For a no-creature Enchantress deck, I think Herald of the Pantheon is not a good card for the deck. It doesn't have any protection, and it isn't an enchantment creature itself. Starfield of Nyx is better in this shell.
For a creature-based, aura-based (or even Boggles) deck, I don't think Herald of Pantheon is quite as good as Kor Spiritdancer. Card drawing is valued more than lowering casting costs or lifegain.
Mostly anything playing black or black/x that can either fire off a ton of hand destruction, or lots of things like abrupt decay before I even get a chance to put an auramancy down. Leyline is the only real answer.
Could not be happier they just announced Leyline is coming back in MMA2! Hopefully with a box on preorder I'll get a playset through trading, as it's been the obvious replace in that deck for some time but just waaaay to expensive.
I guess end of the day as you say it's not great in some matchups - I just wondered if aside the Leyline I was missing anything else. Thanks for your help
I think you have to rely on Leyline of Sanctity in your opening hand. Hopefully, you'll get a few in that box you pre-ordered. I don't think there is much you can do to stop Abrupt Decay with the current card pool. You need two Greater Auramancy cards to protect the other, and the opponent can use Abrupt Decay in between castings of Auramancy.
New here, been running an enchantress deck for a while now. It's super fun but I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions - it seems some matchups it works really well but anything with mega removal it just dies to. It also seems to be really hard to recover from a ton of removal. Here's the list:
When you say, "mega removal," are you referring to creature removal? You only have 8 creatures (one of which is a God).
Modern Enchantress isn't Legacy Enchantress, so some matchups just are difficult to win. My only real suggestion is to change Ivory Mask to Leyline of Sanctity, but that is very expensive right now.
Anyone think Greater Auramancy will see a reprint in Modern Masters 2015? I want to pick up a couple for my Enchantress deck, but $13 is steep for a card that might come down to $5 in a month.
I would probably just wait for MM2 to be released before you decide whether to buy Greater Auramancy. It's been hovering at $10-$13 for a year, according to www.mtgstocks.com, so an extra month or two should not hurt. If it's not in the set, the card is probably not going to shoot up in price immediately, giving you time to make a buying decision.
Ah I see what you mean. I am still interested in the card drawing system to want to go down the route of Bogles. But having creatures in an enchantress deck - is this a thing of the past?
The Bogles deck does have a card drawing engine called Kor Spiritdancer. It functions exactly like an Enchantress, except it works for auras only.
I'm not knowledgeable about the Modern metagame, but from the decklists I've seen, most Enchantress decks do not have many creatures, because the deck is designed to be either a combo deck or a prison-control deck. You have your Enchantress creature cards, and maybe one finisher like Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. Any other creatures you need would be token generator enchantments or a transformer like Myth Realized.
What are people's thoughts on the viability in modern of sylvan caryatid if you are looking to put down a few auras? Sylvan caryatid vs BoP is what I am considering.
Do you want to put the auras on Sylvan Caryatid or as a mana accelerator in general? Doesn't the Boggles deck do the job?
Can you give me a link to a good Boggles deck in Modern? I would like to be able to do either of those options. Having extra mana which will stick is nice, being able to block a 2/2 is nice and having something I can enchant is good :). 2 mana cost is a bit awk though for sure. There must be more suitable 2 drops.
First, I spelled "bogles" wrong. I am sorry for the misspelling, in case you were trying to find the deck on this site.
By the way, Sylvan Caryatid has defender, so it can't be used to attack unless you have an aura that removes defender. The bogle deck relies on playing a ton of auras on a small bunch of hexproof creatures, so this deck may be to your liking.
What are people's thoughts on the viability in modern of sylvan caryatid if you are looking to put down a few auras? Sylvan caryatid vs BoP is what I am considering.
Do you want to put the auras on Sylvan Caryatid or as a mana accelerator in general? Doesn't the Bogles deck do the job?
No, seriously, can we stop splitting hairs over this? We can try to make enchantress decks without the enchantress engine, because even you agree that that engine is too fragile in Modern. It's still the same deck which depends on density of enchantments to win...
I was only stating why the deck got its name and why there might be confusion with any other decks that are enchantment heavy. If players here want to brew the deck without the lynchpin card, I am not going to obstruct you guys further. Carry on.
Ok but who cares if we call it Enchantress.dek or Enchantments.dek?
The archetype of Enchantress decks feature an Enchantress-style draw engine (Argothian Enchantress being the original namesake of the Legacy Enchantress deck). Historically, that is how the deck got its name. Every Enchantress deck list that I've seen has that Enchantress-style draw engine.
Anybody can make an enchantment-heavy deck without the draw engine, but it would probably become its own discussion thread after some time. An enchantment heavy deck is not an Enchantress deck if it lacks that lynchpin card. The naming of the Enchantress deck is similar to Tron and Twin decks. Those decks must have the named lynchpin cards to be named that way.
The problem with Eidolon is its color and casting cost. At 4cc you need to be stabilized and Eidolon does nothing to help you achieve this. I really don't think we need a dedicated card engine in this deck, especially if its on the back of flimsy over priced critters like Mesa Ench and Eidolon. Idyllic Tutor should be run as a 4x and that should be enough to get the right cards in our hands at the right times.
I believe the archetype (flavor?) of Enchantress decks is to have an enchantment-relevant draw engine. Legacy Enchantress works this way. If Modern Enchantress didn't have this dedicated draw engine, it probably would not be called an Enchantress deck anymore.
How many "enchantress" engines is everyone using? I only use 4 blossoms and she is great because both mark of asylum and greater auramancy protect her.
Privileged Position is good, but in a fast-paced Modern meta, I think it's slow at 5 mana (see Sigil of the Empty Throne).
I think Myth Realized is ok, but not great in the current Modern meta. The avatar creature it creates has no abilities, so it can be chump blocked all day by a token creature, even if Greater Auramancy protects it from targeted removal.
As for card searching, it'll probably be a combination of Kruphix's Insight (card digging) and Idyllic Tutor (card tutor).
I only choose Eidolon over Verduran and Mesa Enchantresses, because it replaces itself when cast, even though it costs 1 more mana than the other two. I'm of the opinion that if Wizards ever reprints Enchantress's Presence in Modern, Modern Enchantress decks will get a big competitive boost.
I think a non-aura Enchantress deck isn't quite viable yet, since I think a typical Legacy version had 8 inexpensive-to-cast draw effect cards (4 Argothian Enchantress and 4 Enchantress's Presence).
I was hoping that Enchantress's Presence would get reprinted in the Theros block. That one card would speed Modern Enchantress decks up considerably and allow a non-aura build to function adequately.
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For a no-creature Enchantress deck, I think Herald of the Pantheon is not a good card for the deck. It doesn't have any protection, and it isn't an enchantment creature itself. Starfield of Nyx is better in this shell.
For a creature-based, aura-based (or even Boggles) deck, I don't think Herald of Pantheon is quite as good as Kor Spiritdancer. Card drawing is valued more than lowering casting costs or lifegain.
I think you have to rely on Leyline of Sanctity in your opening hand. Hopefully, you'll get a few in that box you pre-ordered. I don't think there is much you can do to stop Abrupt Decay with the current card pool. You need two Greater Auramancy cards to protect the other, and the opponent can use Abrupt Decay in between castings of Auramancy.
When you say, "mega removal," are you referring to creature removal? You only have 8 creatures (one of which is a God).
Modern Enchantress isn't Legacy Enchantress, so some matchups just are difficult to win. My only real suggestion is to change Ivory Mask to Leyline of Sanctity, but that is very expensive right now.
I would probably just wait for MM2 to be released before you decide whether to buy Greater Auramancy. It's been hovering at $10-$13 for a year, according to www.mtgstocks.com, so an extra month or two should not hurt. If it's not in the set, the card is probably not going to shoot up in price immediately, giving you time to make a buying decision.
The Bogles deck does have a card drawing engine called Kor Spiritdancer. It functions exactly like an Enchantress, except it works for auras only.
I'm not knowledgeable about the Modern metagame, but from the decklists I've seen, most Enchantress decks do not have many creatures, because the deck is designed to be either a combo deck or a prison-control deck. You have your Enchantress creature cards, and maybe one finisher like Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. Any other creatures you need would be token generator enchantments or a transformer like Myth Realized.
First, I spelled "bogles" wrong. I am sorry for the misspelling, in case you were trying to find the deck on this site.
Here is the link to a primer about the Bogles deck, also called "G/W Auras."
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/tier-2-modern/220251-g-w-auras-bogle
By the way, Sylvan Caryatid has defender, so it can't be used to attack unless you have an aura that removes defender. The bogle deck relies on playing a ton of auras on a small bunch of hexproof creatures, so this deck may be to your liking.
Do you want to put the auras on Sylvan Caryatid or as a mana accelerator in general? Doesn't the Bogles deck do the job?
I was only stating why the deck got its name and why there might be confusion with any other decks that are enchantment heavy. If players here want to brew the deck without the lynchpin card, I am not going to obstruct you guys further. Carry on.
The archetype of Enchantress decks feature an Enchantress-style draw engine (Argothian Enchantress being the original namesake of the Legacy Enchantress deck). Historically, that is how the deck got its name. Every Enchantress deck list that I've seen has that Enchantress-style draw engine.
Anybody can make an enchantment-heavy deck without the draw engine, but it would probably become its own discussion thread after some time. An enchantment heavy deck is not an Enchantress deck if it lacks that lynchpin card. The naming of the Enchantress deck is similar to Tron and Twin decks. Those decks must have the named lynchpin cards to be named that way.
I believe the archetype (flavor?) of Enchantress decks is to have an enchantment-relevant draw engine. Legacy Enchantress works this way. If Modern Enchantress didn't have this dedicated draw engine, it probably would not be called an Enchantress deck anymore.
I'm currently using Greater Auramancy and Eidolon of Blossoms only for causal play. Mark of Asylum takes up valuable card slots for my deck, because I don't have a lot of creatures. The deck's win condition is the very mana expensive (and slow) Sigil of the Empty Throne using a single Cage of Hands or Forced Worship as the token generation engine.
Privileged Position is good, but in a fast-paced Modern meta, I think it's slow at 5 mana (see Sigil of the Empty Throne).
I think Myth Realized is ok, but not great in the current Modern meta. The avatar creature it creates has no abilities, so it can be chump blocked all day by a token creature, even if Greater Auramancy protects it from targeted removal.
As for card searching, it'll probably be a combination of Kruphix's Insight (card digging) and Idyllic Tutor (card tutor).
I only choose Eidolon over Verduran and Mesa Enchantresses, because it replaces itself when cast, even though it costs 1 more mana than the other two. I'm of the opinion that if Wizards ever reprints Enchantress's Presence in Modern, Modern Enchantress decks will get a big competitive boost.
Verduran Enchantress dies way too quickly to burn cards in my games, so I never can stabilize the "draw engine."
Eidolon of Blossoms feels too slow, but it does replace itself when cast. I was able to get it to stick when combined with Greater Auramancy.
I think a non-aura Enchantress deck isn't quite viable yet, since I think a typical Legacy version had 8 inexpensive-to-cast draw effect cards (4 Argothian Enchantress and 4 Enchantress's Presence).