you actually have tempo elements, a late game card draw engine doesnt seem as necesary for you as it would be for builds running black. I definitely see it possibly not working out but i dont think i can dismiss it just because it doesnt fit the RUG build.
also i have been running into problems with the non bloodghast version in closing out games. They certainly arent great but if i continue to have problems with deck like uwr i may consider putting them back in.
EDIT:blue bersions running desperate raving(my build) may want to consider trade routes That card is unreal albiet a bit slow
Between liliana small pox and looting blood ghast provides a prime target for disard that is practically gaurunteed to be recurred. If it even gets in for 2-4 that's another shock or 2 you don't have to think about and it's a card you don't have to think twice about discarding.
i know it synergizes with the deck
what im saying is that it is contrary to what the deck needs to be doing. On turn 3 you want to be very close to setting up the lock, not swinging with some 2/1 .
The deck might be a bit slow closing out games but once you have 6 cards in hand and they have zero closing out the game is elementary.
EDIT: i am sad to see the borbygmos deck fail, i will be trying to breathe life into it once i get the assault version to my liking. I just learned that vs a competent opponent UWR midrange is a tough match(if they time their geists appropriately you often just die). You can certainly win but it is a tad tough
This is true. WoTC only shows the results of the largest of all the daily events for each format for that day. Usually 2-3 events fire per day, per format. But you will never see the results of more than 1, per format.
is it actually to reduce speculation or is it just to save space?
Didn't they hide some of the results lately not to reveal too much of the meta? Because they thought that people speculating too much was bad for the game. I think I read that somewhere.
I have not heard or seen anything to corroborate this
Hardcasting borby has come up? 0_o i have never got that many lands out with loam...
Also I have no basis for comparison for horizon canopy number, my gut says three but it is just a gut feeling.
Anyways, what is your username on modo? I wanna look out for your results if you money
EDIT: Also a super experiemental idea for a white build would be a glittering wish package. almost certainly too cute but that card is definitely powerful.
I dont see any reason to disclude your deck from this because you cut red. Legacy nic fit decks run the gamut of all five colors but are still under the same umbrella, I think you're fine here.
With that said, cutting red seems awesome, I wanted a white build but couldnt bring myself to cut anything, but with the borbygmos brew cutting red feels so natural. With the move to a firm junk color build i am wondering how you missed an incredible gem HORIZON CANOPY!!! It supplies you with a much needed land way to draw cards and it goes certifiabley insane with loam.(draw loam of canopy, bring back canopy and two other lands, repeat in ongoing turns.) It isnt nearly as good as the cyclers but it is almost certainly a glorious fit for your deck.
Knight of the reliquary is another consideration, but is unlikely good enough.(although with canopy, ghost quarter, and manlands i can see it doing real work).
first off, i had a feeling living end would be bad but didnt want to speculate before testing. Im thinking we ought to just jam some graveyard hate of our own as a potential two of, our sideboards right now seem to be making already decent matchups better, i dont see any reason for doing that. For the particular weapon of choice im leaning towards nihil spellbomb. I will try to get living end testing where possible and report back.
Second, i realized halfway through writing that the lists were probably different enough that yours would play more like a combo deck, but i was on my ipad and didnt feel like editting it
third, im so glad you are willing to test lingering souls, i really have a hard time believing owen that they are bad. Ive read enough of reid duke's opinions on modern to know that not all pros know everything
fourth, im really excited to see your report.
Finally, im currently on jabberwocki's current list(the splash blue one) minus a blackleave cliffs and up a basic forest. I have no idea why on earth he wants to go dead to blood moon, but i certainly dont. I will be working on e sideboard in the upcoming weeks when more testing can occur. But the maindeck currently seems to be where i want it.
One last thing, badabing, have you considered running sideboard fatties to recur vs faster matchups? wurmcoil or elesh seem rather potent to me.
EDIT: Did you actually have a good matchup vs true badabing? it seems poor for the home team on paper which is why im wondering(maybe the borbygymos build changes that) Also for me UWR tempo seems like an autowin for us(or at least the creatureless build), did borbygymos feel like a liablity here or did you lose to something else?
Also why firespout over slagstorm?
EDIT2: Got some games in vs living end, won a preboard game off of insane luck, got demolished in another, assumed that that would be the persisting trend i moved to sidboard games. 3 leyline of the voids is a HOUSE. With discard and a leyline you probably will demolish them postboard. I certainly did(even after mulling to 4 for the leyline)
this deck has a better late game than any other deck in the format except maybe urzatron(uwr midrange and i would imagine control as well eats it against us). I have no idea what you are talking about calling us a combo deck. We have a combo kill but that isnt nearly as important as getting their hand down to zero and wiping their board.
Maybe the extra point from borbygymos helps go a little faster but this deck is the grindiest thing ive seen(at least the normal assault version is) .
This is also to say that cutting smallpox feels completely wrong to me, dropping games to geist and boggles does not seem conducive to success.
Lingering souls strikes me as sex in a can for your build as well i hope you get a chance to test it.
I will test the borbygymos white brew when i get the chance and try to report back. I too am in love with this archetype and will report each time i get the chance.
So far i have been having a good time vs most decks i played, uwr, scapeshift, affinity, and while i was 50-50 preboard vs goblins postboard it's curtains for them. I have yet to find a truly atrocious matchup and am curious to hear if anyone has found one and if there is anything we can do vs it.
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couldnt get any borbygmos in trades yet but once i do ill be working on this one as well
it also really help dig deep which is generally important for this deck
also i have been running into problems with the non bloodghast version in closing out games. They certainly arent great but if i continue to have problems with deck like uwr i may consider putting them back in.
EDIT:blue bersions running desperate raving(my build) may want to consider trade routes That card is unreal albiet a bit slow
i know it synergizes with the deck
what im saying is that it is contrary to what the deck needs to be doing. On turn 3 you want to be very close to setting up the lock, not swinging with some 2/1 .
The deck might be a bit slow closing out games but once you have 6 cards in hand and they have zero closing out the game is elementary.
EDIT: i am sad to see the borbygmos deck fail, i will be trying to breathe life into it once i get the assault version to my liking. I just learned that vs a competent opponent UWR midrange is a tough match(if they time their geists appropriately you often just die). You can certainly win but it is a tad tough
i dont know why he hasnt dropped the bloodghasts like a bad habit
is it actually to reduce speculation or is it just to save space?
I have not heard or seen anything to corroborate this
https://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnline.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/whatshappening
Also I have no basis for comparison for horizon canopy number, my gut says three but it is just a gut feeling.
Anyways, what is your username on modo? I wanna look out for your results if you money
EDIT: Also a super experiemental idea for a white build would be a glittering wish package. almost certainly too cute but that card is definitely powerful.
With that said, cutting red seems awesome, I wanted a white build but couldnt bring myself to cut anything, but with the borbygmos brew cutting red feels so natural. With the move to a firm junk color build i am wondering how you missed an incredible gem HORIZON CANOPY!!! It supplies you with a much needed land way to draw cards and it goes certifiabley insane with loam.(draw loam of canopy, bring back canopy and two other lands, repeat in ongoing turns.) It isnt nearly as good as the cyclers but it is almost certainly a glorious fit for your deck.
Knight of the reliquary is another consideration, but is unlikely good enough.(although with canopy, ghost quarter, and manlands i can see it doing real work).
first off, i had a feeling living end would be bad but didnt want to speculate before testing. Im thinking we ought to just jam some graveyard hate of our own as a potential two of, our sideboards right now seem to be making already decent matchups better, i dont see any reason for doing that. For the particular weapon of choice im leaning towards nihil spellbomb. I will try to get living end testing where possible and report back.
Second, i realized halfway through writing that the lists were probably different enough that yours would play more like a combo deck, but i was on my ipad and didnt feel like editting it
third, im so glad you are willing to test lingering souls, i really have a hard time believing owen that they are bad. Ive read enough of reid duke's opinions on modern to know that not all pros know everything
fourth, im really excited to see your report.
Finally, im currently on jabberwocki's current list(the splash blue one) minus a blackleave cliffs and up a basic forest. I have no idea why on earth he wants to go dead to blood moon, but i certainly dont. I will be working on e sideboard in the upcoming weeks when more testing can occur. But the maindeck currently seems to be where i want it.
One last thing, badabing, have you considered running sideboard fatties to recur vs faster matchups? wurmcoil or elesh seem rather potent to me.
EDIT: Did you actually have a good matchup vs true badabing? it seems poor for the home team on paper which is why im wondering(maybe the borbygymos build changes that) Also for me UWR tempo seems like an autowin for us(or at least the creatureless build), did borbygymos feel like a liablity here or did you lose to something else?
Also why firespout over slagstorm?
EDIT2: Got some games in vs living end, won a preboard game off of insane luck, got demolished in another, assumed that that would be the persisting trend i moved to sidboard games. 3 leyline of the voids is a HOUSE. With discard and a leyline you probably will demolish them postboard. I certainly did(even after mulling to 4 for the leyline)
Maybe the extra point from borbygymos helps go a little faster but this deck is the grindiest thing ive seen(at least the normal assault version is) .
This is also to say that cutting smallpox feels completely wrong to me, dropping games to geist and boggles does not seem conducive to success.
Lingering souls strikes me as sex in a can for your build as well i hope you get a chance to test it.
I will test the borbygymos white brew when i get the chance and try to report back. I too am in love with this archetype and will report each time i get the chance.
So far i have been having a good time vs most decks i played, uwr, scapeshift, affinity, and while i was 50-50 preboard vs goblins postboard it's curtains for them. I have yet to find a truly atrocious matchup and am curious to hear if anyone has found one and if there is anything we can do vs it.