Playing some semi casual nonsense locally. The decks not fantastic or anything, but I'm winning way more often than I'm losing, which is more than I can usually say about what happens when I play UWR Flash.
Electrolyze will be better at dealing with planeswalkers now when the planeswalker-redirection rule gets changed. If there's two planeswalkers in play, we can now deal one damage to each of them, or one damage to a planeswalker + one damage to opponent.
Hey guys, longtime Legacy player here, decided to build a UWR deck now that JTMS got unbanned so I could play some Modern. Went 4-0 this weekend with this list I threw together.
Decided to go the Pyro route instead of hard control because I sold my Cryptics years ago when I stopped playing UWR Control, and honestly, with how tight the manabase is I don't even feel like I need them that much. Scepter synergyzes well with Pyro, especially now that the format has access to Opt. Don't have any of the newer cards like Search for Azcanta, although with JTMS I don't feel it's needed anyways. Suggestions welcome!
Hi, interesting take on the deck! How is it working? I've been messing around with Young Pyromancer + Jace lately too. In my experience it works best when I maximize the number of 1-drop instants and sorceries. I see you have 10, perhaps try to push it up a bit. Path is important and good with Peezy so I'd play 4. Sometimes it's even nice to have the option to path an elemental token to get a basic (like against Ponza or when manascrewed for other reasons) Did you consider some Serum Visions? It's stronger than Opt at digging for what you need (lands etc.) Scepter is spicy and can be very strong in the right matchups, but I'd be scared to play it maindeck because of all the Kolaghans Commands, Abrupt Decays, Maelstrom Pulses and other things around now. It's also a bit too slow and clunky sometimes (3 Jace might be enough clunk already) Perhaps move it to the sideboard.
I saw this interesting conversation between Brian Braun Duin and Shaheen Soorani where Brian says this:
"Jace isn't a control card
you have to play a deck that gets on board early
and then plays jace
jace is a midrange card"
Now, what does it look like, a midrange deck in jeskai colors that plays jace? What are the midrange creatures best fit to play with jace (besides snapcaster)? Geist is a traditional midrange creature, but isn't it too offensive to play with jace? Shouldn't it rather be defensive creatures that can protect jace against attackers?
Jeskai colors lacks beefy defenders like tarmogoyf/tasigur. The closest we got there is perhaps Blade Splicer or Wall of Omens. We do have access to some cards that can go wide, like Young Pyromancer and Secure the wastes that can defend or chump with tokens. Spell Queller has at least a 3 toughness butt, so it can defend against some weenies.
It looks like I may have come full circle back to my original Jeskai Flash brew.
I still love spell queller. By far my favorite card in modern. I have a weird strategy where I never cut it.... even vs decks with tons of removal. It's just too much of a fantastic tempo swing.
Did a competitve league tonight and went 4-1 loosing only to Eldrazi Tron.
Beat Dredge, BR hallow one, four color living end, and 8 rack.
How did you manage to beat dregde? I always felt Relic of Progenitus is not enough in that matchup and that I need Rest in Peace to really have a chance.
With an uptick of grindy decks with Jace, Bloodbraid Elf and Liliana of the Veil, Settle the Wreckage feels very strong. Very strong topdeck and it works with snapcaster in the lategame. Even at just 4 mana, 3 tokens at instant speed in their endstep is a strong play in many situations. And if you have time, you wait until it's a game ender. This deck often get to a high number of lands, and it's good to have a card that really can take advantage of that.
I have now sent this message to the mods, so let's see if something happens:
Can a moderator please move this thread to tier 1 where it belongs as soon as possible? The thread is dying, and is being overtaken by the "Jeskai Control"-thread, because it's wrongfully placed under "developing competitive ". Toroks
Sadly, pretty much all UWR discussions are being held in the Jeskai Control forum. Pretty frustrating, given that the Geist list is def a tempo/midrange list even though it's playing Cryptic Command.
Cryptic Command is not a "control"-specific card. It has been played in tempo, midrange, delver-decks (like RUG Delver), splinter Twin etc. through the history of modern. Vjeran Horvat has always been playing some number of cryptics in Jeskai Midrange, like when he won GP Prague 2014: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=6436&d=236995&f=MO
It's a great tempo-card, with the option to tap down blockers and swing with geist etc. and bounce problematic permanents before going for the win.
I didn't say that it wasn't. many people view Cryptic as a control card. My point was that the discussion was moved to the Jeskai control forum.
Why does it matter where it happens so long as it's happening?
You know we used to have a moderator that, as well as updating the tiers regularly, cared a lot about the order and structure in this forum and he would have gasped to statements like the one you just made. I think most people knew he did an important job here, but I would never have guessed things would go completely off rails like it has after he left...
These threads on mtgsalvation are more than just chat forums. They go many years back and are valuable and important documentation of the history and tradition of the archetypes of modern magic. And now the jeskai threads are falling into complete chaos because people don't seem to care about categorization anymore. People who want to discuss hard control with 4 snaps or 3 snaps/1 gearhulk are drowning in midrange talk...
It shouldn't be so hard to understand: This thread is about jeskai/UWR midrange with a reasonable amount of creatures, while the Jeskai/UWR Control forum is about hard control with snapcaster as the main creature. The decks with ~11 creatures that are doing well these days clearly belongs in the midrange thread.
And to people who come to the midrange thread and tell people to head to the incorrect thread instead: Please stop doing that, you're not helping.
Sadly, pretty much all UWR discussions are being held in the Jeskai Control forum. Pretty frustrating, given that the Geist list is def a tempo/midrange list even though it's playing Cryptic Command.
Cryptic Command is not a "control"-specific card. It has been played in tempo, midrange, delver-decks (like RUG Delver), splinter Twin etc. through the history of modern. Vjeran Horvat has always been playing some number of cryptics in Jeskai Midrange, like when he won GP Prague 2014: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=6436&d=236995&f=MO
It's a great tempo-card, with the option to tap down blockers and swing with geist etc. and bounce problematic permanents before going for the win.
Supreme Verdict can be a nice emergency out to have against creature heavy decks that either have a risk of going too wide for our point removal or too big/resilient for our bolts, like against Eldrazi,Death's Shadow, Affinity, Merfolk, Zoo, white weenie, elves and other Company-decks, Merfolk, BGx, Bogles, maybe Living end.
I'm more into dusk / dawn, engineered and staticaster in those lists, as they don't kill our creatures. I guess pyroclasm can work against swarm with queller's 3 toughness.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
Jeskai Tempo by Shota Takao - Grand Prix Hong Kong 2018, 3rd Place
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1331260#paper
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
Snapcasters are so broken that 4 is reccomended if you have them, but I'm sure you're already aware of that.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
Hi, interesting take on the deck!
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
"Jace isn't a control card
you have to play a deck that gets on board early
and then plays jace
jace is a midrange card"
Now, what does it look like, a midrange deck in jeskai colors that plays jace? What are the midrange creatures best fit to play with jace (besides snapcaster)? Geist is a traditional midrange creature, but isn't it too offensive to play with jace? Shouldn't it rather be defensive creatures that can protect jace against attackers?
Jeskai colors lacks beefy defenders like tarmogoyf/tasigur. The closest we got there is perhaps Blade Splicer or Wall of Omens. We do have access to some cards that can go wide, like Young Pyromancer and Secure the wastes that can defend or chump with tokens. Spell Queller has at least a 3 toughness butt, so it can defend against some weenies.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
How did you manage to beat dregde? I always felt Relic of Progenitus is not enough in that matchup and that I need Rest in Peace to really have a chance.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
4 Geist of Saint Traft
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Secure the Wastes
Other spells
4 Serum Visions
3 Cryptic Command
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
4 Opt
4 Path to Exile
4 Remand
1 Search for Azcanta
3 Arid Mesa
3 Celestial Colonnade
3 Flooded Strand
2 Hallowed Fountain
3 Island
1 Plains
3 Polluted Delta
1 Sacred Foundry
3 Steam Vents
1 Search for Azcanta
2 Dispel
2 Settle the Wreckage
4 Silence
2 Spell Pierce
4 Thing in the Ice
With an uptick of grindy decks with Jace, Bloodbraid Elf and Liliana of the Veil, Settle the Wreckage feels very strong. Very strong topdeck and it works with snapcaster in the lategame. Even at just 4 mana, 3 tokens at instant speed in their endstep is a strong play in many situations. And if you have time, you wait until it's a game ender. This deck often get to a high number of lands, and it's good to have a card that really can take advantage of that.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
You know we used to have a moderator that, as well as updating the tiers regularly, cared a lot about the order and structure in this forum and he would have gasped to statements like the one you just made. I think most people knew he did an important job here, but I would never have guessed things would go completely off rails like it has after he left...
These threads on mtgsalvation are more than just chat forums. They go many years back and are valuable and important documentation of the history and tradition of the archetypes of modern magic. And now the jeskai threads are falling into complete chaos because people don't seem to care about categorization anymore. People who want to discuss hard control with 4 snaps or 3 snaps/1 gearhulk are drowning in midrange talk...
It shouldn't be so hard to understand: This thread is about jeskai/UWR midrange with a reasonable amount of creatures, while the Jeskai/UWR Control forum is about hard control with snapcaster as the main creature. The decks with ~11 creatures that are doing well these days clearly belongs in the midrange thread.
And to people who come to the midrange thread and tell people to head to the incorrect thread instead: Please stop doing that, you're not helping.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
Cryptic Command is not a "control"-specific card. It has been played in tempo, midrange, delver-decks (like RUG Delver), splinter Twin etc. through the history of modern. Vjeran Horvat has always been playing some number of cryptics in Jeskai Midrange, like when he won GP Prague 2014: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=6436&d=236995&f=MO
It's a great tempo-card, with the option to tap down blockers and swing with geist etc. and bounce problematic permanents before going for the win.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW