cant do this
<glurman> Why not?
<glurman> It's legal
<Fowler > cuz u must resp b4 me
<Fowler > no
<Fowler > no is
<Fowler > ask judge
<glurman> I'm a rules advisor, but I can get a ruling
<glurman> from a real judge
<Fowler > u cant
<glurman> mana abilities don;t even use the stack man
<Fowler > lol
<Fowler > ...
<Fowler > mana of lands
<Fowler > dude
<Fowler > tap a mox goes to stack
<glurman> Nope
<glurman> Moxen mana abilites don;t use the stack
<Fowler > lol
<Fowler > hey
<Fowler > cards in hand
<Fowler > or leave
<glurman> I have the ruling, but you are actually right in this one case
<Fowler > dont waste my time
<glurman> http://magiccards.info/mr/en/272.html
<Fowler > is dificult explain in english
<glurman> It can only be played any time I could play an instant... that's weird
<Fowler > if u give me the priority
<glurman> But it resolves immediately
<Fowler > u cant resp
<glurman> I know
<Fowler > nooooooooo
<Fowler > arrrrgggggggg
<glurman> Yeeeeees
<Fowler > hey
<glurman> Llanowar elves, moxen, lands, whatever
This was awesome, even though the internet connection sucked:
Kwon Quan Chen's Security Code: BDB601A8 [Type 2]
It is now turn 1 (Kwon Quan Chen)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Kwon Quan Chen> hey
<glurman> Hiyah
Kwon Quan Chen rolled a 4, using a 20 sided die
glurman shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
Kwon Quan Chen shuffles library
glurman rolled a 13, using a 20 sided die
Kwon Quan Chen shuffles library
<glurman> play
Kwon Quan Chen draws 27 cards
<Kwon Quan Chen> ok
<Kwon Quan Chen> I keep
<glurman> That's hilarious
<Kwon Quan Chen> what?
<glurman> Your cards in hand
<Kwon Quan Chen> whats wrong?
<glurman> Nothing
<Kwon Quan Chen> I drew 7 cards
glurman draws 27 cards
<glurman> Yeah me too
<Kwon Quan Chen> ok
It is now turn 2 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Forest from Hand
glurman taps Forest
glurman plays Llanowar Elves from Hand
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (Kwon Quan Chen)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Kwon Quan Chen untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Kwon Quan Chen draws a card
glurman shuffles library
<glurman> What's good?
glurman draws 0 cards
Bukowski shuffles library
<Bukowski> hello amigo
Bukowski draws 0 cards
<-------- Juego nuevo comenzado -------->
<glurman> Heyah
El código de seguridad de Bukowski es: 3AAD92DE [Type 1.5]
El código de seguridad de glurman es: 850A39AF [Type 1.5]
It is now turn 1 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
glurman shuffles library
Bukowski shuffles library
Bukowski shuffles library
Bukowski rolled a 8, using a 20 sided die
glurman rolled a 7, using a 20 sided die
<Bukowski> ip
glurman draws 7 cards
Bukowski shuffles library
Bukowski draws 7 cards
<Bukowski> kp
<glurman> kp
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski plays Swamp from Hand
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski plays Dark Ritual from Hand
<glurman> Ok
Bukowski plays Putrid Imp from Hand
Bukowski plays Nantuko Shade from Hand
<glurman> Ok
Bukowski puts Dark Ritual to Graveyard from Play
<Bukowski> End my turn
It is now turn 2 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Wooded Foothills from Hand
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 3 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski plays Wasteland from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Swamp
glurman's life total is now 17 (-3)
glurman's life total is now 16 (-1)
<Bukowski> End my turn
It is now turn 4 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Tropical Island from Hand
glurman taps Wooded Foothills
glurman's life total is now 15 (-1)
glurman puts Wooded Foothills to Graveyard from Play
glurman is looking its Library...
glurman puts Tropical Island into play from Library
glurman shuffles library
glurman stops looking its Library...
glurman taps Tropical Island
glurman taps Tropical Island
glurman plays Living Wish from Hand
<Bukowski> Ok
glurman is looking its Sideboard...
glurman puts Maggot Carrier into play from Sideboard
glurman stops looking its Sideboard...
glurman puts Maggot Carrier to Hand from Play
glurman puts Living Wish to RFG from Play
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 5 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski plays Swamp from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski taps Swamp
glurman's life total is now 10 (-5)
<Bukowski> End my turn
It is now turn 6 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Forest from Hand
glurman puts Forest to Hand from Play
glurman plays Swamp from Hand
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 7 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski plays Cabal Coffers from Hand
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski plays Will-O'-The-Wisp from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
glurman's life total is now 7 (-3)
<Bukowski> End my turn
<glurman> EOT
glurman taps Tropical Island
glurman taps Swamp
glurman plays Lim-Dul's Vault from Hand
<Bukowski> resp
Bukowski taps Wasteland
Bukowski puts Wasteland to Graveyard from Play
glurman puts Tropical Island to Graveyard from Play
glurman is looking top 5 cards of its Library...
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman stops looking its Library...
glurman puts Lim-Dul's Vault to Graveyard from Play
It is now turn 8 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays Forest from Hand
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 9 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski plays City of Traitors from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Putrid Imp
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
glurman's life total is now 4 (-3)
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski taps Swamp
glurman's life total is now 2 (-2)
<Bukowski> End my turn
It is now turn 10 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman plays City of Traitors from Hand
glurman taps City of Traitors
glurman taps Forest
glurman taps Tropical Island
glurman plays Aluren from Hand
<Bukowski> Ok
glurman plays Wall of Roots from Hand
<Bukowski> Ok
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 11 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski plays Terror from Hand
glurman puts Wall of Roots to Graveyard from Play
Bukowski puts Terror to Graveyard from Play
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
Bukowski taps Nantuko Shade
glurman plays Eternal Witness from Hand
glurman puts Wall of Roots into play from Graveyard
glurman puts Wall of Roots to Hand from Play
glurman plays Wall of Roots from Hand
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
<Bukowski> mmm great
<Bukowski> End my turn
It is now turn 12 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<glurman> End my turn
It is now turn 13 (Bukowski)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Bukowski untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Bukowski draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Bukowski> Thinking
<glurman> Ok
Bukowski discards Lord of the Pit
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski taps Swamp
Bukowski plays Exhume from Hand
Bukowski puts Lord of the Pit into play from Graveyard
Bukowski puts Exhume to Graveyard from Play
<Bukowski> End my turn
<glurman> EOT
glurman plays Dream Stalker from Hand
glurman puts Eternal Witness to Hand from Play
glurman plays Eternal Witness from Hand
glurman taps Eternal Witness
glurman untaps Eternal Witness
glurman puts Lim-Dul's Vault into play from Graveyard
glurman taps Swamp
glurman taps Tropical Island
<glurman> Ok?
<Bukowski> Ok
glurman puts Lim-Dul's Vault to Graveyard from Play
glurman is looking top 5 cards of its Library...
glurman's life total is now 1 (-1)
<Bukowski> ay caramba!
glurman stops looking its Library...
glurman is looking top 5 cards of its Library...
glurman puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
glurman puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
glurman puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
glurman puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
glurman puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
glurman stops looking its Library...
glurman is looking top 5 cards of its Library...
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman rearranges cards in glurman's Library
glurman stops looking its Library...
It is now turn 14 (glurman)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
glurman untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
glurman draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
glurman taps Forest
glurman taps Tropical Island
glurman taps Swamp
glurman plays Intuition from Hand
<glurman> Ok?
<Bukowski> Ok
glurman puts Intuition to Graveyard from Play
glurman is looking its Library...
glurman puts Auriok Champion into play from Library
glurman puts Imperial Recruiter into play from Library
glurman puts Imperial Recruiter into play from Library
glurman shuffles library
glurman stops looking its Library...
Bukowski is now the controller of Imperial Recruiter
Bukowski is now the controller of Auriok Champion
Bukowski is now the controller of Imperial Recruiter
glurman is now the controller of Auriok Champion
glurman is now the controller of Imperial Recruiter
glurman is now the controller of Imperial Recruiter
<glurman> recruiters in yard?
glurman puts Imperial Recruiter to Graveyard from Play
glurman puts Imperial Recruiter to Graveyard from Play
<Bukowski> yes
glurman puts Auriok Champion to Hand from Play
glurman plays Auriok Champion from Hand
glurman plays Cavern Harpy from Hand
glurman's life total is now 2 (+1)
glurman puts Dream Stalker to Hand from Play
glurman plays Dream Stalker from Hand
glurman puts Cavern Harpy to Hand from Play
glurman's life total is now 3 (+1)
<glurman> to 100000000
glurman's life total is now 10000000 (+9999997)
glurman plays Maggot Carrier from Hand
<Bukowski> genial
<Bukowski> great
glurman's life total is now 9999999 (-1)
glurman plays Cavern Harpy from Hand
glurman puts Dream Stalker to Hand from Play
glurman plays Dream Stalker from Hand
glurman puts Maggot Carrier to Hand from Play
glurman puts Cavern Harpy to Hand from Play
glurman's life total is now 9999998 (-1)
glurman plays Cavern Harpy from Hand
glurman puts Dream Stalker to Hand from Play
glurman plays Maggot Carrier from Hand
<glurman> until you die
<Bukowski> you a a coward
<Bukowski> sayonara
<glurman> mmkay
I still think that this has yet to be topped in terms of sheer hilariousness.
He was playing G/W Haterator. It's a pretty good Tier 2 deck.
Moreover, I don't think he realizes that Oona's Prowler is a rogue too
That's hilarious. If my sig wasn't too big already this'd be in there.
Other than that, that is a very confusing argument he makes... very confusing indeed.