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That's one of the main deck building constrains in this deck (I.e. being able to play from the graveyard). With life from the loam being an important engine, you have to be okay with business cards heading to the graveyard.

I don't know if you start playing cards like Mizzix's mastery because then you start going down another road. You have to ask yourself if you'd be okay milling any certain card in your deck before you include it.

However, between all the tutors and eternal witness+ sun titan + Volrath's stronghold, wouldn't you be okay without mastery. I'm not going to doubt the power of Mizzix's mastery (which I think is stronger than yawg win) but the application in this build seems questionable.

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That card looks awesome! It's going G to set us back, because we mostly just shuffle our Lands, but we get only 50% - 60% as many back in play. However, it will hose our opponents even more, as they will tend to get only 35% - 40% as many permanents back (and their lands have far less utility on average.

The card is good to get out of locks when Child can't do the job for some reason. It might also be good after a Child board wipe - we might draw a lot more cards than our opponents this way, and we won't be worrying about losing our enchantments or artifacts.

I'm bracing for a hard time making cuts - and we haven't even seen BFZ yet!

Exactly! After a board wipe, it can place Child back in the command zone and seriously set your opponent's back. Especially if you need to resolve a wipe to cast this card. It's like MLD for the deck! Especially if they rely on many mana rocks like Esper seems to do.

How are we getting Child back into the Command Zone here after a board wipe? Child dies -> Graveyard. The Great Aurora shuffles our permanents and hands back into library. The Graveyard is not affected by this spell, right? I think I must be missing something.

New tuck rule!

"Previously a Commander acted as normal if returned to its owner's hand or placed into his or her library (this act was known as tucking the Commander). This is no longer the case. Now, if a Commander would be returned to its owner's library or hand it can be moved to the Command Zone instead as a replacement effect. If moved to the Command Zone, the Commander Tax applies."

How is the commander being placed into the library? After a "Child wipe", Child of Alara is in the graveyard. The Great Aurora doesn't affect the graveyard at all. I understand the tuck rule and all, I'm just missing the part where there is a zone change from GY->Library. I'm sure I'll feel really dumb if there is something I'm missing here

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I'm having a really hard time paring down the list to 100 cards. If I could build a deck with just 99 lands, I would, but I know I have to have other cards if I want to actually play a game of Magic. There are several cards, mainly cute lands, that I'm running because they look extremely fun and I won't cut them even if they're awful. Arena, Halls of Mist, Prahv, and a few others fit into that category. What do you guys recommend cutting to get the list down? I have over 200 other cards I wanted to run that just didn't make the cut this far, but some of them may need to come back in. We'll see.

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Land (68) 1x Academy Ruins 1x Ancient Tomb 1x Arena 1x Azorius Guildgate 1x Blood Crypt 1x Bojuka Bog 1x Boros Guildgate 1x Breeding Pool 1x Cabal Coffers 1x Cavern of Souls 1x Dark Depths 1x Deserted Temple 1x Dimir Guildgate 1x Dust Bowl 1x Flagstones of Trokair 1x Forest 1x Godless Shrine 1x Golgari Guildgate 1x Grim Backwoods 1x Gruul Guildgate 1x Hallowed Fountain 1x Halls of Mist 1x High Market 1x Homeward Path 1x Ice Floe 1x Island 1x Island of Wak-Wak 1x Izzet Guildgate 1x Kessig Wolf Run 1x Kor Haven 1x Maze of Ith 1x Maze's End 1x Mikokoro, Center of the Sea 1x Minamo, School at Water's Edge 1x Miren, the Moaning Well 1x Mountain 1x Mystifying Maze 1x Orzhov Guildgate 1x Overgrown Tomb 1x Petrified Field 1x Phyrexian Tower 1x Plains 1x Prahv, Spires of Order 1x Rakdos Guildgate 1x Riftstone Portal 1x Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace 1x Rogue's Passage 1x Sacred Foundry 1x Selesnya Guildgate 1x Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep 1x Shizo, Death's Storehouse 1x Simic Guildgate 1x Slayers' Stronghold 1x Steam Vents 1x Stomping Ground 1x Strip Mine 1x Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion 1x Swamp 1x Temple Garden 1x The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale 1x Thespian's Stage 1x Tolaria West 1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth 1x Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle 1x Vesuva 1x Volrath's Stronghold 1x Watery Grave 1x Yavimaya Hollow	Sorcery (13) 1x Creeping Renaissance 1x Demonic Tutor 1x Life from the Loam 1x Reap and Sow 1x Scapeshift 1x Summer Bloom 1x Sylvan Scrying 1x Tempt with Discovery 1x The Great Aurora 1x Time Spiral 1x Treasure Hunt 1x Unexpected Results 1x Wargate Instant (6) 1x Ad Nauseam 1x Crop Rotation 1x Enlightened Tutor 1x Mystical Tutor 1x Realms Uncharted 1x Vampiric Tutor Enchantment (4) 1x Burgeoning 1x Exploration 1x Manabond 1x Trade Routes Creature (13) 1x Avacyn, Angel of Hope 1x Azusa, Lost but Seeking 1x Borborygmos Enraged 1x Child of Alara 1x Erebos, God of the Dead 1x Eternal Witness 1x Genesis 1x Knight of the Reliquary 1x Oracle of Mul Daya 1x Realm Seekers 1x Rune-Scarred Demon 1x Soul of New Phyrexia 1x Weathered Wayfarer	Artifact (4) 1x Amulet of Vigor 1x Chromatic Lantern 1x Crucible of Worlds 1x Expedition Map

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• Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion
  
• Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep

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So, I'm building this deck just to cast The Great Aurora a few times before it's banned (it probably won't be, but it does have that same Worldfire-esque feel to it).

That card looks awesome! It's going G to set us back, because we mostly just shuffle our Lands, but we get only 50% - 60% as many back in play. However, it will hose our opponents even more, as they will tend to get only 35% - 40% as many permanents back (and their lands have far less utility on average.

The card is good to get out of locks when Child can't do the job for some reason. It might also be good after a Child board wipe - we might draw a lot more cards than our opponents this way, and we won't be worrying about losing our enchantments or artifacts.

I'm bracing for a hard time making cuts - and we haven't even seen BFZ yet!

Exactly! After a board wipe, it can place Child back in the command zone and seriously set your opponent's back. Especially if you need to resolve a wipe to cast this card. It's like MLD for the deck! Especially if they rely on many mana rocks like Esper seems to do.

How are we getting Child back into the Command Zone here after a board wipe? Child dies -> Graveyard. The Great Aurora shuffles our permanents and hands back into library. The Graveyard is not affected by this spell, right? I think I must be missing something.

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So, I'm building this deck just to cast The Great Aurora a few times before it's banned (it probably won't be, but it does have that same Worldfire-esque feel to it).

That card looks awesome! It's going G to set us back, because we mostly just shuffle our Lands, but we get only 50% - 60% as many back in play. However, it will hose our opponents even more, as they will tend to get only 35% - 40% as many permanents back (and their lands have far less utility on average.

The card is good to get out of locks when Child can't do the job for some reason. It might also be good after a Child board wipe - we might draw a lot more cards than our opponents this way, and we won't be worrying about losing our enchantments or artifacts.

I'm bracing for a hard time making cuts - and we haven't even seen BFZ yet!

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So, I'm building this deck just to cast The Great Aurora a few times before it's banned (it probably won't be, but it does have that same Worldfire-esque feel to it).

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Holy lands, Batman! Did you guys see this?



I'll gladly tap out mid or late game for this! Gets around CIPT too.

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Please explain to me how this is a "fast" combo. I just don't see it.

This is not a fast combo deck, period. I think he means that this win condition can (often) finish the game quicker - or more abruptly -than our other win conditions.

Maze's End with Amulet Of Vigor and three or more land drops can yield the victory over relatively few turns. But the fastest way to assemble Gatetron is off a Scapeshift or Manabond (combined with Ad Nauseam or Creeping Renaissance). With these combos, other win-cons (like Stage/Depths or Inkmoth/Run will still require multiple turns to close out the game. Other win-cons are even slower, or require our opponents to be low on life already.

Personally I wouldn't dream of cutting Maze's End or Dark Depths. Either can win us a game we might otherwise have lost. Both fit the Lands theme very nicely, and neither of them take up too many slots - we run Thespian's Stage regardless, and we need to devote space to colour fixing.

Is your list posted in this thread? I'd be interested to look at it. Which win-cons do you run?

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I love this deck. There are so many way you can build it. I like the primer build of this deck. I run a bit different deck. I dont run maze's end combo. I feel it's a bit slow. I dont run dark depths either. I personal dont like it in big games. I feel you need just the right set up to clear a table with it. I need to post my deck list to see how different it is. My deck is more about land type. Shard Convergence and Burgeoning I found makes for a good start. To me this deck is very fun to play and win with. "I just want to play lands guys." when someone ask me what this deck does.

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Makes sense, I have one so I'm anxious to use it. Also, what about bazaar of baghdad? What would an ideal version of this deck look like if you had unlimited cash?

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Why is there no tabernacle in this build?

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I just started making a (cheaper on the landbase due to lack of duals and a few other money cards) version of this, dedicating more to the Seismic Assault wincon with ~70 lands, Manabonds, Treasure Hunt, and Creeping Renaissance. How well does this version of the deck work? It seems like, with the right opening hand, you can easily kill off one or more opponents, killing the last with Baby. Alternate wincons are Maze's End (later will splurge for Scapeshift), Worm Harvest, and Baby Voltron using lands to pump him like Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion.

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With the advent of more nonbasic land removal and the general acceptance of it as a strategy, this deck's best days may be behind it...

I'm afraid I am not following this. What new cards have I missed which punish nonbasics? Obviously they wouldn't have printed anything worse than Blood Moon, Back to Basics or Ruination! Have there been cards recently which somehow synergise well with these effects?

As for general acceptance, I would think this varies a lot from group to group. Mature and strategy oriented players will be more accepting of most any strategies, while newer, whinier, and/or more socially oriented players tend to be bothered by a lot of things and house ban or nerf certain cards or mechanics. I also figure that a lot of players like to run nonbasics themselves, and will shy away from or help to prevent such effects.

Titania looks playable. Me I use Sacred Ground, Skyshroud Blessing, and Teferi's Responseto protect my lands, and Crucible Of Worlds, Life From The Loam, and sometimes Petrified Field or Creeping Renaissance (preferably in conjunction with Manabond) to recur them.

Against effects like Blood Moon or Back to Basics, we need the likes of Chromatic Lantern or Riftstone Portal combined with a couple basics to get out our commander. rather than more basics, perhaps more (nonland)ways to search for them like Wayfarer's Bauble or Edge Of Autumn - cards you can cast with green or colourless mana.

For the most part, I think we have enough answers that more tutors can be enough to see us through some adversity. If your meta is very hard on nonbasics, the deck is rarely going to perform well - but that's nothing new I think.

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Just killed my friend with a Dryad Arbor and felt like stopping by to say hi.

So far, I've tested the scrylands, to minor success; realm seekers, to massive success; and aggressive mining, to no success at all (the downside doesn't effect too much, it just doesn't do much in comparison to the rest of the deck).

I will say, tower of the magistrate has really prove it's worth to the point that I question why it's not an edh staple. I think you should run it.

As for Khans, I think it's worth running phyrexia's core in parallel with Ugin's Nexus. I already run phyrexia's core with ring of three wishes, so not much change here.